never in my life have i been so ashamed!

one who does not feel shame or guilt tends to have socio-pathological tendencies; and someone who does not feel shame with regard to Haiti at this point is incapable of really loving Haiti. how could you not feel shame if you cared? how could you walk around with your head high on the achievements of our ancestors alone while you have done nothing to improve on their sacrifice? how could you be proud while our children are eating dirt biscuit? how could be you be proud while you do not have one good university? how could you be proud of you while you have not achieved anything yourselves? i know that there is nothing for me to be proud of because i have not accomplished shit !!!!!
be shamed, and that shame may one day transform itself into activation energy and propel us to the moon!
be shamed, hide your face, beg forgiveness to our ancestors for making a fool out of their vision!!!!!

Fantastic

keen you are absolutely right.

revelation a écrit:Verite ou byen manti!
Sa depand de ki moun ki di'l e ki sa ke'l itilize pou sipote sa'l di a!
Sak manti pou youn, se youn verite pou youn lot se sak fe ke nap vire an ron kankou yon chien kap mode pis nan point ke'l.
Se esprit de partizaneri saa kap fet sou forum nan ki fe ke nou pedi nan sije saa.

We nou wont de sitiasyon sa ki rive Jamaik la! Nou gen fanmi nou ki nan ekip fooball Ayisyen sa ki pran leave of absense nan lekol pou vinn jwe e reprezante peyi yo. Yo pa konnen zafe cholera ni malaria, mem kom mamb ekip yap sibi e peye pou sa.

Papa yo ak manman yo, zanmi vwazin kite travay yo nan NY e vwayaje ak yo pou sipote yo. Memm manager l'hotel la vle mete Ayisyen viziter sa yo deyo tou akoz de swadizan maladi.
Tout sa a koz de move imaj ke peyi Dayiti nou gennyen.
E se nou tout malere kankou granneg kap peye sa.

Paske kelkeswa sitizenship e passpo etranje ke nou genyen deye poch nou, : "Born in Haiti" a ap toujou nan rekod nou.
M'pa jamb wont di ke se an Ayiti ke'm pran nessans, memm si blan pa vle kwe'm paske imaj negatif ke yo genyen de Ayiti fet pou chanje. Se nou ki ambassader peyi nou a l'etranje!

Wont, frape ko nou a te, fe koler, rele Anmmwee pap sifi!!

ki moun la ki di sa ap sifi?

There was a time when we were not ashamed to be haitian.I remember how proud I was as a 11 year old boy when President magloire came to Cap-haitien to commemorate the battle of Vertieres in 1951 or 1952.During the ceremony some Military officers reenacted the moment when Capois said:Les boulets sont de la poussière a la butte Charier."We were singing."Enfants de la meme patrie, marchons unis."We were so proud.We were poor ,of course ,but at that time we still have our dignity.

When did we begin to loose our dignity?Those who are defending the era of darkness in our history must answer this question.The dechoukaj didn't happen in a vacum.Yes we must fight to stop it.But when one reads the history of haiti one realizes the poor people of haiti don't have anything to do with this phenomenon.It is the so called "elite " which is reponsible for this shame that we're enduring today.These are the people that President Magloire called "Les eternels mecontents".They are the worms that must be destroyed for the country to regain its prestige.There must be a cultural revolution in haiti in order for the masses to be educated;received health care,food, housing,potable water, jobs,electricity, justice etc.

We must put our priorities in order.We must face our challenges.We must evaluate honestly our resources and plan to solve the most urgent needs of the people.We can not waste our money in paying a bunch of bureaucrats to imitate the political and administrative structures of other countries to satisfy a myth.What are our needs right now?The next government must allocate the resources of the country to solve the cholera epidemy by providing potable water to all haitians.It must provide housing for the people who are living in the refugee camps.It must control the birth rate in the country.It must educate the young people.when I said educate I don't mean to teach them just to read and write french or kreyol.It must invest in agriculture to provide enough food to the population.It must provide an income to every haitian who is able to work.Why in a country that has so much to be done there are so many unemployed people?The next government must answer this question.

it is time we concentrate on these problemes.It is futile to have all these ministers and they can not do anything.Our resources must be used to solve our problems not to pay a bunch of useless bureaucrates ,grand manjè.

Ashamed!!! Yes, but not to the extend you've suggested. We're ashamed of the so-called intelectual members of the society
who have intentionnaly led the country down this path. Those who do and should know better, who do not have a backbone. Those thieves who have raped our mothers and fathers and plundered the nation's coffer. Yet, we stand proud of the Haitian people who refuses to give up and give in. Endividi sa yo gen pou yo jwenn sa yo merite!!! Long live the spirit and the people of Haiti. The struggle continues. " As we are confident of the victory of good over evil"

Ed

We're ashamed of the so-called intelectual members of the society who have intentionnaly led the country down this path

This is a bit confusing when you called the haitian elite ''intellectual''. First of all, you have very few intellectuals in Haiti. The reason is that most haitian intellectuals are living outside Haiti. It is commonly accepted that the elite in Haiti is made up of intellectuals. But that is not true. This is simply misleading and is a clear misuse of language that is detrimental to the haitian people.. The elite, you are referring to is beyond no reasonable doubt educated.. that's it.

Second, if we can all agree that the aforementionned elite has ingested the nation wealth, they are not the only one. For a reason as yet unknown, the political elite has done severe damage to the country by creating for centuries political helter-skelter.. When looking at the facts, we need to bear in mind that, in this tragedy the US has played a major role in the crumbling of the haitian state. We are very focused on the elite, but when putting things into perspective, it is obvious that the fondamental cause of our misfortune is political commotion triggered by the greed for power.

Haitian polital demagogues have always been eating off in the economic elite plate. Consequently, I would blame these political leaders thirsty for power who always whyning all over the place to gain acknowledment from the same raptorial elite..Duvalier is the champion of this behaviour.

This is really a shared responsability between the US, the haitian elite and the negroes.

You missed some other culprits too ,and you know very well who they are.They gave the first blow that crippled the country;have the courage to tell the truth.I agree that there are no true intellectuals in haiti or there are very few; for intelectual has the word intelligence as its root.Considering the way haiti has been managed for the two centuries of its independance can one say there are really some intelligent people among the politicians?Very few.Dumarsais estime was an intelctual;paul magloire was an intelectual who understood the priorities of the country.But from 1957 to today this country has not been governed by intelligent people.

From time to time I read that the super Ministers of the Jean claude Duvalier government were la crème de la crème of the haitian intelligentsia.If that is the case then we better vote for Lady gaga.

I expect more from you .How can you affirm that the 100 years we spent paying the debt have no effect on our present conditions.Added to slavery this extortion must be viewed as the most important act in the underdevelopment of haiti.Is there anywhere in the world where ignorant people are prosperous?How could the haitian governments form the cadre necessary for the development of haiti when the money the haitians were paying to france prevents to build schools and universities in the country?

I am not minimizing the role of the so called haitian "elite"in the mismanagement of the economy .But one must also recognize the true causes of this poverty.It was in 1947 that we paid the last installment of that extortion.The GNP of the country could not augment because we didn't have any money to invest in the means of production in the meantime the population was increasing at a rate superior to the growth of the economy;therefore what do you expect?

if the next government doesn't control the birth rate I predict famine in haiti in the next ten years.

Le gros roseau a écrit:I expect more from you .How can you affirm that the 100 years we spent paying the debt have no effect on our present conditions.Added to slavery this extortion must be viewed as the most important act in the underdevelopment of haiti.Is there anywhere in the world where ignorant people are prosperous?How could the haitian governments form the cadre necessary for the development of haiti when the money the haitians were paying to france prevents to build schools and universities in the country?

I am not minimizing the role of the so called haitian "elite"in the mismanagement of the economy .But one must also recognize the true causes of this poverty.It was in 1947 that we paid the last installment of that extortion.The GNP of the country could not augment because we didn't have any money to invest in the means of production in the meantime the population was increasing at a rate superior to the growth of the economy;therefore what do you expect?

if the next government doesn't control the birth rate I predict famine in haiti in the next ten years.

Well... Germany was made the only responsible of World War I. They were charged with a giant debt that they paid entirely from the end of the end of the war until october 10 2010

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/international/europe/200912/02/01-927278-lallemagne-eponge-sa-dette-heritee-de-1914-18.php

What does that mean ?are you comparing Germany and haiti;a country founded by ignorant slaves who revolted against their oppressors who had prevented them to learn how to read during more than 2 centuries.To my knowledge the Germans are not ancient slaves;they have the means of production,the resources and the cadres to develop their country.

Les réparations ont finalement été annulées de fait avec le «moratoire Hoover» en 1932. Mais restait encore à l'Allemagne à rembourser les emprunts contractés pour leur paiement avant cette date.

Did they do the same thing for haiti?

....are you comparing Germany and haiti;a country founded by ignorant slaves who revolted against their oppressors who had prevented them to learn how to read during more than 2 centuries.

La verite des congos qui veulent continuer a defigurer notre histoire : Mensonges !Mensonges !Mensonges !

Haiti etait formee de ...et de ...

Elle n'a pas ete creee par des esclaves qui ne savaient ni lire ni ecrire ..Voici l'handicap intellectuel qui affecte les nouveaux partisans du panzouisme historique ....

Karl

Reading your comment I wonder if you are aware that the Germans are paying the State of Israel for the work performed by the jews in the concentration camps.The Italians are paying the libyans for the occupation of their country.Why haitians must forget about what you called the "indu"? a payment for the independance of their country that they won in the battle fields with their blood?

I am not blaming the french only;You know how I despise the so called haitian"elite".But a honest analysis of the causes of this inuhumane conditions in which the haitians are living can not ignore the effects of this obligation of the haitian government toward France which crippled the development of the country for more than a centrury added to the three centuries of slavery.Repeat these conditions anywhere in the world you will obtain the same results.

You said that the ignorance of the haitians are responsible for their conditions I agree ;but tell me how could they be scienstists, doctors, lawyers, engineers, entreprenors,bankers when the payments of the debt prevent them to build schools ,hospitals, roads,ports, airports,and all the infrastructures needed to develop the country?Granted that the haitians could have done a lot more if the thieves were not siphoning the treasury to send the money in foreign banks .If the so called elite were producing goods and services to increase the GNP of the country instead of concentrating in the import-export trade.If they keep their money in haitian banks where it could be used to create other economic activites.The percentage of haitians who can obtain a loan from a bank in haiti is so small that it doesn't worth mentionning.How a country can develop itself when 80% of its population are living with less than 2 dollars a day whereas a "chen janbe" a small meal costs more than 3 dollars?Yet the new slaves owners refuse to increse the minimum wage .When a government voted a law to increase it ;these countries which are exploiting this form of salvery prefer to destabilize the country with their fifth column.

Yes haitian politicians are to blame also for their thirst for power ,but the underdevelopment of haiti has many causes that we should be honest to discuss among ourselves.In the final analysis there will be no solution to our problems if we can not enunciate them clearly.Yes the main cause of our proverty is ignorance,but who really is responsible for this ignorance?Why after two centuries of independance there is still this high rate of illiteracy in the country?Why after 12 years of schooling our children do not have the skills necessary to earn a living?Some of them can not even speak or write the official languages of the country correctly.

again a digression!!!!!!! again a degeneration!!!!!
this thread was intended for people to express their shame and say what they are gonna do about it, not a history or political science lesson!

keen

I don't think my point of view is a disgression .To solve an equation you must be able to recognize the value of the variables.We are ashamed because haitians never had a true dialogue about the real causes of our proverty.Why are we so poor?This is the milion dollars question that we are tryng to solve.