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Message  Sasaye Jeu 27 Mai 2010 - 23:56

Men kestyon Magaret Loran alias Ezili Danto ap mande Nouyok Tayms sou zafe envestigasyon masak prizonye Okay yo.


Since this past Sunday, I've been reading articles about the slaughter of
prisoners in Le Cayes, Haiti.

"According to an investigation in The Times by Deborah Sontag and Walt
Bogdanich, a dozen or more prisoners were killed and up to 40 were wounded
after police stormed the prison to put down a riot." (Escape Attempt Led to
Killings of Unarmed Inmates
By DEBORAH SONTAG and WALT BOGDANICH |New York Times | May 22, 2010
http://nyti.ms/c7e9WF )

Songtag and Bogdanich report that their New York Times investigation casts
doubt on the official version of events and instead indicates that Haitian
authorities shot unarmed prisoners and then sought to cover it up.

Ms. Songtag and Bogdanich and now a May 25th Editorial recommends that UN,
USAID and the Haitian government investigate. The Songtag/Bogdanich article dug up an old UN/USAID mouthpiece and retainer, Bill O'Neil, and fettered their
rank obfuscation called "reporting" thus:

“After many years of dictatorship, there was no independent police force and
no independent judiciary, and the prisons were hellholes,” said William G.
O’Neill, director of the Conflict Prevention and Peace Forum at the Social
Science Research Council. “The goal was to create institutions that would
respect human rights and allow the rule of law to flourish.”

There indeed should be a full investigation and the killers of these prisoners
brought to justice. HLLN supports the New York Times in this call.

But our memories are not as selective as the New York Times. Not as blunt and
without context. The UN/US slaughters and complicity in recent slaughters in
Haiti, since 2004, floods my body like a deadly metastasized virus and cannot
be contained in New York Times’ silences; these embedded media's
self-serving, selective amnesia. (http://bit.ly/db0gnT)

Ezili's HLLN wants to ask the New York Times, where was William G.
O'Neil/UN/USAID's great human rights investigations and input during the
Latortue slaughters from 2004 to 2006 in Haiti?

Or, when Father Jean Juste, Yvon Neptune and tens of thousands of anti-Bush Regime Change Haitians where cast into the "hellholes" of Haiti prisons under a UN occupation since 2004?

More to the point, where was the New York Times investigations, editorials and
calls for further investigations during the UN/US slaughters in Haiti from 2004
to the present. Where?

Where was the New York Times clamor for a full and transparent investigation
into the disappearance of Haiti’s most well known human rights activist,
Lovinsky Pierre Antoine? He disappeared in UN/US occupied Haiti in 2007. Why
didn't the New York Times look into "who is the man in dark glasses?"(
http://bit.ly/d5xJYA )

Where was the New York Times editorials asking for an investigation into
Lovinsky’s disappearance to ensure this sort of attack on human rights
activists in Haiti never happens again as they are now so loudly demanding in
reference to the Les Cayes slaughters? Why the arbitrariness and inconsistency?

(See New York Times Editorial - Slaughter in Les Cayes, May 25, 2010 |
http://nyti.ms/9Lox12).

On December 1, 2004 at the National Penitentiary in Haiti, it is reported that
from 60 to 107 prisoners where executed. From 60 to 107 prisoners where
EXECUTED, some while in their cells with UN troops less than 100 yards away.
Where was the New York Times at that time? Ezili's HLLN was one of the few who reported on this prison massacre.

We remember it well because Colin Powell had flown into Haiti that very day. New York Times was there. So what's the reason for this sudden New York Times interests in human rights abuse in Haiti? Could it be that USAID and UN/US need to justify their existence in Haiti now with all the limelight on Haiti by showing Haiti police force needs more human rights training?

OK, but weren't both the UN and USAID in Haiti on December 1, 2004? Where is that investigation? The results of the US/UN/Private military contractor police training that’s been taking place since then? What happen to all that millions upon millions allocated and spent in the name of building prisons in Haiti, allocating for prisoner humane treatment an due process if 70% to 80% of the prisoners in Haiti are still simply poor folks, or mostly folks deemed to be ‘Lavalas” supporters – meaning anti-coup detat, anti-Bush regime change and UN/US occupation - who are warehoused in UN occupied Haiti, without ever being convicted, getting a hearing, seeing a judge?

Where is the New York Times call for full and transparent investigation for the
July 6, 2005 massacre by UN troops in Site Soley? The Dec. 22, 2004 massacre by UN troops in Haiti? The Abu Ghraib treatment by US Marines of Haiti children
with the dead-of-night arrest of Annette August, a 70-year old grandmother and one of Haiti’s well-renowned folk singers?

US Marines arrested the 70-year old grandmother in the dead of night, put black plastic bags and handcuffs on all 11 occupants in the home, even on her 5-year-old grandson who was asleep and transported them to the barracks for questioning.

Annette August like Haiti's Prime Minister stayed in prison, for over two years until the charges where dropped before being released. Where was the New York Times then? Where was the New York Times when the US Marines turned a University into military barracks and closed down the school and stop Haitians from training needed doctors for Haiti?

Where was the New York Times during the March 13, 2004 Bel Air massacre by the US Marines in Haiti and the various other US troop massacres in 2004 where US forces brought their own ambulances to take away the bodies and cover up the number who had been killed?

Where was the New York Times when Brazilian Troops entered the funeral march of father Gerard Jean Juste and shot at the marchers killing one mourner? (The shooting was caught on video – see Ezili Dantò at UN provoke mourners, gun down unarmed, blames it on victims http://bit.ly/8AwRN and http://bit.ly/2Vn5h4)

Where was the New York Times reporting when on November 8, 2005, Jordanian soldiers, with their mounted-cannon tanks, fired indiscriminately at the unarmed people of Site Soley as they were getting water in a military attempt to take over the only water tower that provides life to the 300,000 to 450,000 people of Site Soley.

The Haitian women and men protected the water tower with their very bodies and refused to allow the soldiers to take it over. Dozens were reported shot, by our direct from Haiti, on-the-streets, Ezili Dantò Witness Project correspondents, at point-blank and virtually execution-style directly by the UN soldiers who wouldn't let go of the macabre operation, until the Black blood flowed, and flowed. http://bit.ly/9qObOP

Where was the New York Times when 110 UN soldiers where accused of rape,
molestation, prostitution and exchanging sex for food or for less than $1 with
young Haitian children, where is that investigation? Why is the New York Times
suddenly NOW interested in pointing to Haitian government wrongdoing and
UN/USAID as "investigative" arms for human rights in Haiti?

The UN has been in Haiti for over 6-years and in control of prisons where 70 to 80% of the prisoners have never been charged of a crime, never had a hearing, seen a judge or been convicted. Yet, remain indefinitely imprison for years with UN overseeing the system, US and USAID training the Haitian guards, police at a tune for the UN of over 600million a year.

More Haitians have been warehouse in jail, put there by UN soldiers who've rounded them up then any Haitian policemen.... Why are only Haitian policemen being investigated and not the UN mission's human rights track record in Haiti and USAID's involvement? ...This is just off the top of my head, but I could go on for pages.
http://bit.ly/968rQG

I’m re-MEMBERing The Cite Soleil (Site Soley) Massacre Declassification
Project - http://bit.ly/4ICEJc where the US Ambassador to Haiti cabled
Washington to say that I was spreading rumors on the Internet, but the
declassified reports verified what we knew at the time was just a fraction of
the abuses – we said 330 UN soldiers had entered Site Soley shooting at the
people while they slept, but in fact the declassified reports indicated MORE.
There were 440 UN soldiers who entered Site Soley, 1,000 surrounded Site Soley
– a civilian population not at war and the UN fired 22,000 rounds of
ammunition in the operations.

And, just as the Haitian police who are today involved in the Les Cayes prison
killings are saying the killings was done by “gang” members, blaming it on
the victims by criminalizing them to dehumanize them, well so has that been the UN explanation for July 6 and every other time unarmed civilians where found shot by UN or US bullets in Haiti since 2004.

Who, if not USAID’s private military contractors, US Special Forces the
Pentagon reps and UN “experts” trained and armed the new Haitian police
force that are involved in the Les Cayes episode?

And where was the UN troops while the shootings where occurring? Why didn’t
they step in to stop the Haitian police? Who will investigate that? Uhmmm, the
UN and USAID? Oh, the vipers’ pit we dwell in? This Haitian reality is more
tragic than any Shakespearean tragedy, it’s Machiavellian and would be
comical if it wasn’t so heart wrenching horrifying, sad and ironic.

For, pray tell, who trained the Guy Phillip/Louis Jodel Chamblain and Lame Timanchet death squads in Haiti that roam free under the UN/US occupation since 2004, even with the power to arrest and warehouse their political opponents under cover of UN/US firepower??????

Answer that question New York Times!

Nou la! Nou pap bay legen. Ezili Danto of HLLN, May 25, 2010
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Message  jackoti01 Ven 28 Mai 2010 - 18:38

Mon che Sasaye,
Mwen pa pedi tanm li atik sa. Petet mwen ka gen to. Pa gen anyen nan tit la ki pousem al lil. Pa dim sou Divalye yo pat mande fe envestagsyon poukisa yap mande fe envestigasyon sou Nanfi. Krim politk te konn fe sou Divalye se komsi ou dim li nomal pou krim politik kontinye ap fet sou Preval. Nou pa gen dwa mande fe envestigasyon.
Atik la ka sanble tou lap montre 2 pwa 2 mezi.
Mwen espere ke mwen gen to

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Message  Sasaye Ven 28 Mai 2010 - 22:25

Monchè Jackoti,
Petèt ke mwen te dwe chwazi yon tit ki pi enpresyonan ki ta ensite moun al li tout atik la.
Apre sa mwen pa pran oken kredi pou sa ki ekri lan atik la, eksepte ke mwen trouve ke otè a poze yon seri de kestyon ki montre Nouyok Tayms gen 2 pwa ak 2 mezi tout bon.

Se pa si yo pat mande envestigasyon sou yon gouvènman, yo pa gen dwa mande envestigasyon sou yon lòt.

Mwen kwè ke Ezili twouve ke yo fè ekspre fèmen je yo, lè sa lan enterè yo.
Antouka, yon atik poste pou lektè yo tire pwòp konklizyon pa yo.

Ou ka pa twonpre w.
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Message  jackoti01 Ven 28 Mai 2010 - 22:37

Monche sasaye
mwen diw mesi pou eklesisman ou pote sou sa.

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Message  Thunder Sam 29 Mai 2010 - 2:26

Mwen pa rantre nan koze yo, paske lè lamaryaj te bèl ant yo, pat konn genyen bougonnen. Men sèl sa ke mwen ka di se ke, pou menm sa ke Dantò ap "denonse" NY Times lan kòm yon medya ki soufri "selective amnesia". Manmzèl montre kareman ke li soufri sa ke li ap akize lòt moun ke yo soufri. Manmzèl rete kole nan entèval 2004-2006 lan tankou se lè sa a ke san inosan te kòmanse koule. Li pa mansyone masak:
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_ 6 Mars 1996 nan Site Solèy
_ 22 Desanm 1999 nan Lintho
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Donk Dantò ta sipoze ka reponn menm kesyon ke li poze NY Times lan.
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