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Message  Invité Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 15:28

LIBERTY CITY SEVEN
Acquitted Haitian defendant in Liberty City Seven terror case is deported

An acquitted member of a convicted Miami terrorism cell was deported to Haiti.
BY JAY WEAVER AND TRENTON DANIEL
jweaver@MiamiHerald.com

Lyglenson Lemorin, acquitted of all charges in the Liberty City Seven terrorism trial three years ago, was deported to Haiti early Thursday along with 26 Haitian nationals with criminal records in the United States.

After a one-year moratorium on deportations to earthquake-ravaged Haiti, U.S. immigration officials resumed the removals on Thursday. Lemorin was included in the first group to be deported, immigration officials said.

Lemorin's liberty isn't the only issue at stake. He is leaving behind his wife and their three children, who live in North Miami Beach.

``It's absolutely devastating to me and our children,'' said Charlene Mingo Lemorin, 31, a hairdresser who undergoes kidney dialysis. ``I'm really confused and hurt because I don't have my husband, but I'm more terrified about his safety over there.''

Haitian-born Lemorin, 35, who grew up in Miami, is a legal U.S. resident with no criminal history. He had been jailed by immigration authorities in Georgia, Florida and Louisiana -- despite his acquittal -- because the federal government still considered him a threat to national security.

He fought his removal by the Department of Homeland Security, and his final appeal to a federal appellate court in Atlanta is still pending.

But in the meantime, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has the authority to deport him.

``This is a worst-case scenario coming true,'' said Atlanta immigration lawyer Charles Kuck, who has represented Lemorin almost since his acquittal on terrorism-conspiracy charges in the so-called Liberty Seven case in December 2007.

Although Lemorin has no conviction, he is being lumped together with deportable Haitian nationals with criminal records in the United States, his lawyer said. There are about 350 Haitians with convictions in ICE custody nationwide.

Deportations had been placed on hold after last January's earthquake left thousands dead and the capital, Port-au-Prince, in ruins.

``Today's removals are consistent with ICE's priority of removing aliens who pose a threat to public safety,'' said spokeswoman Barbara Gonzalez. ``ICE will continue to return criminal aliens to Haiti on a periodic basis.''

The deportation of the Haitian criminals comes at a politically fragile time in Haiti. On Sunday, ex-dictator Jean-Claude ``Baby Doc'' Duvalier showed up in Port-au-Prince after spending 25 years in exile in France. The surprise visit raised fears that the already volatile country could plunge into more chaos.

Immigrant advocates and community activists blasted the Obama administration's decision to deport Haitian criminals at this time as inhumane, citing Duvalier's arrival, a deadly cholera outbreak and an electoral crisis.

``This is not the time to deport anybody to Haiti,'' added Steve Forester, an immigration policy coordinator for the Institute for Justice and Democracy in Haiti.

Forester noted how the deported Haitians were at risk of catching cholera in the National Penitentiary in downtown Port-au-Prince, where they would likely be held. Since the disease was found in Haiti in mid-October, it has claimed the lives of almost 4,000 people.

He added that should those with more serious criminal records be released, they could cause problems. ``It defeats the ability to bring stability,'' he said.

Marleine Bastien, director of Haitian Women of Miami, also expressed concern for the first group of deported Haitians -- and Lemorin's safety.

``My concern is they could lose their lives,'' said Bastien. ``For Lemorin to be deported is totally unacceptable. I think he should be brought back.''

And that could happen, if the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta decides to block his permanent removal from the United States.

If that were to happen, ICE would have to bring Lemorin back to the United States.

Lemorin -- charged in 2006 with conspiring to provide ``material support'' to al Qaeda after an FBI sting operation -- has lived lawfully in the United States since he was 12.

In December 2007, Lemorin was found not guilty of conspiring with the inner-city group to aid al Qaeda in a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago and Miami's FBI building. The federal jury deadlocked on the other six defendants, five of whom were eventually convicted.

Immigration experts said that under the USA Patriot Act, adopted after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, a lawful U.S. resident such as Lemorin may be locked up and possibly deported on terrorism-related allegations even if the person has not been convicted.

Days after Lemorin's acquittal, immigration authorities took him into custody and said he should be deported because he provided ``material support'' to al Qaeda. An immigration judge sided with the government, leading to Thursday's deportation.

Lemorin has distant relatives in Haiti, who will try to get him released from the National Penitentiary, if he ends up there, his wife said.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/20/2026227/acquitted-haitian-defendant-in.html#ixzz1BhgsxT00


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Message  Le gros roseau Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 16:31

Haitians should learn ,there is no other country which will tolerate foreigners who constitute threats to thir securities.It is only in haiti that a foreigner can finance a rebellion against a democratically elected president and still lives in the country.They should all have been Talamased long time ago.

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Message  dilibon Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 17:37

lamitye de ki foreigner wap pale'a? Fe atansyon ak ti po dyol ou paske ou menm tou se etranje ou ye nan peyi moun yo tande. Mwen we wap pwan poz blan meriken w lontan! Mwen ranmase gant an tande - map aveti w kile duel la pwal fet tande Bope cheri!

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Message  Invité Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 18:10

Dili sa ou bezwen okipe ansyen assassin sa ki tap touye moun sou papa doc ke remo ap touye li bezwen yun delivrans avan li mouri lap vini di tintin sou forom la.
mesie ki sou forom ka by verdik la sou misie apres tout sa li di yo si yo pa lan paty pwi.
jan nou te konnin rejim papa doc te move pou yun neg te ginyen tout ale vini lan rejim sa kon sa na konklu nou minme
E pi Dili misie pa ka minme pwan yun souflet ale wes le bon frap ap tombe.

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Message  Invité Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 18:11

Le gros roseau a écrit:Haitians should learn ,there is no other country which will tolerate foreigners who constitute threats to thir securities.It is only in haiti that a foreigner can finance a rebellion against a democratically elected president and still lives in the country.They should all have been Talamased long time ago.

Auriez-vous le meme discours si l'ICE vous déporte par erreur?

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Message  OBSERVER KEEN Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 19:08

he was not deported by error; yes, he represents a threat to national security because he had associations that were of nefarious beliefs. not guilty does not mean that you are not a threat; it means that the evidences against you are not beyond reasonable doubt; that is why a non-guilty verdict can still lead to a guilty version in a civil court case.
it is not injustice because a green card residency is a privilege, not a right. the government reserves the right to take it back if it deems that your presence requires constant surveillance and they do not want to expend so many resources in keeping this guy under surveillance. what political price do you think the authorities would pay if that guy ended up blowing something up later because they had failed to deport him? this is not Haiti when authorities pay no price for their negligence. it is not Haiti when the national penitentiary got broken into three times, yet there was even one hearing by the senate security committee.
we have a tendency to just use injustice for anything and in the process dilute its very very essence.
as far as his wife and his family are concerned, they are victims, but they are not victimized by the state, but rather they are victimized at the hand of their own husband and father.


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Message  Invité Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 19:14

OBSERVER KEEN a écrit:he was not deported by error; yes, he represents a threat to national security because he had associations that were of nefarious beliefs. not guilty does not mean that you are not a threat; it means that the evidences against you are not beyond reasonable doubt; that is why a non-guilty verdict can still lead to a guilty version in a civil court case.
it is not injustice because a green card residency is a privilege, not a right. the government reserves the right to take it back if it deems that your presence requires constant surveillance and they do not want to expend so many resources in keeping this guy under surveillance. what political price do you think the authorities would pay if that guy ended up blowing something up later because they had failed to deport him? this is not Haiti when authorities pay no price for their negligence. it is not Haiti when the national penitentiary got broken into three times, yet there was even one hearing by the senate security committee.
we have a tendency to just use injustice for anything and in the process dilute its very very essence.
as far as his wife and his family are concerned, they are victims, but not the state, but at the hand of their own husband and father.

According to your statement, this guy should go to Guatanamo if really he represents a threat to our national security...

Now, in Haiti, the terrorists will be able to use him to attack us ....

The US Intelligence will never make such mistake to deport a potential terrorist to Haiti...

That must be a mistake....

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Message  Le gros roseau Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 20:03

I respect myself ;I know I am a naturalized citizen of the United States.I will not do anything against the country because If I dont like it the american government doesn't put any chain in my feet;I will leave and go to iraq or Libya or any country of my choice.But as long as i want to live in the United States i must respect and obey its laws and constitution.I am not perfect ,but I have been living in this country for 41 years ,and i have never been in any court other than a traffic one . I try to avoid even a traffic violation as much as I can.If you accept to give someone shelter in your house he or she must obey and respect your rules.If he or she doesn't ,you have the right to ask him/her to leave.I don't need any person who is a danger to my well being in my house.That's all folks ;love it or leave it;that is the way I feel.

if a restavek doesn't know who financed and overthrew not only one ,but many haitian presidents i am not reponsible for his ignorance.amigo, hay cosas que no se dicen.se hacen.Digame cuando y donde.Tu no puedes ser el marido de mi hija,idiota.If you don't know the Shibley Talamas incident. or the Luders' affair then go back to learn your history.If you don't know that an american citizen was ploting to overthrow the duly elected government of President Aristide then you must go to see a doctor because you are suffering an advanced form of amnesia,stupid.


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Message  OBSERVER KEEN Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 20:13

colocolo a écrit:
OBSERVER KEEN a écrit:he was not deported by error; yes, he represents a threat to national security because he had associations that were of nefarious beliefs. not guilty does not mean that you are not a threat; it means that the evidences against you are not beyond reasonable doubt; that is why a non-guilty verdict can still lead to a guilty version in a civil court case.
it is not injustice because a green card residency is a privilege, not a right. the government reserves the right to take it back if it deems that your presence requires constant surveillance and they do not want to expend so many resources in keeping this guy under surveillance. what political price do you think the authorities would pay if that guy ended up blowing something up later because they had failed to deport him? this is not Haiti when authorities pay no price for their negligence. it is not Haiti when the national penitentiary got broken into three times, yet there was even one hearing by the senate security committee.
we have a tendency to just use injustice for anything and in the process dilute its very very essence.
as far as his wife and his family are concerned, they are victims, but not the state, but at the hand of their own husband and father.

According to your statement, this guy should go to Guatanamo if really he represents a threat to our national security...

Now, in Haiti, the terrorists will be able to use him to attack us ....

The US Intelligence will never make such mistake to deport a potential terrorist to Haiti...

That must be a mistake....


one cannot be put in prison for potential crime in the future, but one can be legitimately deported for nefarious beliefs AND ASSOCIATIONS. keep in mind that the guy is not a citizen. look at it that way, there are things that you would tolerate from your own kid, but would not be willing to accept from others' kids.
the guy's associations and beliefs are of concern; so they deported him on technicalities; maybe he failed to pay taxes or something. first of all, he was here illegally according what I have heard. COME on, to attack us? Haiti does not figure in the religio-political rivalry between the West and the Islamic world.

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OBSERVER KEEN a écrit: COME on, to attack us? Haiti does not figure in the religio-political rivalry between the West and the Islamic world.

Keen,

As green card holder or citizen by choice, we are part of the United States of America...


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Message  OBSERVER KEEN Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 21:15

greed card holders do not have certain rights; if you go to all kinds of protests, the state can argue that you are a provocateur,and that can get you deported. this country does not use that kind of tactics, but other countries do. france for example does that; if you are caught in many protests, and in such protests, there were acts of violence; guess what, all of a sudden, you are disturbing public peace and the ministry of interior ships you back to your native country.
accusations of bad influences are enough to get you deported. your rights are basic, not extended when you are a green card-holder. do you know that technically that you are supposed to have your greed card with you when you are go out?

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Message  Invité Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 21:28

OBSERVER KEEN a écrit:accusations of bad influences are enough to get you deported. your rights are basic, not extended when you are a green card-holder. do you know that technically that you are supposed to have your greed card with you when you are go out?

I never use my green card, my driver licence is enough....

I even went to Tanzania without carrying my passport and green card...


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Message  Le gros roseau Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 21:35

If the U.S. imigration had deported Toto constant even if he were found not guilty in a court of law would it be legal or illegal?If the haitian government asks a man accused of abusing children in haiti to leave the country even if he were found not guilty in a court of law would it be legal or illegal?O.J . Simpson was found not guilty in a criminal court,but found guilty in a civil court.

I have the right to walk naked in my house ,but i Don't have the right to do that in my friend's house .If he said no ;you can't do that here ;is he right or wrong. Because he allowed me to stay in his house doesn't give me the right to do anything i want .I can not bring a prostitute in his house.I should not make noises in his house while he and his wife are sleeping.I must respect and appreciate his hospitality.

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Message  piporiko Ven 21 Jan 2011 - 21:42

dilibon a écrit:lamitye de ki foreigner wap pale'a? Fe atansyon ak ti po dyol ou paske ou menm tou se etranje ou ye nan peyi moun yo tande. Mwen we wap pwan poz blan meriken w lontan! Mwen ranmase gant an tande - map aveti w kile duel la pwal fet tande Bope cheri!

Pou ki sa wap joure .Des mots tankou "TIPO diol",pa gen plas li nan fowom lan.Bagay sa yo tann le w sou radio fre w la.Tann lew sou fokus .Paske tout moun konnen se espion nou ye. Vin siveye sa moun ap di pou raportel.Zannimo tankouw pa gen plas li sou fowom la.Se yon lespas de conviviabilite.Pa vinn polye atmosfer la,pwodui toksik...

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