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Message  Jude Sam 26 Aoû 2006 - 10:03

Rappel du premier message :

Gwotoro a commencé un fil à ce sujet mais sans mettre l'article principal, que je publie ici. La source est une compagnie de sécurité internationale qui s'occupe de la protection de personnalité mais aussi de la formation d'armée. A priori les renseignements devraient être sérieux, mais certaines réactions de proches me poussent à penser le contraire.
Je souligne que le nom du rédacteur à l'air haitien.




KIDNAPPINGS: DOMINICAN REPUBLIC' ARMY POISED TO INVADE HAITI
By Leon François Cazeau, Chief, Political Analysis Division, Omega Military Consultant
Aug 14, 2006, 08:17





By Leon François Cazeau
Chief, Political Analysis Division
Omega Military Consultant


Port-au-Prince, Haiti (OMC). The Dominican Republic's military is preparing to launch raids throughout 6 key geographical and administrative departments of Haiti (West, Artibonite, Plateau Central, North, South, and Grand' Anse), in a bid to destroy the network of terrorist gangs responsible for a wave of kidnappings, that are seen as a threat to the national security of the Dominican Republic. Army units of the Dominican Republic would model their offensive in Haiti on the recent intervention of the Israeli army on the Israel-Lebanon border.

An international meeting was held by tele-conference on August 10, 2006, between London, Washington, Ottawa and Madrid, to evaluate the capabiilties and means of the Dominican military to mount an invasion of Haiti, and to decide on probable dates for such a military interventionm, between the end of the current year and spring of next year (2007). U.S. policy makers have not yet given a green light to this initiative, making it known that they would prefer a Haitian solution that involves the creation of a national anti-terrorist brigate (ATB) that would have the mission to put an end to the terrorist activities of the various underground and violent pro-Aristide para-military organiziations – cannibal and other kidnapping armies – that have replaced the regular units of the Haitian military (FAD'H) disbanded by the Lavalas regime. In this vein, Washington is hoping to see the formation of a new ministerial team, including a new Minister of Justice and Public Security, that would grant the fullest necessary powers to the ATB to act, with the support of MINUSTAH and the HNP.

The Dominicans want to see the effectiveness of the ATB as a new haitian anti-terrorist fighting unit, but feel ready to intervene should the new haitian military force fail to defeat the terrorists on their side of the island. To prove this point, the dominican army launched a vast military operation last week , that ended by mid-day with the arrest of over 3000 outlaws in their country, as a dress rehearsal meant to demonstrate their capabilities to take on the terrorists next door in Haiti. Because president Préval is widely perceived as incompetent by the dominicans, his government will not be forwarned or briefed on the timing of the dominican military intervention, as he is also seen as a friend of the terroritsts to whom he owes his victory at the recent presidential elections in his country. The dominicans are believed to be ready to act on the expected news that one or several of their 6 diplomats accreditated in Haiti, have been kidnapped by Haitian terrorists, as they claim to have been the case about 15 days ago with 25 of their citizens living in Haiti. It is noteworthy to mention that the relationship between the dominican Chief of Police (an army General), and his haitian counterpart (a low ranking former officer in the FAD'H, the haitian military) reflects the disequilibrium in rank.

At a time when Haitians experience a collective depression over the state of their country, an invation by the dominican army would be fairly easy. The U.N. forces in Haiti, largely symbolic, are not considered to be an obstacle. Several high ranking offices of the MINUSTHA are dominicans. Moreover, it is believed that, as was recently the case in Lebanon, U.N. offices in Haiti will be ransacked by furious Haitians, as the dominican militrary incursion in their country progresses. The U.N. force in Haiti is expected to refrain from confronting an advancing dominican military force, as they did in Lebanon, preferinng to convert themselves into boy scouts scurrying aid to the civilian population. The terrorists in Haiti are likened to the Hezbollah terrorist network in Lebanon. The dominicans intend to flush out the terrorists in Haiti, as a national security matter for their country and the entire island, and take charge of the administration of Haiti, as an occupying force. As the dominicans launch their military operations in Haiti, a complicit international community will grant them 2 months to achieve their objectives, before calling for a cease fire. Still, the dominican forces will be allowed an extra 3rd month to complete a major land offensive throghout most of Haiti. The presidents of the Dominican Republic and Haiti will then accept the terms of the cease fire, after what will amount to a massacre of Haitians by the dominican military forces.

In addition to simulated bombing raids being conducted by the dominican armed forces, hundreds if not thousands of army personnel, supported by artillery and air force units, have been deployed last Saturday, on the dominican side of the border with Haiti. High ranking leaders of the dominican armed forces have announced their intention to move these forces to occupy areas of the border considered to be dangerous and proned to massive illegal immigration by Haitians. They also expect to receive their orders to march into Haiti and flush out what they consider to be a Haitian Hezbollah, operating too close to their borders.

The Dominican Air Force plans to destroy all bridges linking different regions of Haiti, in a bid to isolate the different districts and local communes in the country. The capital city of Port-au-Prince will be pounded, along with regions extending from Kenscoff to Croix-des-Bouquets, villages of the Matheux zone, the Citadel in Cap-Haitien, and anihilate cities and villages of the South and Artibonite plains areas. Dominican marines will unleash a deluge of firepower on the shantytowns of Cité Soleil, Cité L'éternel, Jalousie, Lafossette and Comédie, before withdrawing to their staging area, near the border.

After 3 months of wholesale destruction in Haiti, the 15 members of the U.N. Security Council will oversee the implementation of a U.N. resolution (resolution 1791 or 1804), that will call for a complete cessation of all hostilities, obligating the underground armies of chimères to refrain from any attacks on dominican troops, and calling of the dominican republic to cease all offensive military operations against Haiti.

The government of the Dominican Republic will convene urgently to approve the U.N. resolution, although President Leonel Fernandez will have already given his nod. The Haitian government will approve the resolution unanymously, althoug Prime Minister Alexis will call for a new meeting of the U.N. Security Council, to spell out all aspects of the implementation of the resolution. The head of the Haitian underground terrorist army, Mr. Amaral Duclonas, will denounce what he will see as an unjust U.N. resolution, but will pledge to abide by the terms of the resolution.

The U.N. Security Council, and the Secretary of Staste of the United States, Ms. Condoleeza Rice, are trying to block the dominican initiative, knowing that it would not take more than a day to destroy Haiti almost totally, and that 3 months of offensive military operations by the dominicans will lead to an apocalyptic toll in the destruction of Haiti. If the interim U.N. forces in Lebanon (UNIFIL), increased from 2000 to 15000, with a stronger mandate, will be able to reconstruct Lebanon with massive financial support from the world's great powers, this will not be the case for Haiti. Which is why it is important for a new military force to take charge of counterterrorist activities in Haiti, as has been suggested by Mrs. Mirlande Manigat of the RDNP, or for a new anti-terrorist brigade (ATB) to be created, without delay, to confront and defeat the terrorist cells and other criminal gangs that are endangering the future of Haiti.
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Message  OBSERVER KEEN Sam 2 Sep 2006 - 16:56

se pa sa chomsky di, le fini tou se pasa michel degraff di ki ap anseye "strikti lingwistik" nan MIT.
se sa yon seri demoun ap di men san prev paske privilef sosyo-ekonomik yo depann de anomali lingwistik sa kote yo ka fe yon karye sou sa mwen rele "pretensyon intelektyel".
yo di kreyol pa gen gerontif, men nan pren yonn nan lang asiatik yo ki gen gerontif, eske japone yo pa fe quantum physik nan lang pa yo. enrishman lang lan ap fet en konse avek pwodiksyon litere--- se menm bagay la ki pase nan ka lang jemanik yo.
herodotus ki se yon historyen ak ethnolog romen te di ke tribi jemanik yo pa ka panse okin ide philozofik nan lang shyen sa.
men eske se pa menm lang sa ki bay gauss, kant, hengel e latriye.
gen selman 8 milyon moun ki pale finwa, men kom finwa yo pa parese mental, yo pa oblije depann de ote franse pou devlopman yo, yo pwodi nan finwa olye pou yo ta di pale finwa ou ekri finwa ap izole yo.
izolasyon pa soti nan lang nou pale, li soti nan mank de pwodiksyon kiltirel , teknolojik ak intelektyel.
konmanse ekri bon bagay pou we si moun pa pral tradwi sa ou ekri.
sou zafe lang lan pa striktire ase pou reponn ak demand cerebral konpleks, se radot, paske mwen we liv shimi ak physik an kreyol nan boston.
ban mwen ba ou yon istwa sou vi mwen:
le mwen te piti ayiti, mwen pat konn zero bare nan matematik, pou mwen se te etidye stilistk pake, kole de twa franz fransez byen lou tankou met zabelbok. pou mwen matematik se bagay neg sot.
monshe ou konenn ke mwen te gen talen matematik ke mwen pat jame rekonet sa?
ou konen se le mwen rive isit mwen pran yon klas matematik an kreyol ke mwen reyalize ke pa selman mwen renmen matematik, mwen gen kokinshenn talen ladann ni.
ou we si se te an kreyol mwen tap fe aritmetik tou piti, mwen tap gentan invante yon paket bagay deja paske apre klas kreyol sa, se pa de therorem mwen trouve pa yon lot fason.
nan omwen de dezan, mwen soti de yon moun kap fe 4 sou 10 pou aritmetik pou ale nan yon moun yo peye yon moun nan lekol la pou bay leson aljeb.
bagay sa fe mwen kriye shak le mwen panse de li, sa mwen panse konbyen ti moun ki gen bon lojik an ayiti men ki pa gen medyum lingwistik pou eksprime lojik yo.
ban mwen ba ou yon lot bagay ki pase nan yo sho ke bob lemoine tap fe nan radyo.
yo tap pale de zafe diri ke majistra te vole:
tout ap pale bel franse, men yonn pa vinn ak okin solisyon. gen yon granmoun ki rele nan bon kreyol, e men sa gran moun nan di:

"kom ayiti gen zafe gwo ponyet, si yo mete moun yo an ling pou bay manje,gwo ponyet yo pral vle pou yo pran devan, yo pral bat tipiti yo pou pran manje ya nan men yo"

*nan fraz sa yo, gran moun lan antisipe ki jan de pwoblem ki ka koze nan moyen tradisyonel ke responsab leta itilize pou bay sinistre.

" kom lekol piblik yo se plis pitit malere ki vinn ladan yo, eke pa gen plizye fanmi ki soti nan tout kwen ke malere rete, eke tou timoun sa yo ap nan klas duran yon bon bout tan, leta dwe separe manje ya nan ti shashe kote ke li distribiye yo bay elev nan lekol biblik yo. kom tisashe sa yo ka rantre nan valiz elev yo, gwoponyet deyo pap jame rekonet ke sete manje. rezilta seke tout fanmi malerez ki frekante lekol piblik yo ap manje pou omwen dejou"

sa se lokij ki marye ak bon intelijans ki antisipe, pran konesans nan reyalite sosyo-kiltirel la pou fe yon jeneralizasyon, itilize tout bagay sa yo pou pwopoze yon solisyon ki pratikal ak lojik.

sa fre mwen se ekzesis cerebral ki fet an kreyol, sa granmoun lan fe la gen yon paket similarite ak "metod syentifik la".
eske metod syentifik la paka aplike an kreyol?

depi yon lang ka eksprime konsep aritmetik yo, depi yon lang ka eksprime konsep "causalite" ki pran sekans tenporal an konsiderasyon, depi yon lang ka eksprime tout propriete fondamental aljeb yo, li ka devni yon lang pou yon sosyete ki baze sou teknoloji.
depi yon lang ka eksprime konsep lojik syllojistik yo, li ka yon lang yon sosyete save.

yon shen, se yon mamife,
gari se yon syen, eske li se yon mamife?
eske konklizyon lojik sa paka fet an kreyol?

lang lan manke vobile, men li pa manke strikti semantik pou fe pwose mantal ide abstre yo.
gen diferans ant yon lang ki defisyan nan vokabile ou ki defisyan nan lojik semantik moden.
se premye ya ki vre nan ka kreyol lan, men pwoblem sa se yon pwoblem ki ka elimine ak pwodiksyon litere lokal.
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Message  gwotoro Sam 2 Sep 2006 - 17:06

Messieurs,

Puisque le debat devie de son objet premier, je propose de continuer le debat sur la langue dans un post tout neuf.

Qu'en pensez-vous ?
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Message  Joel Sam 2 Sep 2006 - 17:54

Non Jude,
Sispann vini ak de konsèp ki perime,sitou sou zafè lang lan .
Sa w di sou zafè sa a ,se de bagay yo pa pale de yo ankò.
Mwen kwè ou tande pale de "middle school" nan New York,ki te fè pati de "edikasyon bileng".
Bagay sa a te tèlman remakab,ke Jounal Ameriken ,youn ladan yo Miami Herald ,te rapòte l.
Timoun ayisyen,ki pa t gen anpil tan Ozetazini,te aprann Syans nan Lang Kreyòl.
Timoun yo tèlman eksele ,ke anpil ladan yo pase Ekzamen Dantre nan Lekòl Espesyalize yo,tankou Bronx Sciences ak Stuyvesant.
E moun ki konnen ka di w ke Ekzamen Dantre sa a difisil anpil.
Pa genyen ABSOLIMAN,okenn rezon pou yo pa fè Kreyòl kòm lang Edikasyon.

Eh !Wi,yon lengwis tankou Noam Chomsky rekonèt sa ,mwen pa bezwen pale de lòt gwo lengwis renome ki gen menm opinyon an,paske yo rekonèt CHOMSKY kòm pi gran lengwwis nan mond lan!
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Message  OBSERVER KEEN Sam 2 Sep 2006 - 19:03

se sak fe gwotoro nou fe yon paket ere le nou kite tout ashiv ansyen forum lan pedi.
misye jude tap ka ale nan ashiv forum ansyen an kote li tap we yon eshanj sho ki te fet sou menm sije ant mwen , joel, ak marthe.
monshe, eske ou ka shashe mwayen pou retrouve ashiv sa yo.
gen bagay mwen ekri ke mwen pa pral pedi tan reekri anko ke mwen te ka itilize nan pwop koleksyon essay mwen mwen gen intensyon pibliye an kreyol.

men yon pwoblem: ban mwen yon konsep pou we si mwen paka exprime li an kreyol.
mwen pa pral tradi de angle manman koze ya, mwen pa tradwi vokabile ki poko genyen, men ide sentral la, map arive eksprime li an kreyol.

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