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Jean Claude Duvalier gen tan refe tout koneksyon ke'l bezwen pou'l retounen Prezidan a vie anko!!
Si pep la vlè jistis fok se devan tribinal pou yo ta trennen'l e memm la anko avoka Duvalier yo tro fô, yap oblijè laguè'l!
Si yon moun bezwen fè jistis se montè yon komando ak gwo zam lou pou al dechoukè'l kotè'l ye la!!


En Haïti, c’est la Dolce Vita pour l’ancien Dictateur ‘Baby Doc’ Duvalier
By William Booth, Tuesday, January 17, 5:43 PM

PORT-AU-PRINCE, HAITI — For a once-notorious dictator facing charges of crimes against humanity, Jean-Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier is living a nice life here after his sudden return from exile a year ago.

Although technically under house arrest, the former “president for life” dines with his many admirers at the chic bistros of Petionville, where he can be found at Quartier Latin, having his poulet creole. His faltering health has improved enough for a little red wine.

His portrait, a very flattering one, is sold on the streets.
If money can be laundered, so can dictators. Duvalier was the commencement speaker last month at the law school in Gonaives, an appearance that the university’s president called “totally inconceivable.”
The students cheered.

Last week, Duvalier drove himself — with a police escort — to the government’s memorial ceremony to mark the second anniversary of Haiti’s cataclysmic earthquake. The audience, which included Haiti’s President Michel Martelly, his prime minister and former president Bill Clinton, rose to greet him.

Duvalier is back in Haiti, and it is very possible that he will never be tried for the crimes that his alleged victims and international human rights groups claim — forced disappearances, illegal detentions, intimidation, torture, and executions of journalists, activists, political opponents and others.

“I cannot believe my eyes,” said Boby Duval, who spent nine months in the mid-1970s in Fort Dimanche, one of three prisons known as “the triangle of death” during the long reign of the Duvalier family — father and son, Papa Doc and Baby Doc — and the Tontons Macoutes, their paramilitary enforcers and secret police.

Duval, a bear of a man who now runs a popular soccer academy for thousands of kids from the slums, entered the prison as a robust young athlete. He emerged weighing 100 pounds. “They didn’t kill you in Fort Dimanche,” he said. “They starved you to death. I watched people die of starvation. And you never knew, ‘When am I next?’ ”
Soon after Duvalier returned to Port-au-Prince in January 2011, after a 25-year exile in France, three cases were filed against him, alleging embezzlement of funds, human rights violations and crimes against humanity.

Although an older generation in Haiti recalls with a shudder the bad things that happened in the Duvalier years, many Haitians are nostalgic for the era, when the country was more prosperous, tourists were not afraid to come and Haiti was the world’s leading maker of baseballs.

More than 60 percent of the Haitian population is younger than 25, so they have no memory of Baby Doc’s reign, only stories of better days.

A life in power

Duvalier was a plump and pampered young man of 19 when he became “president for life” in 1971 after the death of his father, the far more ruthless Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier, who once worked as a physician.
The younger Duvalier and his then-wife, Michele Bennett, were famous for their luxurious lifestyle and shopping sprees. After the couple divorced in 1993, Duvalier endured a more modest exile, without the Ferrari or the mansion, living in a borrowed apartment, saying he was broke.

After months of delay in which three prosecutors came and went, his case is now before Judge Jean Carves, who has promised lawyers that he will soon rule on whether the matter will proceed to trial.
Duvalier’s supporters think not.

“He will be cleared of all charges. It is almost finished now; the judge is typing up the order to throw it all out,” said Duvalier’s attorney, Reynold Georges, who calls himself the Johnnie Cochran of Haiti, favors wide pinstripes, drives a cherry-red Mercedes and keeps an office decorated by painted nudes.

Georges said the events alleged — torture, disappearances — have exceeded the statute of limitations. “Plus, they have no proof of anything,” he said in an interview.

Asked whether the rumors are true that Duvalier, now 60, is planning a return to politics, Georges said, “If he decides to run for president, he will be eligible, and if he runs, he will win, and I will support him.”
“Was Jean-Claude Duvalier scary?” the lawyer asked. “Not Duvalier. But yes, the people around him, secret police, yes, some of them were very scary. But Jean-Claude is a nice guy, believe me.”

‘It is part of the past’
Reed Brody of the group Human Rights Watch said the statute of limitations does not apply in this case. “Haiti has ratified treaties that obligate it to investigate grave violations of human rights,” he said. “There are 30-year-old cases going forward in Cambodia, Chile, Argentina, Peru, Uruguay.”

Brody said that, in the cases of the disappeared, the crimes continue, since no one knows what happened to the victims.
Attorneys for the plaintiffs say that Duvalier should be held accountable for acts he either ordered or failed to stop, and that, as the commander in chief and supreme leader of Haiti, he was an accomplice to crimes committed by his government. They say Haiti must break with its history of impunity if true democracy is to flower.

“We have witnesses now from when my clients were beaten and tortured, witnesses who saw them being beaten and arrested, who saw what happened in the prisons,” said Mario Joseph, a lawyer who filed one of the cases.
But the lawyers pursuing Duvalier say that the international community, with the exception of Canada, has been mostly silent on the prosecution — and that the new government of Haiti is against it.
Asked about the Duvalier case, President Martelly told The Washington Post: “It is part of the past. We need to learn our lessons and move forward. “It is time to unite the country, show tolerance, show compassion, show love for everyone,” Martelly said, “to reconcile the factions that have been at war, because the war we’ve been having in Haiti is among us.”

Ties to a dictator
Martelly’s government includes many officials with ties to Duvalier’s government, including Prime Minister Garry Conille, whose father, Serge, served as minister of sports and youth for the dictatorship. But in Haiti’s tiny political class, many families have a connection to the Duvaliers. Before becoming prime minister, Conille served with Bill Clinton on the Interim Haiti Recovery Commission and worked as a development manager for the United Nations.
The U.S. ambassador to Haiti, Kenneth Merten, said the Duvalier case “is a matter for the Haitian courts and for the Haitian people who feel aggrieved.”

The Duvalier affair is also complicated by the recent return from exile of another former president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Duvalier’s supporters say that if he is dragged into court to answer for past sins, so too should Aristide.

Bernard Diederich, an authority on the Duvalier regime and the author of “Papa Doc & the Tontons Macoutes, said Duvalier “certainly should stand trial and let justice decide whether he is guilty of stealing hundreds of millions and for the killings during his reign, especially those who died in Fort Dimanche.”

“But as Haiti is the land of impunity,” Diederich said, “don’t expect justice.”
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Message  Le gros roseau Mar 17 Jan 2012 - 22:30

"Last week, Duvalier drove himself — with a police escort — to the government’s memorial ceremony to mark the second anniversary of Haiti’s cataclysmic earthquake. The audience, which included Haiti’s President Michel Martelly, his prime minister and former president Bill Clinton, rose to greet him."

se pa blag non sa Jean de la fontaine te di ya;"Selon que vous serez riche ou pauvre les jugements des cours vous rendront Blanc ou noir."
Bagay saa fem konprann ke JCD retounen an ayiti paske li te genyen fe vert gwo chabrak yo.se se p[a martelly ak Conille ki pral ka mete JCD nan prison.Jes saa montre kareman se li ki presidan an ayiti.Ala Bill Clinton bese ba papa.Gen lè se vre devan green back meriken pa fè back.

tourists were not afraid to come and Haiti was the world’s leading maker of baseballs.

Ki tourist ki te ale an ayiti plis sou Duvalier mioun ki kite sida pou ayisyen yo?Yon pep san memwa vre se yon pep ki ap toujou repete menm erè yo.JCD dwe ap ri ayisyen vre wi.

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Message  Marc H Mar 17 Jan 2012 - 23:01

Duvalier aurait du se taire mais il ne l'a pas fait . Comme dit le proverbe; le criminel revient toujours sur le lieu du crime.
Je pense que Duvalier est train de s'auto-détruire lui-même. Plus il prend le devant sur la scène politique haitienne , plus les organisations des droits humains comme Amnistie Internationale et autres auront le regard sur lui .
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Ou pa sonje sal te di an frans :Se politik selman li konn fè.Se yon pinez li ye se san moun selman li konn souse.

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Message  Joel Mer 18 Jan 2012 - 11:21

Nou pa bezwen dezespere.Nèg ki ap di w si yo bezwen pini JCD se ak yon kòmando.TOUT SE KAKARAT DÈYE BWAT.
Se mouri PINOCHET te vin mouri ,apre 15 zan diktati l ;pou l pa t manje prizon .E N AP DI ZÒT se ETAZINI KI TE FÈ PINOCHET FÈ KOUDETA e yo pa t ka sove l.

ANN AJANTIN MENM ,GEN YON JENERAL POUTCHIS KI RELE VIDELA ;MISYE GEN 86 ZAN ,SE KOUNYE AN MISYE AP MANJE PRIZON.

Nèg ki vle kontinye ap asosye DIVALYE ak ARISTIDE yo.Pa gen youn lan OGANIZASYON DWA MOUN ENTÈNASYONAL yo ki akize ARISTIDE de KRIM KONT LIMANITE.PA YOUN!

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Message  ainsi ne soit-il Mer 18 Jan 2012 - 12:18

Piga nou mal entèprete sa ki di ou sa ki ekri. M'pa konn si gen lót moun k'ap diskite sou fason ekspeditif pou yta debarase yo de JCD. Mwen pa janm met lan tèt a'm ke se yon bagay ki ka fèt an Ayiti, e yè e jodi a. Si parekzanpl mwen fè alizyon a jès yo te fè ak Somoza lan yon lót paj se jis pou montre ke Ayiti pa janm gen yon fós nasyonalis óganize e ekipe à tous les points de vue menm si lit la pa diferan de pa anpil lót peyi.

De tout fason, depi komansman syèkl ki sot pase a, pa janm gen yon mouvman de mass ki reyi an Ayiti, an parti a koz ke yo pa ekipe e sitou akoz de mank apui on seri de sektè la peyi a.

Politisyen Ayisyen à tous les niveaux, se yon ras vendus; lè yo te touye Charlemagne Péralte, gouvènman an plas la te fete a e pi tout moun te krye ke Ayiti libere kontr ènmi a. Se jan de kontradiksyon sa yo ke m'ap denonse, se degre inyorans ak lachte moun Ayiti an jeneral ke m'ap montre.

Kelke swa, konsekans ekonomik yo, se pa yon rezon pou moun bese do yo pran kou d'fwèt tout tan. M'pa tande lót koze k'ap di pou yo komando al pran JCD. Tout sa ki rive, sè ke mwen revolte itou ke JCD ap mache libr e ke li gen dwa lan peyi a plis ke moun li fin touye yo, mwen pa ka aksepte pou Aysieyn chita ap siye afron kotidyènman dpi fevrier 2004 lan main etranje ak bandi.

E pi menm si se pa't ide konsa ki te vin lan tèt a'm paske mwen ase reyalis e avize sou yon seri de kestyon, m'pa kontr nèg k'ap pense konsa. Se jis ke yo pa konprand ke Ayiti se yon peyi yo netralize nèt. Dènyèman, mwen tande yon komante kote yo nèg di pou yo ta met yon bal lan fron yon lót nèg (ke n'pa bezwen nome). Se jis yon reyaksyon toutafè nómal ki kay tout moun. Diferans la sè ke gen ki ekprime'l ouvètman e ki pa al reflechi sou lót bagay.

Eske gen yon moun ki vrèman anti-divalyeris ki pa janm pense yon fraksyon d'second pou ta fini ak sa yon kelkonk fason? Pa pale pou moun ki te viktim dirèk kè yo ap kreve lè yo wè imaj misye k'ap parade an Ayiti.

Mwen byen di tout póz sa yo JCD ap pran, li rete yon kaptif an Ayiti. Yo gen dwa ap bay'l fil pou rale'l paske lan lespri'm sa sanble itou a yon provokasyon pou teste lót nèg ki anba a. Lè tout moun byen gade, li pa posibl ke misye retounen konsa ap parade lan peyi kote yo deja kraze tonb papa'l. Sa montre ke misye pa yon être humain, misye pa moun. Li pa janm respekte moun Ayiti, li pa janm rekonèt gouvènman ki vin apre li yo.

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Message  Le gros roseau Mer 18 Jan 2012 - 12:30

genynen yon jwet denfliyans ki ap fet an ayiti.Fok nou pa bliye Ambassadè franseuuu ya te fè Konnen ke Duvalier se te yon sitoyen tankou nenpot sitoyen deklaratyon mesye lebret, ki jan li rele, te ambigue paske li pat di sitioyen ki peyi.Lè franseuu yo te di:" haiti aux haitiens"se te yon jan pou diminye enfliyans Bill clinton an ayiti.chak moun vle pran moso gato pa yo nan piyay la.e yo chak genyen pyon yo ou byen espyon yo ke yap pouse devan.se pep la selman ki ap toujou rete nan manje biskwit labou e bwè dlo kk nepalè jiskaske nou jwen yon lot Dessalines.ki pou fè yon lot koupe tet boule kay ankor pou libere nou de neo kolonyalisme lan.

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Message  revelation Jeu 19 Jan 2012 - 12:48

Mwen byen di tout póz sa yo JCD ap pran, li rete yon kaptif an Ayiti. Yo gen dwa ap bay'l fil pou rale'l paske lan lespri'm sa sanble itou a yon provokasyon pou teste lót nèg ki anba a. Lè tout moun byen gade, li pa posibl ke misye retounen konsa ap parade lan peyi kote yo deja kraze tonb papa'l. Sa montre ke misye pa yon être humain, misye pa moun. Li pa janm respekte moun Ayiti, li pa janm rekonèt gouvènman ki vin apre li yo.
Petet w ap fe allizyon a ansyen Prezidan Lavalas yo ki te gen monopole eleksyon ak pouvwa depi diktate aa te kraze rak.

An general sa w di la se vre. Men equip JC Duvalier yo ap pare pou fe domaj e viktim kolateral, e memm fe inosan peye pou koupab si la jistis ta konprand pou fout JC Duvalier nan prizon.
Jen jwet la malouk saa si yo trennen'l devan tribinal e si yo jwen li koupab e kondane'l, avoka'l yo pral rele anmwee pa gen jistis si yo pa rele lot neg ki anba yo tou.
Eske JC Duvalier ap kontinue koule la vie dous kou dous makos? Nou pa konnen repons la.

Neg ki anba yo ap mande si pou yo rete nan peyi saa ou byen si pou yo jete yo nan yon lot zonn nan Karayb la, ou byen kay vwazin St. Domingue. Sak fe ke mesye sa yo antre nan peyi a se paske yo tande ke gen yon $11 BILLION dolla rekonstriksyon pou yon period de 25 annee.
Gen lajan laa pou tout moun jwen.
Eske pep la ap jwen yon ti kichoy???

Se sak fe ke nou mande tout peyi donateur yo pou yo ralanti sou proje yo paske gen trop "apache" kap file kouto ak manchet yo pou vinn fe lajan sou do pep la.
Nou mande yo pou yo ouvri pot biwo d'ambochaj nan ambassad pou Ayisyen antre vinn travay lakay yo.
Gouvenman Ameriken Homeland Sekirite pral delivre viza H-1, ak H2 pou travay sasonye, gouvenman Brezil di nou yo dispoze bay papye travay legal a 100 ayisyen chak mwa!
Etat Floride di gen gran planter ki dispoze fe memm bagay la tou.

Fok nou di ke program sa se peyizan ki abitye fe "travay manual" ke yo aksepte. Professionel, etidyan, pa nan program saa!!

Donk, rekonstriksyon peyi aa se yon chandel progre e developmen kap limen nan 2 bout!
Granneg bo pa yo ap fe lajan, e malere bo pa yo tou pral gen opportinite fe lajan direk kay blan!

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Message  Joel Jeu 19 Jan 2012 - 18:34

[quote="revelation".

An general sa w di la se vre. Men equip JC Duvalier yo ap pare pou fe domaj e viktim kolateral, e memm fe inosan peye pou koupab si la jistis ta konprand pou fout JC Duvalier nan prizon.
Jen jwet la malouk saa si yo trennen'l devan tribinal e si yo jwen li koupab e kondane'l, avoka'l yo pral rele anmwee pa gen jistis si yo pa rele lot neg ki anba yo tou.
Eske JC Duvalier ap kontinue koule la vie dous kou dous makos? Nou pa konnen repons la.
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Mesye tanporize nou,mete dlo lan kleren nou.NOU PA GEN MONOPOL VYOLANS.Gade sa ki manke rive lan sa nou rele OPERASYON BAGDAD lan.
Se pa tout tan ya entèvni pou sove labapen nou.
Alòs si patizan JCD ta deside pou fè domaj ak viktim kolateral;lòt gwoup lan pa ka fè yo viktim ak domaj kolateral tou?
Mesye m ap repete l pou nou,mond lan chanje .Gade lan peyi ARAB yo ki gen LAME ak 2000 cha daso ,gade sa ki ap rive yo?

Se pa toutan ti magrit pot bon siwo non.TENEZ LE VOUS POUR DIT!

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Message  Thunder Jeu 19 Jan 2012 - 19:54

Krek ti bet!

Tout vyolans nou ka anjandre yo se sou inosan san zanm tankou sa nou te fe sou Chanmas lan 7 Mars 2004 le nou te masakre plis pase 10 moun san zam ki t ap fete pou depa diktate sangine nou an, ak Operasyon Bagdad yo. Men Ti Guy, Chamblain, Clinton, Apaid, Boulos, RAM... ak tout res grenn plen yo kanpe byen gwo byen gra nan figi nou pandan ke n ap touye Jacques Roche, Natacha, Maxime Deselmours, Marie Christine Jeune, Mireille Durocher Bertin, Jean Dominique....

2 ou 3 ti pickup gason fe tout chime lavalas fonn kou beurre. Epi w ap vinn pale de vyolans? Kont ki moun? Inosan san zam. Yon chime p ap pemet vini kanpe devan m pou kwakseswa.

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Message  Joel Jeu 19 Jan 2012 - 20:11

Ou fin deraye;byen se ak ou mwen t ap pale.
M ap repete l ;nou pa gen monopol vyolans.Koutinye ap konpare DIVALTE ak JBA.Nou t`tlman repeta sa ,nou vin kwè l;na gentan konnen!

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Message  Thunder Jeu 19 Jan 2012 - 20:34

Mesaj prive pou entel ou lot fet nan mesajeri prive.

Sa m di an se reyalite, se inosan san zam ke nou touye, pa t genyen yon rebel ki te tonbe an 2004, menm tet youn pa t kase ak yon kout woch, kounye a w ap vini pale de vyolans? Wi vyolans kote se inosan ke nou ka masakre.

Aprann sa, Titidism lan se yon imitasyon medyok de Duvalyerism lan. nou pa menm ka imite byen menm.
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Message  Marc H Jeu 19 Jan 2012 - 20:36

Thunder a écrit:Mesaj prive pou entel ou lot fet nan mesajeri prive.

Sa m di an se reyalite, se inosan san zam ke nou touye, pa t genyen yon rebel ki te tonbe an 2004, menm tet youn pa t kase ak yon kout woch, kounye a w ap vini pale de vyolans? Wi vyolans kote se inosan ke nou ka masakre.

Aprann sa, Titidism lan se yon imitasyon medyok de Duvalyerism lan. nou pa menm ka imite byen menm.

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Message  Thunder Jeu 19 Jan 2012 - 20:44

Mak a écrit:
Thunder a écrit:Mesaj prive pou entel ou lot fet nan mesajeri prive.

Sa m di an se reyalite, se inosan san zam ke nou touye, pa t genyen yon rebel ki te tonbe an 2004, menm tet youn pa t kase ak yon kout woch, kounye a w ap vini pale de vyolans? Wi vyolans kote se inosan ke nou ka masakre.

Aprann sa, Titidism lan se yon imitasyon medyok de Duvalyerism lan. nou pa menm ka imite byen menm.

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En 2004, Lavalas était la victime . Wou genlè blye

Menm jan ke blan Franse yo te viktim an 1803...
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Message  revelation Jeu 19 Jan 2012 - 22:42

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Jean Claude Duvalier fet pou vin’n prezante’l nan buwo Jij Carves Jean Vendredi à 11 : 05 di matin si se pa sa a 11 :10 Jij Jean ap voye arete’l.

Avoka Duvalier, Reynold George di nan telefonn ke se koulev ke’l ye li pa nan rans, ni nan jwet.

Li kontinye di ke zafe « rezideans surveye » pa exziste nan oken lwa nan peyi Dayiti.

Si jij Carves Jean ap kontinye voye monte san rezon, yap pote plent kont li e fe la « crye piblik » pase men prand’l.

Avoka George di ke Jij saa pa konprand e pa gen je pou we anyen, President JC Duvalier ap mache pran o chan e resevwa salitasyon presidansyel nan men diplomat, nan men Bill Clinton e memm nan men presidan Martelly e jij saa ap kontinye voye monte konsa.

Avoka JC Duvalier yo di ke pou zafe Group aktivist Human Right Watch yo te gen 25 an devan yo pou yo te arete Duvalier pou krim kont l’himanite le JC Duvalier tap viv an France. Li tro ta konnyen la tan finn passé. JC Duvalier nan peyi'l lap pi difisil pou Human Right Watch vinn dechouke'l.

Group human right yo di ke le se krim kont humanite e disparisyon moun pa gen zafe stati limitation ni li tro ta.

Yon krinimel yer, rete toujou yon kriminel jodya, e demen, e apre demen. Nap we si jij saa ap exzekite arestasyon saa.
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