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Si Papa Dessalines revenait que lui diriez-vous ?

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Message  Marc-Henry Mer 17 Oct 2007 - 7:59

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Imaginez-vous à la Citadelle du Cap avec Jean Jacques Dessalines qui vous raconte son odyssée dans l'armée des indigènes en 1803 à Saint Domingue. Que lui diriez-vous ?

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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Mer 17 Oct 2007 - 9:23

Se sel ayisyen vre mwen ta renmen chita sou yon tab ak li pou nou pran de kout rhum pou mwen di li ki jan mwen admire li.mwen tap ba li glwa ke asasen, engra Pont Rouge pat ba li .Men pou m di la verite mwen tap yon ti jan wont gade l nan je paske nou pa diy pou sa li te lite pou kite pou nou.

depi li finn mouri nou chita ap lite pou yon pouvwa san ke se pa janm enterè peyi ya ki gide nou.Menm lè nap pale de sa ki pa bon nan konstitutyon peyi ya se enterè personel ak enterè klan nou ke nou ap defann ,nanpren nou yonn ki vle mete enterè peyi ya devan enterè nou.Mwen ta mande papa Dessalines kote li te jwen kalite kouraj saa ki te permet li reyalise kalite gwo viktwa saa.Ki jan li te fè ayisyen ini yo pou yo te pote viktwa saa epi jodya jeneratyon ki la pa ka mete tet yo ansanb pou yo konbat la misè ,liyorans , maladi e tout pichon ki tonbe sou peyi ya.Mwen ta soupliye Dessalines pou li mete menm kouraj saa nan tet tout ayisyen pou yo di set ase an nou bouke imite sa lot moun fè an nou dirije peyi ya ak moyen pa nou ak lajan pa nou san nou pa beswen mande personn charite pou yo pa anpeche nou fè reform ki merite fet yo.Chak chen niche maleng li jan li konnen.Se pa pase tel remed bon pou yon malad e se menm remed la ki pou geri tout maladi .

Mwen ta mande li pou li fè ayisyen konprann ke yon ti 1/3 zile de 27750 km2 pa beswen divise an 10 depatman pou chak depatman genyyen 3 Senatè ak 9 depite pou nou blije ap mande charite tou tan pou nou pa janm fini fè elektyon pou nou ba parese job biro.nan tan modern saa ki jan fè yon katye de 2775 km2 ka yon depatman menm si li ta genyen 800000 moun ladann.

pou fini mwen ta bese byen ba devan li pou mwen di li ki jan mwen respekte li e admire li.
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Message  piporiko Mer 17 Oct 2007 - 11:06

Thank you Father Dessalines* by Felix Morisseau-Leroy


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Below is the famous Felix Morrisseau-Leroy poem "Mèsi Papa Desalin" -
"Thank you Father Desalin", both in the original Kreyol and translated
in English, honoring Haiti's great revolutionary hero, Jean Jacques
Dessalines.
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Thank you Father Dessalines* by Morisseau-Leroy

Thank you Dessalines,
Father Dessalines, thank you

When I realize who I am today
I say Thank you, Dessalines

Every time I hear a colonized Negro,
A Negro that is still captive of censorship
I say : Thank you, Father Dessalines
Only I, know what you mean to me
Thank you, Father Dessalines

If I am a whole human being today
I have to say : Thank you Father Dessalines

If I can open my eyes and look at my surroundings
It is thanks to you, Dessalines

If I walk with my head up high
It is thanks to you, Dessalines

Every time I look at another Negro
I say : Thank you Dessalines

When I look at what’s happening in the world
I say : Thank you, Dessalines

When I hear the White men’s voices
I say : Father Dessalines, thank you

When I hear my brothers and sisters
I say : Thank you, Father Dessalines

Only I, know, what you mean to me
Mighty Dessalines,
Dessalines, my blood,
Dessalines, apple of my eye
Dessalines, my womb

Only I know why
All Negroes must say
Thank you Dessalines,
You showed us the way
Thank you Dessalines
You are our guiding light

Dessalines,
You gave us the earth we walk on
The skies over our heads,
The trees, the rivers
The sea, the ponds, it is all you,
Dessalines, it is you who gave us the Sun
The Moon,
You gave us our brothers, our sisters
Our mothers, our fathers, our children

It is you who shaped us this way
Who thought us to be unique

We are not like other Negroes

When I look people straight in the eye
It is you who is looking at them, Dessalines

It is you who gives us water and who quenches our thirst
It is you who gives us food and satisfies our hunger
Thank you, Father Dessalines

And, it is you who gives us shelter
The earth we harvest

It is you who taught us to sing

It is you who taught us to say : NO

They say some Negroes say : yes, yes!
Other says: Yes, master !
You taught us to say : NO!

Dessalines taught all Negroes on earth how to say : NO
Thank you, Father Dessalines

Some Negroes try to explain
That today does not resemble yesterday
And that now,
Human fraternity,
Humanity, civilization,
All that is gibberish!

All I know is Dessalines!
I say : Thank you, dear father

You gave me life
My mother is your daughter
Young boys and young girls are your children
Thank you, Dessalines

My grandchildren are your children
King Dessalines, thank you

No need to mention our flag!
No need to evoke Archaie
And Gonaïves

We already mentioned it!
Who needs to hear it again?

October 17th requiem mass?
Who visits the cathedral?

The Minister’s speech?
Who will listen to it?

As far as I am concerned
I will say one word : thank you
Thank you Father Dessalines

Some do not know,
I must tell them
That without you we would not exist
Thank you, Father Dessalines

Let us finish with our Pater noster
Your Eminence, Dessalines is not dead

Stop speaking French, Minister
Dessalines will never die
Dessalines is amongst us
This man cannot die!

Dessalines is in my heart
Ready to fight

He’s watching

The day will come when Dessalines will rise
That day, everyone will know

We will know if Dessalines made
1804
Archaie
Crête-à-Pierrot
And Vertières
So our writers could write poetry
So our ministers could say speeches
So our priests could sing Te Deum
So Your Eminence could give absolution

Dessalines does not need absolution
All that Dessalines accomplished is respectable

One day Dessalines will rise
And shouts will come from the Caribbean sea
Asking : Where is he?
Dessalines took his weapons
Arrest him!
At that moment, we will hear his voice like thunder
At the signal: Decapitate them, burn their houses!
They will ask that he be arrested

Dessalines’ voice will already be on the air
Decapitate them, burn their houses!

In Harlem, Dessalines is putting the house in order
We will hear : Arrest him!

All the way to Dakar
All the way to Johannesburg
We will hear : where has Dessalines gone?
Decapitate them, burn their houses?
Dessalines does not need absolution
Dessalines does not need God’s forgiveness

On the contrary : Dessalines is God’s hand
Dessalines is God’s justice

He does not need Your Eminence’s Pater noster

Some men are requesting the White men’s excuses

Dessalines does not need these actions

For all Dessalines accomplished : Father Dessalines, thank you
For all he will do
I say : Thank you , Father Dessalines.

* Translated by Marie-Hélène Destiné
Source: Windowsonhaiti

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Mèsi papa Desalin

Papa Desalin, mèsi

Chak fwa m’ santi sa-m ye
M’ di mèsi, Desalin

Chak fwa m’ tande youn nèg koloni
Ki poko lib pale
M’di: Desalin, mèsi

Se mwen k’ konnen sa ou ye pou mwen
Mèsi, papa Desalin

Si m’ youn nonm
Se pou m’ di : mèsi, Desalin

Si m’ ouvè je-m gade
Se gras a ou, Desalin

Si m’ leve tèt mwen pou m’ mache
Se gras a ou, Desalin

Chak fwa m’ gade lòt nèg
M’ di mèsi, Desalin

Lè m’ wè sa k’ ap pase lòt kote
M’ di: mèsi, Desalin

Lè m’ tande kèk nèg parèy mwen pale
M’ di: mèsi, papa Desalin

Se mwen k’ konnen sa ou ye pou mwen
Towo Desalin
Desalin, san mwen
Desalin, de grenn je-m
Desalin, zantray mwen
Se mwen k’ konnen

Se pou tout nèg di:
Mèsi Desalin

Se ou k’ montre nou chimen nou
Mèsi Desalin

Se ou k’ limyè nou
Desalin

Se ou ki ban–n tè n’ ap pile a
Syèl ki sou tèt nou an
Pyebwa, larivyè
Lanmè, letan, se ou
Desalin, se ou k’ ban-n solèy
Ki ban-n lalin
Ou ki ban-n sè, frè-n
Manman, papa-n, pitit nou

Se ou ki fè-n youn jan youn mannyè
Nou pa kou tout nèg
Si m' gade tout mounn nan je
Se ou k’ ap gade yo, Desalin

Se ou ki ban-n dlo pou n’ bwè

Ou ki ban-n manje pou n’ manje
Mèsi, papa Desalin.

Epi, se ou ki ban-n kay pou n’rete
Ou ki ban-n kote pou n’ fè jaden

Se ou k’ montre-n chante

Ou k’ montre-n di: non

Yo di gan nèg ki di: wi,wi.
Gan nèg ki di: yèssè
Ou montre-n di: non

Desalin, montre tout nèg
Tout nèg sou latè di: non
Mèsi, papa Desalin

Gan nèg ki vle esplike:
“Tan jodi pa tan pase
E ke wi alèkile
La fraternité humaine
L’ humanité, la civilisation”
Tou sa, se franse

Mwen menm, se Desalin m’ konnen
M’ di: mèsi, papa-m

Se ou k’ fè-m
Manman-m se pitit ou
Tigason, tifi, se pitit ou tou
Mèsi, Desalin

Pitit-pitit mwen, se pitit ou
Wa Desalin, mèsi

M’ pa bezwen pale pou drapo a!
Pa bezwen pale pou Lakayè
Pou Gonayiv!
Yo di sa deja
E ki mounn k’ ap tande sa ankò?

Mès rekwiyèm 17 oktòb?
Ki mounn ki pral Katedral?

Diskou Minis?
Ki mounn k’ap koute sa?

Men, sa m’ di la a
Se youn sèl mo: mèsi
Mèsi Desalin papa-m

Gan mounn ki pa konnen
Fò m’ di yo
San ou nou pa ta la a
Mèsi, papa Desalin

Epi, fini ak Patè Nostè-w la a
Monseyè, Desalin pa mouri

Ase pale franse, Minis
Desalin pap janm mouri
Desalin la
Nèg sa a ta ka mouri!

Desalin nan kè-m
Lam-o-pye

Desalin ap veye
Youn jou Desalin va leve

Jou sa a, nou tout n’ a konnen
N’ a konnen si 1804
N’ a konnen si Lakayè
N’ a konnen si Lakrèt-a-Pyewo
N’ a konnen si Vètyè
Desalin te fè tou sa
Pou ti nèg ekri powèm
Pou Minis fè diskou
Pou pè chante Te Deoum
Pou Monseyè bay labsout

Desalin pa bezwen labsout
Tou sa Desalin fè bon

Youn jou Desalin va leve
W’ a tande nan tout lanmè Karayib
Y’ape rele kote-l
Desalin pran lèzam
Arete-l
Lè a, w’ a tande vwa-l kon loray
Tout nèg koupe tèt boule kay

W’ a tande nnan tout Lamerik
Y’ ape rele: rete-l

Vwa Desalin deja an radyo
Koupe tèt boule kay

Nan tout "Harlem" Desalin ap mete lòd
W’ a tande: bare Desalin

Jouk "Dakar"
Jouk "Johannesburg"
W’ a tande: kote Desalin pase?
Koupe tèt boule kay
Desalin pa bezwen labsout
Pa bezwen padon Bondye

Okontrè: Desalin se bra Bondye
Desalin, se jistis Bondye
Pa bezwen Patè Nostè Monseyè
Ni eskiz nèg yo vle mande blan a yo
Desalin pa bezwen

Pou tou sa l’ fè m’ di: papa Desalin, mèsi

Pou tou sa l’ pral fè
M’ di: mèsi, papa Desalin


* Tèks sa a ekri daprè òtograf lwa 18 sektanm 1979 la.
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Defile Manman "Chimè"?

Adye Bondye!
Nèg yo touye Dessalines.
Yo touye papa libète nou

yo wete inifòm Lanperè sou li
yo depatcha zepolèt li

yo rache dwèt men li
pou yo vòlò bag li.

Yo voye kout manchèt adwat,
kout manchèt agòch.

O graslamizèrikòd!

Men y ap trennen kadav Papa Nanchon an,
tankou yon vye sak ranyon,
yo lage li nan mitan lari Pòtoprens
pou moun anraje voye wòch sou li,
krache sou li, dezonore li.

O mezanmi gade yon krim san parèy!

Men kadav Lanperè blayi,
tankou kakas bèt ki mouri mò aksidan machin
sou gran chimen.

Depi gwo solèy midi,
kò li la l ap deperi.

Men solèy pral kouche
li la toujou,
nan mitan lari a.

Anfen !
Men yon Ayisyen ki sonje ki kalite san k ap koule nan venn li.

Men yon Ayisyen ki nan nòmal li.

Men yon fanm,
ansasen yo, dechoukè yo, anraje yo
pral konsidere kòm yon fanm fòl nan listwa.

Yon fanm ki gen fyèl
parèt demendepye
devan kadav Lanperè.

Li bese,
li ranmase sa ki ka ranmase

li benyen kò Papa Dessalines,
li beni li,
li kriye sou li.

Wi! mezanmi,
jou 17 oktòb 1806 sa a,
yon sèl Ayisyen ki pat pèdi bonnanj li,
yon fanm vanyan ki rele Defile
te monte nan tèt Mònatif
al antere Lanperè
Jean-Jacques Dessalines,
papa libète nou.

Mèsi Défilé,
daprèzavwa,
lè lamajorite te fin pèdi lòlòj yo,
oumenm sèl, ou te tèm
pou ou sove lonè Lanperè.

Jafrikayiti
Oktòb 2004

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"Men anpil chay pa lou" is Kreyol for - "Many hands make light a heavy load."


Dessalines Is Rising!!
Ayisyen: You Are Not Alone!













The Haitian Lawyers Leadership Network's Appeal for international support on the People of Haiti's right to
self-respect, self-determination and self-defense

We Haitian democracy activists have taken on ourselves a great task. The Haitian people have been robbed again, not only of the wealth of our country, and not only of the lives and livelihoods of our countrymen, but of our sense of self-determination.

The very essence of being Haitian is the connection to those freedom fighters of the revolution who would not lie down and obey the men who claimed to be their masters. Today, Haiti is being ruled by a regime that was selected by foreign powers. The legitimate officials are in exile, in hiding, or in captivity.

All around, voices are telling us to suffer this indignity, to give up on our quest for self-governance, that somehow we are unfit to choose our own leaders or our own style of governance.

We utterly reject this pattern of thought. It is the mental slavery from which Bob Marley calls us to emancipate ourselves. For the average Haitian "This Song of Freedom" is truly all we have ever had. And now they want to take that too.

It is with this sense of insistence and urgency that we set forth our grievances and define our terms for reconciliation in the Haitian Lawyers Leadership Haiti Resolution. We ask that all Haitian democracy activists circulate this resolution, and address the issues and demands of the resolution to their own governments, and to the United Nations, which has the responsibility for protecting the right of self-determination. But most of all, we ask all solidarity groups who wish to sincerely help Haitians, to not just send their appeals to the UN, the US-installed government, the coup d'etat governments or Haiti Democracy Project's Timothy M. Carney. You're better off telling your next door neighbor about what they are not seeing on the conventional media about Haiti then simply telling the UN, US, Candadian officials (et al) what they already know and wish to hide behind the headlines. Kindly send appeals and background info to the MEDIA. Flood the U.S. local, national and international media with your concerns about the abuse, occupation, genocide and re-enslavement of the people of Haiti.
http://www.margueritelaurent.com/contactinformation/local-national-media.html

Remember letters of appeals to the media is a start, but political action, economic boycott and systemic and consistent public censure/exposure are essentially what pro-democracy Haitians are asking from solidarity groups. Please also do this by supporting our 7 Men Anpil Chay Pa Lou campaigns and boycotts.


The Haitian Lawyers Leadership Haiti Resolution:

1. Demand the return of constitutional rule to Haiti by restoring all
elected officials of all parties to their offices throughout the
country until the end of their mandates and another election is held, as
mandated by Haiti's Constitution;

2. Condemn the killings, illegal imprisonment and confiscation of the
property of supporters of Haiti's constitutional government and insist
that Haiti's illegitimate "interim government" immediately cease its
persecution and put a stop to persecution by the thugs and murderers
from sectors in their police force, from the paramilitaries, gangs and former soldiers;

3. Insist on the immediate release of all political prisoners in
Haitian jails, including Prime Minister Yvon Neptune, Interior Minister Privert
and other constitutional government officials and folksinger-activist Sò
Anne;

4. Insist on the disarmament of the thugs, death squad leaders and
convicted human rights violators and their prosecution for all crimes committed during the attack on Haiti's elected government and support the rebuilding of Haiti's police force, ensuring that it excludes anyone who helped to overthrow the democratically elected government or who participated in other human rights violations;

5. Stop the indefinite detention and automatic repatriation of Haitian
refugees and immediately grant Temporary Protected Status to all
Haitian refugees presently in the United States until democracy is restored to Haiti; and

6. Support the calls by the OAS, CARICOM and the African Union for an
investigation into the circumstances of President Aristide's removal.
Support the enactment of Congresswoman Barbara Lee's T.R.U.T.H Act
which calls for U.S. Congressional investigation of the forcible removal of
the democratically elected President and government of Haiti.


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Message  piporiko Mer 17 Oct 2007 - 11:09

Kouwòn pou Defile by Michel Sanon, 2006

Defile, fanm vanyan
Fanm santiman
Fanm diyite…
Se pou bèl zanj nan paradi
Vide lwil pafen sou tèt ou.
Move lang sou latè
Kouri bri tèt ou te loke
Istoryen malpouwont
Pase non w nan rizib
Pou pitit-pitit Ayiti
Pa gen respè pou ou.
Yo pa janm chache konnen
Ki zèklè k te kale w
Konmkwa w te kèk sanmanman
Kochon te bay tete.

Defile, fanm santibon
Bèlte simbi ak kè bonbon
Lè nou mande
Kikote w te rete
Yo di nou: kay kraze
Nimewo-efase.
Achiv pa make dat
Pou Nèg Ginen sonje w
Pou tilezanj fete w
Nan tout jenerasyon
Fanm kalite tankou w...
Ala lapenn, manman!
Epoutan, ou te fèt
Ou viv, epi w mouri
Anplis, ou fè bon zèv
Depase moundebyen
Ki ekri liv istwa
Fè konnen w se moun fou
Paske konsyans yo nan fènwa.

Pou lonè w, Defile
Pawòl twòp pou pale.
Mwen trense you kouwòn
You bèl kouwòn pwezi
Ki pou fè moun sonje
Kisa, kilès ou ye
Chak fwa yo panse "diyite".
Defile, rèn tout rèn
Ou se solèy konsyans
Ou se manman tout Ayisyen
Ki viv ak nanm yo nan limyè.
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Message  gwotoro Mer 17 Oct 2007 - 20:55

Je lui dirais de vite retourne d'ou il sort avant de se faire assassiner a nouveau...

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Message  revelation Jeu 18 Oct 2007 - 10:40

Si Papa Dessalines ta tounen sou te peyi Dayiti anko mwen tap konplimante li pou kouraj li.
Pou lideship li deske li jwen mwayen mete tout moun sa yo ansam pou libere e bay Ayiti independans li.
Mesi anpil a li e a tout lot kamarad kombatan li yo.

Premye kestyon ke mwen tap poze Dessalines se ke:

1) Samble ke li te gen youn lideship solid lakay li. Ki mwayen ke li te itilize pou li mete e oganize:
tout neg bossale sa yo,
tout neg domestik sa yo, t
out neg kreyol sa yo,
tout afranchi sa yo,
tout milat sa yo
e tout lot blan abolisyonist sa yo ANSAM kot a kot pou batay e libere peyi Dayiti anba lesklavaj??

2) Eske "koupe tet boule kay" te nesese pou Ayiti te sa libere?

3) Si poul ta refe Revolisyon sa an anko, eske li tap anplwaye menm taktik "koupe tet boule kay" la anko?

4) Apre revolisyon an finn fet, li kouri devan tout lot general yo e deklare tet li Empere a vie.
Le fet ke li fe sa, li koupe zeb anba pye tout lot general yo e fok se ta mouri pou li ta mouri pou youn lot general fe youn kout pouvwa tou.
Eske li panse ke se pousa ke yo fe konplo e yo touye'l?

5) Apre ke li finn mouri, Petion ak Christophe separe peyi a an 2. Petion rete nan lwest e Sid li fome youn Repiblik kote tout moun kap gen chans vini youn jou prezidan.
Christophe menm rete nan Nord e deklare tet li Roi a vie menm jan avek W, Dessalines e avek pozisyon sa, li pa bay okenn moun youn chans egsepte si yo touye'l.
E finalman yo touye'l menm jan avek W.
Sanble ke neg Aysyen fe "Lunyon fe la fos" le pou Revolisyon fet e libere Ayiti. Min apre ke tout moun finn libere pa gen Lunyon anko, sak fe sa???

6) Pou kisa ke se lanmo li ke pep Ayisyen selebre, o lye de dat nesans li? Eske gen youn rezon pousa??

7) Apre 200 zan ke W e tout lot kamarad yo ba nou peyi sa lib e indepandan, anyen pa chanje pou le myo.
Nou chaje avek problem ekonomik, politik e sosyal.
Ki ere ke w panse ke nou fe etan ke pep e dirijan e ki jan w menm si w ta retounin sou te Dayiti anko kom dirijan ki sa ke w tap fe pou ba nou youn vi myo??

Map fe youn poze la poum koute W avek one e respe ke W merite.
Mesi anpil!!

Youn bon grenn Ayisyen
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