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Privation des entreprises de l'Etat: positif ou negatif ?

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Message  gwotoro Mer 18 Avr 2007 - 23:55

Je viens de trouver un article de Haiti-Progres qui traite de la privatisation de la Minoterie d'Haiti.

Je vous invite a y reflechir et a nous faire part de vos opinions sur les privatisations d'entreprises etatiques.

Pour ma part, je suis tres oppose a la privatisation des entreprises d'Etat. Je reviendrai plus avec des commentaires plus detailles apres vos reactions.

Bonne lecture!


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Behind the sale of the flour mill

Haiti Progres, This Week in Haiti,
Vol. 15, no. 34, 12-18 November 1997


(HIB) In a process that appears to be on the edge of legality at best, the resigned Prime Minister this month signed a contract privatizing the first of the 33 state enterprises slated for the auction block in what was clearly a liquidation sale in the favor of foreign capital.

Although resigned for over four months, and despite the fact that the council which oversaw the deal is operating without some members or any law regulating it, on Oct. 14, Smarth, as practically his last act in office, signed away 70 percent of the state flour mill, the Minoterie d'Haiti, to two multi-billion- dollar transnational corporations.

According to the few details of the deal made public, the Haitian-American consortium - a novice Haitian finance group, Unifinance, and two mega-agribusinesses: Continental Grains, which did US$15 billion in sales last year and is into wheat, rice, chickens, finances and a host of other activities in over 50 countries, and Seabord Corporation, which has boats, flour, pork, chicken, etc, and did almost US$1.5 billion in business last year -got a great deal. There is no question who is running the consortium which gets the 70 percent in exchange for promising to invest US$9 million in the mill. (The state retains 30 percent.) Each of the three partners has US$3 million worth of shares, but already Unifinance has announced it plans to sell off $2 million worth. The consortium has promised to open the mill in nine months.

Coincidentally or not, this first privatization of Haiti's state companies went through only three days before US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's visit. The contract signing, replete with champagne, was festive, and, not surprisingly, although Albright was not there, the other patrons were, beaming. US Ambassador William Swing was in ecstasy, saying this was a good sign for American investors... it is very important for us that they come and install themselves in Haiti, while World Bank representative Carol Carr said it was an historic step.

We are delighted to see that everyone accepts this success and we hope that at the end of the month when the bids for the Cimenterie are opened, we can move forward! Carr extolled, adding that the process, overseen by the Conseil de modernisation des entreprises publiques (CMEP) was done in a very professional and transparent manner.

Smarth, even though he was chalking up points with his tutor for having rammed the sale through in the midst of contestation, was more muted.

For five years [the mill] was closed, there were no jobs, he said defensively. This government accepted its responsibilities, and we said we would not leave it like that. We don't have the capital, so we called capital to come and join with the state to make the enterprise work. To criticism, he said, bluntly: This economic program for the country cannot be avoided ... To stop would be suicidal.

Five days later, a job well done, he resigned and went home.

No transparency at all

The CMEP was created following parliamentary approval of the Law on the modernization of public enterprises (one of the two neoliberal laws) in the fall of 1996. It is supposed to be made up of the Prime Minister or his designate and two others appointed by the executive, and two more, one from the business sector and another the labor sector, both to be approved by the executive. Currently however, it has only the three executive members. It is headed by Minister of Planning Jean Erick Deryce. A second law which is supposed to regulate CMEP's actions has never been considered or approved by parliament. Currently, CMEP has a great deal of latitude to choose the form of privatization to do, on many of its actions, such as capitalization deals like the Minoterie contract, are not subject to any oversight or approval by parliament or any other government body.

Given that latitude, it is not surprising that, quite contrary to Carr's claim, there has been no transparency at all in the privatization process. In 1995, for example, it was announced that the International Finance Corporation (IFC), the most secretive of the three institutions that make up the World Bank, was doing a study of the first nine enterprises to be privatized. The study was paid for with a US$2 million grant from USAID. Since then, the US government has also openly funded, and probably more quietly been heavily involved in, other activities to move the process forward. However, neither the IFC study nor any other information on the estimated values of state assets has ever been published. Asked about the value of Minoterie this week, a CMEP employee said there were estimates made but refused to share them.

There is certain information that was deliberately not diffused so the offers would be more interesting, he said.

Despite the obscurity surrounding the deal, it is still possible to get a vague idea of the value of Minoterie. What literature and opinions that can be found indicate that the Haitian- American consortium was handed the mill on a platter. The Ft. Lauderdale Sun Sentinel said it appeared the companies got a good deal and a blessing bestowed by the Washington-based business lobbying group Caribbean-Latin American Action is another sign that foreign capital made out well.

More concretely, in the past Minoterie, the nation's only flour mill, has been a big money-maker. It also made a great deal of money by selling by-products for animal feed. The de facto government closed the plant soon after taking power, but certainly not because the plant was losing money. Col. Michel Francois was said to control the flour import business during the three-year coup d'Etat and supposedly regularly collected payments from merchants. (The regime also closed the cement factory and friends of the regime immediately cornered the market.)

According to a December, 1996 study by the Concertation pour Haiti of Quebec (a group of Canadian organizations), the mill can be up and running with only US $1.1 million of investment and US $2.3 million for modernization. Then, it is indisputable that the enterprise can be profitable, like it was in the year 1986- 1987 when it made profits of US $5.8 million, the study says. According to a 1992 Inter-American Development Bank report, it made almost US $4 million in 1990.

When the Jean-Bertrand Aristide administration took office in February 1991, Minoterie had been operating in the red due to poor management, corruption and overstaffing, but it, as well as other state enterprises, were soon making money from the state.

During the month of February [1991], Minoterie d'Haiti lost 2,761,230 gourdes. Since the new direction took charge in March, 1991, this operating deficit was brought to 162,635 gourdes the following month. Thanks to measures taken by the new direction... the results have lead to a net profit in May of 1,161,315 gourdes [US $165,000 at the time], brags a June 1991 report from the office of Prime Minister Rene Preval, who is today Lavalas' staunchest supporter of privatization.

The government intends to continue the objective of making all the state enterprises profitable, the Preval report continues. The state of financial health of these enterprises and their contribution to the treasury effects the public finances.

Very Contested Sale

When the contract was signed this month, the black-clad rapid response police team, the Compagnie d'Intervention pour le Maintien de l'Ordre (CIMO) immediately took over the factory, and have prevented workers from getting into their union offices. One reason might be because they have openly condemned the contract.

Our position on the deal is that it is a liquidation in the sense that, in relation to what Minoterie is worth, it is a gift, explained union member Wilfred Metellus. From 1969 to 1989, it gave the Haitian treasury 5 million gourdes every month; it made 100 million gourdes net every year. It has a housing complex [72 homes]. They did not even evaluate the value of the mills. There are 16 mills. Each one cost US $60,000. We just repaired four generators that give 4.1 megawatts of electricity.... We have a capacity to stock 32 tons of wheat... We have a wharf... If today they gave them the global price of US $9 million, that's a gift they gave them.

According to the union, Minoterie also has over 40 carreaux (about 52 hectares) of land, a sisal plant in Montrouis, and a factory for producing Akasan (a cornmeal drink) in Les Cayes. Real estate experts put the value of the land alone, located north of the capital near the Arcadins coast which has many beach clubs and a Club Med, at between US $2 million and US $3 million.

Another major critic of the contract is the recently formed Parliamentary Consultation Against Neoliberalism. Earlier this month it had said that President Preval supported an anti- neoliberal document it helped edit. It reacted strongly to the sale, condemning Preval and rejecting it as illegal.

That transaction was made to the detriment of the Haitian people, to the detriment of the country said Dep. Joseph Jasmin (Cap-Haitien PPL). The transaction took place outside of law that has not yet been born and that is supposed to organize CMEP... That law does not exist, so CMEP is acting in illegality. Also, the moribund government cannot engage the state.

We have a resigned government that has no legal responsibility before parliament. To whom is responsible? added Dep. Alix Germain (Abricots-KOREGA) We say that the act is an illegal act.

The parliamentary group said it plans to propose a law that would eliminate the CMEP altogether.

Is Flour the only thing cooking?

In the meantime, it is worth pondering why two of the biggest agribusinesses in the US wanted to get into Haiti. There is certainly money to be made in this captive market. Flour is an essential part of the Haitian diet, and with control of the agribusinesses in the US, the shipping, and the milling, Haiti's flour supply has become more of a monopoly than it ever was, only this time in the hands of two transnationals.

But that might not be all. Having Minoterie gives the transnationals a foot in a potential market of 7 million consumers for all the other products they produce, ship and market. In addition to rice, chicken, soy beans, shrimp, cotton, beans and other commodities, both of them are growing producers and exporters of pork, the most-consumed meat in the world and a quickly expanding new US food export, according to a 1966 article in the Kansas City Star. In 1995, for the first time in 44 years, the US became a pork exporter. The top ten producers (Continental is 12th) raised 23 million hogs that year.

Rural America is rapidly becoming the center of a global pork production business, boasted The Star. A Kansas producer Premium Standard Farms, added: The export opportunity is tremendous, virtually untapped.

The National Pork Producers Lobby in Washington, DC, is clear on the connection between the neoliberal policies being embraced by governments like the two Lavalas regimes, and pigs: The US pork industry may have been the single largest beneficiary of the trade agreements [NAFTA, GATT]. (The Kansas City Star, Nov. 6, 1996)

(Incidentally, mega-pork-producers have recently come under harsh criticism because their factories with their pig waste lagoons often pollute nearby waters. Continental has already been fined over US $268,000 for pollution and for ignoring regulations, and is now facing a lawsuit by Missouri citizens.)

What does all that mean for Haiti, where pork is one of the main meats consumed? Currently, some pork is imported and the rest comes from medium-sized as well as individual producers. (The peasants' kochon kreyol were killed off in the late 1980s' in a USAID-sponsored eradication program after an African Swine Fever outbreak.) Under the new, neoliberal tariff regime, there is nothing to protect local pork from mass-produced competition, and with a wharf, the boats and the space for a distribution center on Rte. 1, the corporations are now in a very good position to break into at least the pork if not other markets as well.

The privatization of Minoterie d'Haiti offers clear examples of who benefits and who loses from privatization: In this case, the people were robbed of a valuable state asset; the supply of a major food item will be in the hands of vertically integrated transnationals whose only motive is profit and who will have an objective monopoly, and, they are also poised to threaten the country's production of other food products by exposing them directly to the competition engendered by voracious and brutal international capitalism.


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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Jeu 19 Avr 2007 - 0:30

"The mill can be up and running with only U.S 1.1 million of investment and 2.3 million for modernization .Then it is indisputable that the entreprise can be profitable like in the year 1986-1987 when it made profits of 5.8 million dollars."

There are people who should be put in jail for this.That's all I have to say .It is too disgusting to even comment about it.
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Message  gwotoro Lun 23 Avr 2007 - 19:00

Dommage que ce debat ne suscite pas plus de reactions.

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Message  Sasaye Mar 24 Avr 2007 - 7:34

Il est clair que la privatisation des entreprises étatiques, dans les pays en développement, est la pierre angulaire de la politique néolibérale, cheval de bataille enfourché par les cavaliers de la globalisation.

Cette politique a marque le début de la fin du président Aristide et l'application de l'embargo mis en place pour punir son refus de se soumettre et qui finalement facilita son renversement.

Alors que la privatisation est possible et pratique dans les pays développés, elle l'est moins dans des pays comme Ayiti.

Pour initier et faire avancer l'économie dans ces derniers, il est nécessaire que l'état soit à l'avant-garde de l'investissement dans la production agricole et industrielle et dans la mise en place d'une infrastructure économique pour répondre aux besoins de la population.

Le sous-développement est une réalité qui touche tous les éléments d'une société, y compris les classes dirigeantes.
Un homme d'affaires issu de ces milieux n'est pas aussi dynamique et ambitieux que son équivalent des pays développés.
Il est à la hauteur du sous-développement de son pays.
Il pratique l'economie dite "bout chandel"

Donc, on ne peut s'attendre à des investissement majeurs de la part de notre élite économique, ni d'une gestion avancée ou moderne des compagnies et corporations nationales.

Si les connaissances et les moyens de l'état ne sont pas meilleures, il a au moins une vue globale des besoins du pays.

C'est le problème avec les ONG, à qui l'international alloue des fonds pour des projets, qui ne prennent pas en compte les besoins de toute la population, mais appliquent des bandages superfiels sur des plaies qui nécessitent parfois des interventions chirurgicales.

A la longue et seulement après le lancement et le rodage de certaines industries non essentielles on peut considerer une privatisation partielle, l'état gardant une part majoritaire dans les actions.

Il est dangereux d'imiter se qui se fait aux EU parceque leur économie, qui fut au niveau du notre au debut, a atteint un niveau de développement et une croissance qui leur permettent de privatiser effectivement, sans interruption de services.

Vus les antecédants de notre secteur privé, on ne peut leur confier le controle absolu de services essentiels pour la population, car leur mission est purement économique, sans aucun sens de responsabilité sociale.
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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Mar 24 Avr 2007 - 8:30

Mais la performance de l'etat haitien n'est pas aussi meritoire .Oui le secteur prive n'est pas assez dynamique;il n'a pas ce sens de responsabilite sociale ,comme vous le dites. pour lui confier le controle absolu des services essentiels ;cette condamnation est aussi applicable a l'etat incapble de satisfaire les besoins de la population à cause de la delinquance de nos dirigeants.Dès lors doit-on perpetuer ce marasme ,cette degringolade de la production nationale en comptant seulement sur les entreprises etatiques?Ou faut-il faciliter l'emergence d'une nouvelle classe d'hommes d'affaires plus dynamiques ,plus pragmatiques et plus soucieux du bien-etre de la popualtion?

je comprends vos inquietudes ,mais les resultats de la performance etatique prouvent la necessite d'avoir une economie mixte en haiti,sinon on trebuchera jusqu'a la fin.


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Message  mabouya Mar 15 Mai 2007 - 16:11

bonjour
J'habite en martinique depuis 6 ans et je vois la dégradation de l'éducation nationale : les enseignants sont freinés par un pouvoir qui appuie des deux pieds sur le frein des finances. Petit à petit, malgré des efforts des enseignants, la suppression de nombreux postes indispensables pour donner à nos enfants une éducation pour qu'il vivent plus tard dans une terre de plus en plus propre et où on pourra vivre ensemble autrement dans une fraternité véritable.
A partir de ce concept, vital pour toute l'humanité, il est urgent de freiner la privatisation des secteurs du domaine public (EDF laposte etc).
j'ajoute que faire payer les élèves pour leur apprendre à devenir les citoyens libres d'une terre propre, et cela avant de s'assurer que tout le monde peut avec son travail vivre et envoyer ses enfants dans une école gratuite, beaucoup de familles et là je pense spécialement aux familles haîtiennes qui trop souvent sont dans la misère, on est loin de cet objectif vital pour l'humanité.
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Message  Marc-Henry Mar 15 Mai 2007 - 22:08

Bon retour mon ami Maboula, il y a longtemps que vous n'avez pas visité le forum. EN tout cas, j'espère vous lire plus souvent. Donnez-nous les nouvelles de la france et surtout de la martinique. merci de votre collaboration.

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Message  Thunder Mer 16 Mai 2007 - 1:39

Mèsye,

Privatizasyon-an se yon sijè ki mande anpil refleksyon ak prekosyon, li genyen bon kote'l, men konsa tou li genyen movèz kote'l. Mwen rekonèt ke leta se yon move jesyonè, men, ak pri pwodwi sa-a ki pwal monte tèt nèg, eske se pa sèlman yon ti pousantaj trè ba nan popilasyon-an ki pwal ka peye yo le "luxe" pou genyen kouran, pa ekzanp, lakay yo ?

Eske leta ap kapab fixe pri yo ? ...si wi...eske li ap nan avantaj aksyonè yo ? Paske se tout envestisè ki dèyè pwofi, ba bay tèt nou manti. nan gwo fredi ivè Con Edison p'ap regrèt vini koupe gaz ak kouran si'w paka peye.

Dapre mwen nou nan yon gwo dilenm.

1) privatize antrepriz leta yo, epi lavi tout malerèz pwal pi di. Paske pri bezwen primè-yo pwal monte bwa.

2) pa privatize yo, epi antrepriz leta yo ap toujou defisitè, y'ap toujou bay move sèvis, lajan ke leta te ka envesti nan edikasyon, swen sante elatriye... pwal oblije toujou ap kouvri pou defisi enòm melanje ak koripsyon.

Tout kou tout kou, se malerèz k'ap peye sa.
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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Mer 16 Mai 2007 - 7:09

Thunder

Ou di nan gwo fredi Con Edison pap ezite koupe limyè moun ki pa peye bordero elektrik yo se vre men tou fok ou sonje ke nan leta new York genyen welfare .genyen koupon pou vyeya ka peye bill kouran yo ;Nan pwojek yo kote malere rete moun yo pa peye ni pou gas ni pou elektrisite yo peye otorite ki responsab site sa yo yon sel montan ni pou gas,ni pou kouran ni pou aptman kote yo rete yo ,Con edison mete yon sel mitè gas pou tout aptaman yo e yon sel kontè pou kouran tou konsa se biro ki an chaj kay yo ki peye Con Edison se sak fè moun pov sa yo pa beswen vole kouran pase yo peye pou tout bagay sa yo selon moyen yo.Wi genyen kek moun ki konn nan move moman ,men leta la pou soulaje moun sayo. Con edison menm ankouraje bay moun ki nan beswen ki jan pou yo jwen ed sa yo.gouvenman an pa yon gouvenman iresponsab ki pa panse a so malere non ki ap achte machinn pou depite epi ba diplomat initil bonus tandis ke moun pa genyen kay pou yo domi , lekol pou pitit yo, lopital pou yo jwen swen...Con Edison te geyen preske 20 000 anploye lè mwen rantre nan konpayi jodya se a penn si genyen 10000 ak teknoloji ki modernise konpayi ya ki fè kilowat/hour pa koute pi chè.An ayiti non selman ou pa genyen bon servis men tou EDH vinn yon chaj pou leta o lye li se yon faktè devlopman paske li pa bay servis ke li te kreye poul bay la.Eske nan kondityon saa li fè sans pou nou rete ak yon bagay ki pa ka reponn a beswen peyi ya?

mwen pa di pou yo privatize tout servis publik yo non; men menm jan nou genyen digitel pou telefonn nou ka genyen konpayi elektrik prive tou.Epi tou Con Edison pa ka ogmante pri elektrisite nenpot ki lè lide l di l non jan w di ya.Genyewn yon Komisyon piblik ki etidye ,evalye tout demand dogmantatyon pri kouran nan New York ke Con Edison fè.Se pou sa lè moun ki pa konnen Eta Zuni vre di se yon peyi kapitalis kote kapital se bon dye se pa vre non.Tout bagay sou kontwol wi.Public service Commission nan New York konn pa akode demand ni Con Edison ni Konpayi telefonn ni konpayi dlo yo.Daye yo limite pwofi ke konpayi sa yo ka fè.

mwen kont privatisatyon si se pou bay etranje ki ap bay Presidan poubwa vinn pran yo a vil pri ,men privatisatyon an ka fet yon jan pou se ayisyen ki benefysye ak leta tou.Si privatisatyon yon pati nan entrepriz leta yo ka rann yo pli konpetitf e pi byen jere pou bay servis ke pep la e peyi ya beswen pou li devlope e byen mon chè mwen pou li net al kole pase pale de devlopman san elektrisite se yon rev je klè.Nou tout konnen ke depi Duvalier natyonalise konpayi elektrik an ayiti se depi lè saa nou komanse genyen pwoblem black- out nan peyi ya.Alo se pou nou rann nou kont ke natyonalise tout servis piblik yo pa non pli solutyon ke nou panse ya.
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Message  Thunder Mer 16 Mai 2007 - 19:30

Sans Malice,

Mwen konprann tou sa ke wou ekri la-yo, men an nou pale zye nan zye, tankou zanmi Marc-Henry renmen di a.

Zèv charitab conEdison nan Etazini pa posib nan yon peyi kote 80% popilasyon-an paka peye kouran, eske wou wè ka'w ak yon biznis kote 80% kliyan paka peye'w ? Eske wou ka fè zèv ak 80% nan kliyantèl wou ?

Se pa kont mwen kont privatizasyon lòt biznis ke leta ap jere, men mwen panse, anvan nou privatize pwodwi ki endispansab yo tankou pa ekzanp elektrisite ak dlo, fòk pousantaj povrete-a t'a diminye nan sosyete nou an, fòk nivo devi malerèz ta yon tijan pli elve, fòk pouvwa dacha yo ogmante.

Menm pou konpayi l'ap difisil, kijan yo pwal fè kenbe yon pri ki rezonab pandan ke pwodwi w'ap vann nan, se yon ti pwèlyèm moun ki ka achte'l. Wou pwal monte bòdwo yo tèt nèg ? E si wou ta monte'l kote ke sèvis yon dèlko vinn pi bon mache ? kisa wou panse k'ap rive ?

Fòk wou pa gade kouran 24/24 pou moun ki ka peye yo sèlman, fok wou gade retonbe pou sa ki pap ka peye yo tou. Oubyen petèt eske wou panse ke leta ta dwe sibvansyone 80 % an ? oubyen tarif yo ap diferan pou 2 pati yo ?
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Message  mabouya Jeu 17 Mai 2007 - 21:47

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Sa pa fasil ba mwen pou palé asou pwoblem pèp ayisyen sèl bagay mwen konnet: konben moun ayisyen ni asé lajan pou genyen kouran? Poutji an lo fanmi pa ka vréyé yich yo adan lékol? poutji adan fanmi papa epi manman pa ka palé fwansé bien, kidonk yich yo rivé lékol (lè fanmi ka opozé yich yo alé lékol pas yo pa ni lajan asé) yich tala pa ka sav di yonndé fraz. Ki sa yo yo té pé fè, lè tout liv lékol té matjé adan fwansé?
Mwen mandé zot: mwen tann (mwen pa sa ki koté) kréyol ayizyen sè lang nasyonal? 'epi fwansé? Si sa vrè, mwen ka di wè!!!! mwen ni lespérans
privatisasyon, mwen sa kouman adan matnik epi fwans , grotjap ka chaché genyen lajan an pil, yo sanfouté si pèp maléré . Yo ka mété lajan yo adan bank, yo di " entrepriz leta sè lajan an lè kabann, i ka domi. Kité nou prann lajan-tala, nou kay genyen lajan epi nou kay kité-y adan bank.
Lè lékol pa ka kouté an lo lajan, leta pa ka genyen , lenpo pèp ka sévi ba lékol. Lenpo moun ki maléré sé an ti bren lajan yo ka ba leta. Grotjap ka viv pou genyen lajan.
Nou ni adan matnik gouvenman dwat. Sarkozi épi chirak sé chapo blan epi blan chapo. chirak té ka za fè an lo "netoyaj"
adan métlékol, organizm ki té ka enden zélev adan batmanman, atjolman pa ni pyés moun pou fè sa!!!!!
grotjap rivé i di " épi nou sa kay maché" pitét yo kay privatizé lékol épi yo kay rimet metlekol, moun pou enden zélèv epikisasyésa. Léta pa ka ba lajan asé pou genyen sa ki fo pou fè an bon travay. Epi nou sa kay maché di grotjap?! Sè grotjap yo ka déyè Sarkozi épi chirak, pa blyé sa!!!!!

latè ki ko ta nou, kouman i kay yé adan yonndé lanné? Ki moun ki sav? Atjolman fok ba yich nou édikasyon pou yo pé viv asou an tè net prop adan an gran fanmi lézonm.
Mwen pa lé moun payé lékol . Sé an lanmen ka lavé lot, padavré, sé lajan pèp lenpo . Plis maléré ou yé, plis lenpo'w
piti.

Sè pousa, adan fwans, mwen ka lité kont privatizasyon lantrepris leta.

mabouya
eskizé mwen ba kréyol mwen, men mwen sonjé forum adan kréyola, fok mwen sayé matjé kréyola.

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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Jeu 17 Mai 2007 - 23:42

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ki jan konpayi elektrik te fè fonktyone an ayiti anvan ke Duvalier te natyonalize yo?mwen se moun o kap lakay grann mwen pat genyen elekrtrisite men nou pat janm panse a volè kouran.3/4 moun o kap se te pov men nanpren moun ki te konn volè kouran.Lè ou genyen yon peyi kote moun pa respekte lwa e byen nanpren anyen ki ka mache byen nan peyi saa.

mwen dako ak ou fok gouvenman an demele tankou met jan jak pou li mete travay pou ayisyen fè pou majorite moun nan peyi ya genyen yon apwentman ki pou fè yo viv.Moun ki pa genyen ase lajan pou yo peye loyer ,elektrisite ,telefonn,dlo e byen leta ka ba yo ed.Li ta mye vre si servis esantyel ta rete nan men leta men eksperyans ke nou fè pandan 50 lane ki sot pase yo montre ke leta pa ka jere servis yo byen.Ke w pran camep ,edh, telefonn tout an defisi e yo pa ka bay pep la servis.ke li beswen .Ou tande ke lektrisite pa ka bay limyè epi yo di w ke Direktè jenro yo se gwo 4X4 ki koute 75000 dola yap kouri epi se pa yon sel ki genyen nan la kou konpayi elektrik la.Kote nan yon konpayi prive skandal konsa ta ka fet san ke aktyonè yo pa ta rele anmwe.

pa genyen sechress an ayiti epi kamep pa ka bay moun dlo nan peyi ya.mezanmi dim sa nou vle pwoblem se nan leta ke li ye.genyen moun ki dim dlo pi chè an ayiti pase tout kote nan karayib la poukisa se fè yo fè dlo a an ayiti?

mwen pa pale de zev charitab kon edison non.Mwen di ke gouvenman an ede vieya ki pa kapab peye bodro yo peyi yo. nan pwojek yo moun yo pa peye elektrisite se leta ki peye gas ak lektrisite ak dlo, chak lokatè ki nan pwojek yo peye housing authority chak mwa epi otorite sa yo peye Con Edison.

fok leta komanse bati ti bilding ak plisyè apatman modern pou malere rete an ayiti.o lye yap bati yon gwoup ti kay tankou sa mwen wè yo te bati nan site lesko o cap ou byen nan kabarè konsa ya jwen moyen ba moun yo servis ke w yo beswen.
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Message  Thunder Sam 19 Mai 2007 - 1:13

Sans Malice ekri :

ki jan konpayi elektrik te fè fonktyone an ayiti anvan ke Duvalier te natyonalize yo?mwen se moun o kap lakay grann mwen pat genyen elekrtrisite men nou pat janm panse a volè kouran.3/4 moun o kap se te pov men nanpren moun ki te konn volè kouran.Lè ou genyen yon peyi kote moun pa respekte lwa e byen nanpren anyen ki ka mache byen nan peyi saa.

Sans Malice, mwen dakò ak wou sou zafè respekte lalwa-a, men se ki dans ke gouvènman ki ta koupe kouran nan tout katye ki paka peye yo t'ap danse ? Nan Site Soleil pa ekzanp wou ka konte sou dwèt wou konbyen bòdwo elektrik ki peye nan zònn sa-a.









fok leta komanse bati ti bilding ak plisyè apatman modern pou malere rete an ayiti.o lye yap bati yon gwoup ti kay tankou sa mwen wè yo te bati nan site lesko o cap ou byen nan kabarè konsa ya jwen moyen ba moun yo servis ke w yo beswen.

Mwen panse li ta pi bon si leta ta ede yo ede tèt yo, mete lekol teknik, aprann yo sèvi ak men yo e ak tèt yo pou yo viv, ba yo mikro kredi ak yon to rezonab elatriye...mete yo nan yon apatman modèn pap chanje anyen, paske yo pa fouti manje panno kay-la. Mwen gen dwa konprann pou vyeya ak moun ki enfim. Men nou pap chache kreye nonplis yon jenerasyon parazit ki pou al ralanti avansman peyi-a pli pase jan li ye-a.

Fòk nou aprann yo ke leta paka bay yo yon pwason chak jou, men li ka ede yo jwenn yon kanapèch ak yon ti kannòt.

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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Sam 19 Mai 2007 - 7:23

mwen pa di pou leta mete yo nan apatman san yo pap travay non.ou konnen ke mwen toujou di fok leta mete lekol vokatyonel tout kote nan peyi pou ayisyen genyen yon metye ki pou pemet yo viv.Mwen menm panse ke sa pi nesesè pou moman saa ke kerey anpil lot universite byen ke universite yo enpotan tou. men kan nou konsidere moun ki iletre nan peyi ya moun sa yo pap janm ka ale nan universite koulyè ya. an nou montre yo li ak ekri ,fè ti kakil primè yo epi ba yo yon metye.

men tou fok nou modernise peyi ya ,zafè yon paket moun ap domi nan yon ti chanb kay kote yo blije ap volè kouran paske yo pa genyen yon salè fok nou chache rezoud pwoblem chomaj la nan peyi ya.Si se yon ti bilding e byen edh a mete yon sel kontè konsa se leta ki a peye bodro elektrik pou pwojek(site) sa yo.Non selman EDH ap vinn rantab men tou nap redwi konsomatyon elektrik la pase ap genyen mwens kanberlann.Lè yon moun pa peye pou yon bagay li genyen tandans gaspiye li.

Ayiti se pa de pwoblem ki pou rezoud anvan ke peyi ya fonktyone byen.se sa ki pafwa dekourajan lè yon nom konsidere kantite pwoblem sa yo epi ou jwen yon kalite moun ki swa disan la pou regle yo epi yo pito ap roule machinn ke mouche Preval nan yon moman foli te achte pou yo epi yo pa presante la chanb lan pou yo fè travay ki merite fet .
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