HAITI ELECTIONS: Whose Side Is Bill Clinton On in Haiti, Anyway?
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HAITI ELECTIONS: Whose Side Is Bill Clinton On in Haiti, Anyway?
Whose Side Is Bill Clinton On in Haiti, Anyway?
What was Bill Clinton thinking when he told journalists in the Dominican Republic yesterday that Haiti needed "an objective" recount of ballots in the Haiti election? The US State Department has cast doubts on the results, and two of the leading candidates, Michel Martelly and Mirlande Manigat, have said they will not participate in any recount, citing ballot box stuffing, voter intimidation, bribery, payoffs and outright murder as reasons to invalidate any recount effort. Supporters of Jude Celestin, current President Rene Preval's handpicked successor, are accused of perpetrating massive fraud to guarantee Celestin's place in a two-person runoff.
Citing a flawed election and ballot destruction, candidate Martelly has called for a new election on January 16.
Watch this PBS video which clearly shows ballots being destroyed. How can they be counted?
Given this background, Clinton's statement is incomprehensible.
"They have agreed I think, the (electoral) commission, to have a second look at the votes with objective and informed observers. I think that course may offer the best opportunity for the people of Haiti to accept the result. We need an objective view of this count.
Why is Clinton contradicting his own State Department and the US Embassy in Haiti, which both expressed concern that Haiti's Provisional Electoral Council's [CEP] announcement of preliminary results from the November 28 national elections are "inconsistent with the published results of the National Election Observation Council (CNO)."
We have already publicly stated our significant concerns about the results that have been announced. The results that -- when these results are finalized, leading to a run-off election next month, the people of Haiti have to believe that these are the candidates that they have chosen, they haven't been chosen by the government behind closed doors.
The CNO is a watchdog group financed by the European Union. Polling of voters showed former first lady Manigat had 30 percent of the vote, Martelly 25 percent and Celestin only 20 percent. CNO's unofficial estimate was based on data from 15 percent of polling stations. It was this estimate that prompted a response from the US Embassy.
Clinton offered his contradictory and confusing comments on the election to reporters after co-chairing a session of the Interim Haiti Recovery Commission (IRHC).
Was Clinton speaking in his capacity as UN Special Envoy, as Co-chair of the IHRC, as part of the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI), or as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's husband? SOS Clinton has been absolutely silent on the issue of a Haitian election process in total chaos.
Is Hillary Clinton taking bad advice, as back channels are suggesting, from Cheryl Mills, US representative for the Interim Haiti Recovery Commission (Bill co-chairs) and passing it on to her husband? Mills is also currently Chief of Staff to SOS Hillary Clinton, and was deputy White House Counsel for the former president. Hillary's silence on this issue is deafening.
Has the former President forgotten what a disputed election looks like, considering what the United States went through in the Bush vs. Gore 2000 recount? The recount covered 175,037 of the approximately 6,000,000 ballots cast in the election, and was viewed under a media microscope.
Haiti has not had round-the clock scrutiny of the disputed ballots, they are not under lock-down as the Florida ballot boxes were, and there is certainly no court system in place to watchdog the recount. How many of us can forget the videos of National Guard escorting the caravan of ballots as they were transported from Broward and Palm Beach counties to Tallahassee?
Clinton's statement is also in direct opposition to a statement by Vermont Democratic Senator, Patrick Leahy, who called for a suspension of all aid to Haiti unless the "will of the [Haitian] people was honored.
As if Haiti did not have enough problems, now, once again, those in power there are trying to subvert the will of the people. The United States must come down squarely in support of the Haitian people's right to choose their leaders freely and fairly.
By suspending direct aid to the central government and visas for top officials and their immediate family members, the United States would be sending that message. This process needs to bring about a legitimate government respected by the Haitian people and recognized by the international community.
Particularly troubling is the connection of the IRHC with the current government of Rene Preval. Clinton's co-chair, Jean-Max Bellerive, is the Prime Minister of Haiti (second to Preval) and Minister of Planning and External Cooperation for the Republic of Haiti. The IRHC has been roundly criticized, by Clinton himself, for lack of engagement since the January 2010 earthquake.
Clinton is setting himself up to make another apology to Haiti. In April, he expressed regret over his trade policies, which helped to destroy Haiti's agricultural economy and the county's ability to feed itself. Clinton told an interviewer for Democracy Now that the United States "made a devil's bargain" when it instituted trade policies that destroyed Haitian rice production.
Clinton now seems to be painting himself into a corner with allegiances that run the gamut from the disgraced UN to the corrupt corners of the Haitian government. Meanwhile 1.5 million Haitians find themselves totally disenfranchised in tarp cities while a cholera epidemic is stalking the surrounding landscapes.
Those that literally fought their way to the ballot boxes in opposition to the Preval government now have no way of knowing if their votes were counted.
It's time for the Clintons to fish or cut bait. Are they standing with the Haitian people, or not? Tell the Haitian people clearly and without political doublespeak that you stand squarely behind free and open elections in Haiti. Mr. Clinton, ask your wife to make an official statement of support to the candidates, Martelly and Maginat, who have withdrawn from this tainted process. Bill Clinton has been admired for his ability to multi-task.
To remain silent now is to support Rene Preval and his anointed successor.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgianne-nienaber/whose-side-is-bill-clinto_b_797246.html
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Bill Clinton is on the side of Bill Clinton!
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Re: HAITI ELECTIONS: Whose Side Is Bill Clinton On in Haiti, Anyway?
Atik sa montre tre byen ke Bill Clinton pa vreman kanpe avek pep Ayisyen!
Ni ke li pa vle kanpe avek donater etranje yo tou.
Bill Clinton se yon chat chaudé ki pe tro fret! Li komet trop errer politik e ekonomik nan peyi Dayiti deja! Nou tout konnen errer sa yo e nou pa bezwen elabore ni kanpe sou yo!
Bill Clinton mande pou yon rekontaj objektif vot yo pa fe sans!!
Se pa konte ke pep Ayisyen pa konnen konte se volo ke gouvenman an vle fe pou yon kandida ke yo chwazi.
Si chwa saa passe, Ayiti peri net!!!
Rekontaj objektif sa pap kab fet ak CEP sa anko.
Si yon kandida devan avek 23 poin. Yon lot deye avek 10 poin. Si yo fe 10 poin sa tounnen 110, kandida ki te devan KK net!
Zafe rekonte vot, se bliye sa!! Zafe ale nan 2ziemm tou a se blye sa paske pep Ayisyen fatigue! Yo bezwen travay, manje, kay!
Solisyon an se kite Manigat 70 zan eli kom prezidan!!
Martelly 49 an ak Celestin 49 an jenn gason toujou!
Yo kap toujou frappe konn yo an 2016 ki pa tro louyen!
Li le pou rekonstriksyon peyi a komanse!! Li le pou pep la komanse travay e soti anba tant yo!!
Ni ke li pa vle kanpe avek donater etranje yo tou.
Bill Clinton se yon chat chaudé ki pe tro fret! Li komet trop errer politik e ekonomik nan peyi Dayiti deja! Nou tout konnen errer sa yo e nou pa bezwen elabore ni kanpe sou yo!
Bill Clinton mande pou yon rekontaj objektif vot yo pa fe sans!!
Se pa konte ke pep Ayisyen pa konnen konte se volo ke gouvenman an vle fe pou yon kandida ke yo chwazi.
Si chwa saa passe, Ayiti peri net!!!
Rekontaj objektif sa pap kab fet ak CEP sa anko.
Si yon kandida devan avek 23 poin. Yon lot deye avek 10 poin. Si yo fe 10 poin sa tounnen 110, kandida ki te devan KK net!
Zafe rekonte vot, se bliye sa!! Zafe ale nan 2ziemm tou a se blye sa paske pep Ayisyen fatigue! Yo bezwen travay, manje, kay!
Solisyon an se kite Manigat 70 zan eli kom prezidan!!
Martelly 49 an ak Celestin 49 an jenn gason toujou!
Yo kap toujou frappe konn yo an 2016 ki pa tro louyen!
Li le pou rekonstriksyon peyi a komanse!! Li le pou pep la komanse travay e soti anba tant yo!!
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President Clinton should refrain from commenting on this selection for the haitians themeselves do not agree on what should be done.Mr.Martelly and Mrs Manigat said that the votes of the people must count after they, with the other ten candidates, had requested that the election be annuled.Now Mr Martelly is asking again ,after the result shows that he will not particpate in the second round that the election should be void for a new election with all the other candidates.That is not what Mrs Manigat wants; she doesn't want a recount ,but she wants to participate in a secound round with Jude Clestin.
It has been more than 72 hours since the results were proclaimed ,the candidates have plenty of time to prove the election was fraudulent.All the parties concerned should wait for the decision of the review board of the electoral process. I think the use of the word objective by Mr Clinton is not inappropriate for the objective of the election was to give each candidate the number of ballots casted by the people in his or her name.If the board of review decided that this objectif is unatainable for one reason or another then the election should be annuled.
It is ludicrous to blame Mr. Clinton for his point of view.I don't think he disrespected the haitian people by commenting on the result of the election.He is asking that the election be fair and the will of the people be respected. The critics should be adressed toward those who help organize the election ,because it was evident that President Preval and the CEP do not want to organize a fair election in haiti.The candidates who participate also in this process bear the responsibility of this fiasco;They know Rene Preval better to let him pull them in this trap.The funny thing about this procees is the way Preval told the candidates before the election:only the righteous will be saved.King Preval doesn't lie.I am surprised he doesn't say what Francois Duvalier used to say:"Haiti ,c'est moi."
It has been more than 72 hours since the results were proclaimed ,the candidates have plenty of time to prove the election was fraudulent.All the parties concerned should wait for the decision of the review board of the electoral process. I think the use of the word objective by Mr Clinton is not inappropriate for the objective of the election was to give each candidate the number of ballots casted by the people in his or her name.If the board of review decided that this objectif is unatainable for one reason or another then the election should be annuled.
It is ludicrous to blame Mr. Clinton for his point of view.I don't think he disrespected the haitian people by commenting on the result of the election.He is asking that the election be fair and the will of the people be respected. The critics should be adressed toward those who help organize the election ,because it was evident that President Preval and the CEP do not want to organize a fair election in haiti.The candidates who participate also in this process bear the responsibility of this fiasco;They know Rene Preval better to let him pull them in this trap.The funny thing about this procees is the way Preval told the candidates before the election:only the righteous will be saved.King Preval doesn't lie.I am surprised he doesn't say what Francois Duvalier used to say:"Haiti ,c'est moi."
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Re: HAITI ELECTIONS: Whose Side Is Bill Clinton On in Haiti, Anyway?
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ou konnen w komik lè yo pat fè dexyem tou pou Manigat te patisipe ou te rele anmwe koulyè ya ou di nanpren dezyem tou ki pou fet se nomen Manigat presidan kareman menm si sa ap vyole konstityon.ah ah ah.mezanmi men moun ki te konn ap kritike sak te fet an 2006 yo.
ou konnen w komik lè yo pat fè dexyem tou pou Manigat te patisipe ou te rele anmwe koulyè ya ou di nanpren dezyem tou ki pou fet se nomen Manigat presidan kareman menm si sa ap vyole konstityon.ah ah ah.mezanmi men moun ki te konn ap kritike sak te fet an 2006 yo.
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Re: HAITI ELECTIONS: Whose Side Is Bill Clinton On in Haiti, Anyway?
Lan dènye eleksyon lan payi Iran, mezanmi wo, m'ap sonje jan Obama te prese kanpe ak prop bouch li pou denonse pouvwa an plas la ou pou respekte chwa elektè, volonte popilasyon, n'importe quoi... Si m'tronpe'm di'm, men mwen misye fè silans nèt sou sa k'ap pase an Ayiti.
Sanble Barack lage koze a lan men responsabl ki te la anvan yo. Paske li fin pran abitid mete Bill Clinton devan lan tout sa l'ap fè menm lakay li. Alor se strateji demokrat yo pou regenyen popilarite pandan ke Sarah Palin sot profite al pyetine kadav anba a.
M'ap tande Sweet Micky jodi a lan entèview. Alor m'ap sonje si misye pat remèt vye jès devègonde li yo, sa pa ta fè'l mal jodi a. Misye ase poze men nou konprand ke li gen gwo firm sid-amerikèn k'ap gere kanpay li. Men kote Micky pran tout lajan sa yo, e ki ès k'ap back up misye konsa. Mwen gen anpil dout sou bonne foi misye.
Se pa posibl ke Radyo Kanada kontinye ap manke Ayisyen respè konsa. Bon, apa mwen tande apre-midi ayon jounalis k'ap pale de Sweet Micky comme un chanteur de charme. E pi Martelly ase odasye pou l'ap seye entèprete sou klavye ''L'encre de tes yeux'' de Francis Cabrel pou blan a:
Puisqu'on ne vivra jamais tous les deux
Puisqu'on est fous puisqu'on est seuls
Puisqu'ils sont si nombreux,
Même la morale parle pour eux
J'aimerais quand même te dire
Tout ce que j'ai pu écrire
Je l'ai puisé à l'encre de tes yeux.
Si yon nèg te ka eklere'm sou ki sa misye ap chante bay cheri zye vèt la... Lan ki sa nou pran la a. Ha! ha! ha! Nostalgie!
Al verifye si nou vle sou sit Radio Canada (televizyon). Sa vrèman al tro lwen. (LOL)
Misye merite yon contre-manifestation kote tout moun mete yon jip an twèl ou an paye sou yo. Rete, moun Ayiti yo ap domi. Pa gen satiristes lan peyi a. Tout sa yo ka fè, se voye al babouye postè kandida.
Sanble Barack lage koze a lan men responsabl ki te la anvan yo. Paske li fin pran abitid mete Bill Clinton devan lan tout sa l'ap fè menm lakay li. Alor se strateji demokrat yo pou regenyen popilarite pandan ke Sarah Palin sot profite al pyetine kadav anba a.
M'ap tande Sweet Micky jodi a lan entèview. Alor m'ap sonje si misye pat remèt vye jès devègonde li yo, sa pa ta fè'l mal jodi a. Misye ase poze men nou konprand ke li gen gwo firm sid-amerikèn k'ap gere kanpay li. Men kote Micky pran tout lajan sa yo, e ki ès k'ap back up misye konsa. Mwen gen anpil dout sou bonne foi misye.
Se pa posibl ke Radyo Kanada kontinye ap manke Ayisyen respè konsa. Bon, apa mwen tande apre-midi ayon jounalis k'ap pale de Sweet Micky comme un chanteur de charme. E pi Martelly ase odasye pou l'ap seye entèprete sou klavye ''L'encre de tes yeux'' de Francis Cabrel pou blan a:
Puisqu'on ne vivra jamais tous les deux
Puisqu'on est fous puisqu'on est seuls
Puisqu'ils sont si nombreux,
Même la morale parle pour eux
J'aimerais quand même te dire
Tout ce que j'ai pu écrire
Je l'ai puisé à l'encre de tes yeux.
Si yon nèg te ka eklere'm sou ki sa misye ap chante bay cheri zye vèt la... Lan ki sa nou pran la a. Ha! ha! ha! Nostalgie!
Al verifye si nou vle sou sit Radio Canada (televizyon). Sa vrèman al tro lwen. (LOL)
Misye merite yon contre-manifestation kote tout moun mete yon jip an twèl ou an paye sou yo. Rete, moun Ayiti yo ap domi. Pa gen satiristes lan peyi a. Tout sa yo ka fè, se voye al babouye postè kandida.
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Mr. Clinton, ask your wife to make an official statement of support to the candidates, Martelly and Maginat, who have withdrawn from this tainted process.
Se pou nèg ki ekri atik saa al gade anko.
Mateli ak Maniga te rale ko yo ansanm ak 12 lot kandida yo.
Men yo te bay lot kandida yo kout ba lè yo finn pale ak Milet ki te fè yo konprann yo te devan bann lan.
Yo menm di ke madam nan se youn lan de kandida pouvwa a.
Si Selesten pa prezidan, madanm nan va prezidan.
Kifè menm bagay yo ap kontinye.
Se pou nèg ki ekri atik saa al gade anko.
Mateli ak Maniga te rale ko yo ansanm ak 12 lot kandida yo.
Men yo te bay lot kandida yo kout ba lè yo finn pale ak Milet ki te fè yo konprann yo te devan bann lan.
Yo menm di ke madam nan se youn lan de kandida pouvwa a.
Si Selesten pa prezidan, madanm nan va prezidan.
Kifè menm bagay yo ap kontinye.
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