Forum Haiti : Des Idées et des Débats sur l'Avenir d'Haiti


Rejoignez le forum, c’est rapide et facile

Forum Haiti : Des Idées et des Débats sur l'Avenir d'Haiti
Forum Haiti : Des Idées et des Débats sur l'Avenir d'Haiti
Vous souhaitez réagir à ce message ? Créez un compte en quelques clics ou connectez-vous pour continuer.

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

5 participants

Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  OBSERVER KEEN Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 0:24

GOP Results
Republicans: McCain 40, Romney 36, Huckabee 18
Evangelicals: Huckabee 33, McCain 31, Romney 30
Conservatives: Romney 42, McCain 31, Huckabee 20
Those most concerned about:
Immigration: Romney 48, McCain 25, Huckabee 15
Economy: McCain 40, Romney 32, Huck 18
Iraq:
McCain 51, Romney 20, Huckabee 15
Democrats
Blacks: Obama 81, Clinton 17
Whites: Clinton 50, Obama 44
Hispanics: Clinton 62, Obama 36
White women: Clinton 57, Obama 45
Young whites: Obama 64, Clinton 35



tiiQuigoWriteAd(755778, 1290697, 600, 240, -1);

OBSERVER KEEN
Star
Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 966
Localisation : USA
Date d'inscription : 29/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle:

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 11:06

Although I was really surprised last night ,the game is not over yet.I tought by now Senateur Obama would have been K.O.Super Tuesday shows that he is a very serious candidate who can win his party nomination.

Now my question is this:Can Senator Obama win in November if Mac Cain chooses pasteur Huckebee as his running partner in the general election in November considering the popularity of the latter in the South?As one of the analysts said last night :"Will the nomination of Obama for the democratic party send the hispanics and the Asians in the Mac Cain's camp?I think this question is very important for the democrats.
Rodlam Sans Malice
Rodlam Sans Malice
Super Star
Super Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 11114
Localisation : USA
Loisirs : Lecture et Internet
Date d'inscription : 21/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle: Stock market

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  OBSERVER KEEN Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 11:50

look, missouri, new mexico, colorado, they are all swing-states. states that go republican or democrat in november. guess what, obama wins those.
not at all, the hispanics do not hate obama, they just love hillary more.
rembember, hillary has the advantage of name recognition. also hispanics watch a lot of latin tv where the coverage of obama is not that substantial.
we have won in hillary's backyard.
also, the giants parade alse affected the outcome in new jersey. young people tend to vote for obama, but many of them went to the parade in new york city. after partying and alcohol, many young people somehow did not show up to vote.

OBSERVER KEEN
Star
Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 966
Localisation : USA
Date d'inscription : 29/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle:

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  OBSERVER KEEN Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 11:53

obama does not have a hispanic problem, he has an older voter problem.

OBSERVER KEEN
Star
Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 966
Localisation : USA
Date d'inscription : 29/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle:

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  Marc-Henry Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 13:20

Quelqu'un m'a fait remarquer ce matin que Obama a gagné surtout les états conservateurs et se demande si les républicains ne sont-ils pas derriere tout cela ? Moi je n'y crois pas. Je n'ai pas peur de la peur de voir un combat entre MC Cain et Obama. N'oubliez pas ce que nous disait Nelson Mandela sur notre peur en tant que Black.

Obama doit suivre son destin...Yes we can !

_________________
Solidarité et Unité pour sauver Haiti
Marc-Henry
Marc-Henry
Administrateur

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 6350
Localisation : Canada
Opinion politique : Démocrate
Loisirs : Lecture et Internet
Date d'inscription : 20/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle: Lobbyiste

https://www.forumhaiti.com

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  OBSERVER KEEN Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 16:21

non, marc-henrie. dans les etats conservateurs, seulement les independents et les democrats enregistres peuvent participer dans les elections primaires democrates. et dans ce cas, tout complot est superflu. si les independents veulent un president republicain, tout ce qu'il a a faire dans les elections generales est de voter pour les republicains. alors, tout complot est innecessaire car les republicains et les independents n'ont pas besoin de se comploter pour avoir un president republicain dans la maison blanche. le vote independent et celui des republicains seraient suffisant pour gagner les elections generales. en conclusion, aucun complot d'entre eux est necessaire.
cet argument est fondamentalement invalid!!!!

OBSERVER KEEN
Star
Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 966
Localisation : USA
Date d'inscription : 29/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle:

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  Marc-Henry Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 16:26

Merci Keen

J'avais des reserves sur son questionnement. EN tout cas , tu m'as éclairé davantage.

Par ailleurs, c'est un lecteur du forum et je suis certain qu' il lira ta réponse.

_________________
Solidarité et Unité pour sauver Haiti
Marc-Henry
Marc-Henry
Administrateur

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 6350
Localisation : Canada
Opinion politique : Démocrate
Loisirs : Lecture et Internet
Date d'inscription : 20/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle: Lobbyiste

https://www.forumhaiti.com

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  Joel Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 21:59

j'avais mes doutes à propos d'Obama ,mais quand dans un état comme La Georgie ,un état du Sud profond ,40 % de l'Electorat Démocrate Blanc vote pour lui,alors quelque chose de remarquable est en train d'arriver.
Mème en Californie ,OBAMA avit remporté l'électorat "Blanc",Hillary avit gagné grace aux votes des Latinos et des Asiatiques

Joel
Super Star
Super Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 17750
Localisation : USA
Loisirs : Histoire
Date d'inscription : 24/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle: Le patriote

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  Invité Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 22:02

Friend --


I was writing a note to you about the state of the race after Super Tuesday when we got some startling news.

The Clinton campaign just announced that Hillary and Bill Clinton injected $5 million of their personal fortune into her campaign a few days ago.

This is a dramatic move, and a clear acknowledgement that our campaign has the momentum. We saw undeniable evidence of that last night as the results came in.

Barack Obama won the most states and the most delegates on February 5th.

We have gotten to this point thanks to an unprecedented outpouring of support from ordinary Americans.

To date, more than 650,000 people like you have taken ownership of this campaign, giving whatever they can afford.

The Clinton infusion of $5 million -- and there are reports it could end up being as much as $20 million -- will give them huge resources for the next set of primaries and caucuses.

Thanks to you, we have raised more than $3 million since the polls closed on February 5th. But we have no choice -- we must match their $5 million right now.

We're going to do it the right way, with small donations from people like you. It's never been more urgent that you make a donation of $25 right now:

https://donate.barackobama.com/results

Just two weeks ago we were behind by double-digits in many of the states that voted yesterday, but Barack won 13 states to 8 states for Hillary Clinton, with one state (New Mexico) still counting votes.

This is an enormous victory, and it's all thanks to you.

We won yesterday because thousands upon thousands of individual supporters canvassed their neighborhoods, talked to their neighbors and friends, and made phone calls to remind their fellow supporters to get out the vote.

And we accomplished all of this with a campaign funded by ordinary people giving only what they can afford.

Yesterday was proof that America is ready for change -- and that you are the force to make that change happen.

But there's still a long way to go before Barack becomes the Democratic nominee. In the next week alone, six more states will hold their primaries and caucuses.

We need to match this $5 million personal contribution from the Clintons immediately and put these resources to work in the states that will vote next.

Please make a donation of $25 now:

https://donate.barackobama.com/results
Here are some details about yesterday's historic victory. According to official results and exit polls:


  • Barack won 2-to-1 in traditionally conservative states where Democrats are hungry for a nominee who can change the map and
    help Democrats up and down the ticket win in November
  • Our winning coalition included Americans of every race, background, and gender -- including 64% of women in Georgia
  • We scored wins in every region of the country -- New England, the Mid-Atlantic, the South, the Midwest, the Rocky Mountain states, and the West
Now let's match this $5 million and take this campaign into the next stage.

Thank you,

David

David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America


while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! 177_donate

Invité
Invité


Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Mer 6 Fév 2008 - 23:42

keen

Il ne faut pas oublier qu'on peut changer de parti tout au cours de l'année avant les elections.Je ne dis pas qu'il existe un complot pour avancer la candidature du senateur Obama parce qu'il sera plus facile de vaincre en Novembre, mais comme l'autre participant je suis etonné de sa performance dans les etats rouges.Encore je réitère: rien ne prouve une complicité entre les republicains et les independents.

D'apres le nombre des delégués obtenus par chaque candidat il est possible que la nomination soit decidée durant la convention du parti ,car je ne vois pas comment ni Obama ni Hillary pourrait obtenir le nombre de delegues requis à la fin des elections primaires.Les etats du texas et de l'Ohio seront determinants la semaine prochaine.Au Texas il y autant de noirs que de mexicains ;alors on va voir qui gagnera cet etat.
Rodlam Sans Malice
Rodlam Sans Malice
Super Star
Super Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 11114
Localisation : USA
Loisirs : Lecture et Internet
Date d'inscription : 21/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle: Stock market

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  OBSERVER KEEN Jeu 7 Fév 2008 - 0:06

the people in red states that voted for obama are registered democrats and independents. there are democratic governors in red states too. would someone argue that when those governors won their own democratic primaries in their home states with solid support from independents that it was a republican conspiracy? the same rule for independents to vote in democratic primaries also applies to in-state elections. yet, these democratic governors are reelected in those red-states after having won their own party primaries with support from independents. these governors saw something in obama that they saw in themselves, that is the more you get to know obama, the more you will like him no matter your political ideology. so, they argue, with obama as the nominee, there will be plenty of time for people to get to know obama in swing states.
obama's appeal with republicans did not start in those states. during his senate run, many republican senators in the state senate in illinois supported him.
he has been successful in gathering bi-partisan support behind his bills.
he was the one that sponsored bills that required police-officers to videotape confessions. initially, police union in illinois resisted but after consultation, he convinced them that the videotape would protect both police officers and criminals. in fact, it convinced them that the new resolution would protect police-officers more because bad criminals will no longer be able to claim that their confessions were coerced in court and in the process potentially negate hard-police work. that law was adopted nationwide.
even from illinois, obama was making his mark nationally!!!


Dernière édition par le Jeu 7 Fév 2008 - 0:38, édité 1 fois

OBSERVER KEEN
Star
Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 966
Localisation : USA
Date d'inscription : 29/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle:

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  OBSERVER KEEN Jeu 7 Fév 2008 - 0:15

and for those that are arguing for a republican conspiracy. the argument does not hold. first of all, there has not been a noticeable switch of parties in those red states in the last two years. second of all, such a conspiracy is not necessary; for such tactics are not needed if independents are going to rally behind mccain. all they would have to do to win is to rally behind mccain with the republicans; third and last, such a conspiracy would be counterproductive. reliable conservative republicans are not that excited about mccain while blacks and young whites are very excited about obama. with substantial support among the young, blacks and white males, there will be enough time to create massive get-to-vote campaigns; so such a strategy in november would lead to the opposite result. given all these very rational arguments, such a conspiracy makes no sense.

OBSERVER KEEN
Star
Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 966
Localisation : USA
Date d'inscription : 29/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle:

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Jeu 7 Fév 2008 - 0:20

I always appreciate your arguments for choosing Obama ;you're the one who convinced me that he is worth my vote.No matter what happens in the primaries or in the general election in November I will not regret voting for him,although my vote was irrelevant in Florida.

What do you think of my concern of his electability if in November the republicans choose Senateur Mac Cain and pastor Huckebee as a team?I konoe you're very optimistic ,but it will not be easy for Senator Obama to win the general election in November if Mac Cain chooses Huckebee as his running partner.

The jews, asians and hispanics may choose to stay home.I do not wish it .but this is a possibility.
Rodlam Sans Malice
Rodlam Sans Malice
Super Star
Super Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 11114
Localisation : USA
Loisirs : Lecture et Internet
Date d'inscription : 21/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle: Stock market

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  OBSERVER KEEN Jeu 7 Fév 2008 - 0:55

hispanics do not hate obama. they simply love clinton more as a result of association. her husband is very popular among hispanics. also obama gets more than 30% of hispanic votes nationwide. jews and asians are not decisive voting blocs. even if jews stay away in new york, and asians in california, there will be enough liberals in both of these states to carry the torch. remember, mccain is no einsenhower or reagan.
also, some hispanics are begining to realize that one day, there will be a viable latino candidate, so staying home would not be good political tactics. eventhough there are more hispanics than blacks in america, hispanics are more diverse culturally and less spread geographically. so, a viable latino candidate would have to rely on black supports in the south and northeast to even be viable in the primaries.
and many smart hispanics are thinking along the same line. so, they would not do that for at least good self-interesred political reasons.
also, many whites rejecting the one-drop rule. more white grand-parents are now accepting their biracial grandchildren, so many whites may just look at obama as one of their own, at least partially.

also hispanics in texas are different from those of california. they are more native to texas than they are immigrants. texas does not have the ethnic friction that california has between black and hispanics. hispanics in texas share a more similar history with blacks. that is the reason that in both houston and dallas, blacks have been elected to office with solid support from hispanics.

OBSERVER KEEN
Star
Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 966
Localisation : USA
Date d'inscription : 29/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle:

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  alex jacques Jeu 7 Fév 2008 - 9:23

Il ne faut pas oublier qu'on peut changer de parti tout au cours de l'année avant les elections.Je ne dis pas qu'il existe un complot pour avancer la candidature du senateur Obama parce qu'il sera plus facile de vaincre en Novembre, mais comme l'autre participant je suis etonné de sa performance dans les etats rouges.Encore je réitère: rien ne prouve une complicité entre les republicains et les independents.
San Malis


Oui San Malice, on peut changer de parti mais combien de fois par annee?

Quelqu'un qui vote un parti aux primaires, peut il voter l'autre parti aux elections generales?
alex jacques
alex jacques
Star plus
Star plus

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 1118
Localisation : Haiti
Date d'inscription : 23/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle: Fou de son pays

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  Joel Jeu 7 Fév 2008 - 10:04

Il n'y a de restrictions que pendant les primaires.Aux élections générales il n'y en a aucune .
Si vous ètes enregistré vous pouvez voter pour n'importe quel candidat ,vous pouvez mème "write in" le nom de votre candidat.

Joel
Super Star
Super Star

Masculin
Nombre de messages : 17750
Localisation : USA
Loisirs : Histoire
Date d'inscription : 24/08/2006

Feuille de personnage
Jeu de rôle: Le patriote

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!! Empty Re: while clinton has a black problem, obama has no white problem!!!

Message  Contenu sponsorisé


Contenu sponsorisé


Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Revenir en haut


 
Permission de ce forum:
Vous ne pouvez pas répondre aux sujets dans ce forum