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Message  Sasaye Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 13:14

This time, the people of Haiti may win
The US has overthrown Jean-Bertrand Aristide twice. But now it will encounter a new reality in the Americas
Mark Weisbrot guardian.co.uk,
Thursday 10 February 2011 21.30 GMT

In 1915, the US Marines invaded Haiti, occupying the country until 1934. US officials rewrote the Haitian constitution, and when the Haitian national assembly refused to ratify it, they dissolved the assembly. They then held a "referendum" in which about 5% of the electorate voted and approved the new constitution – which conveniently changed Haitian law to allow foreigners to own land – with 99.9% voting for approval.

The situation today is remarkably similar. The country is occupied, and although the occupying troops wear blue helmets, everyone knows that Washington calls the shots. On 28 November an election was held in which the country's most popular political party was excluded; but still the results of the first round of the election were not quite right. The OAS – under direction from Washington – then changed the results to eliminate the government's candidate from the second round. To force the government to accept the OAS rewrite of the results, Haiti was threatened with a cutoff of aid flows – and, according to multiple sources, President Préval was threatened with being forcibly flown out of the country – as happened to President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 2004.

Now, Aristide has been issued a diplomatic passport by the government, and is preparing to return. But Washington does not agree, as US state department spokesman PJ Crowley made clear this week. He was also asked if the US government had pressured either the Haitian or South African governments to prevent Aristide's return. He refused to answer; I take that as a "yes".

The United States has been the prime cause of instability in Haiti, not only over the last two centuries, but the last two decades. Although Haiti is a small and poor country, Washington still cares very much about who is running it – and as leaked WikiLeaks cables recently demonstrated, they want a government that is in line with their overall foreign policy for the region. In 1991, Aristide Haiti's first democratically elected president was overthrown after just seven months in office. The officers who carried out the coup and established the military government, killing thousands of innocent Haitians, were subsequently found by the New York Times to be in the pay of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

When Aristide was elected to a second term, in 2000, the United States and its allies destroyed the economy through an economic aid cutoff. Together with aid to the Haitian opposition and an armed insurrection, Washington's effort succeeded in overthrowing the government four years later.

Now that Aristide is returning, we can expect to see a massive smear campaign again against him in the mainstream media, with allegations of human rights abuses and "moral equivalence" comparisons with the Duvalier dictatorships. In his book, Damming the Flood, Professor Peter Hallward looks at the best available data for the number of political murders in Haiti: Duvalier dictatorships (1957-1986): 50,000; after the US-sponsored coup of 1991 (with US-funded death squads): 4,000; after the US-organised coup of 2004: 3,000; Aristide's tenure in office (2001-2004): between 10 and 30.

Aristide eliminated more than 98% of the political violence in Haiti by abolishing the army and the murderous "section chief" system, which were the main sources of political violence. For that, Washington will not forgive him. And for that, Orwellian media outlets portray him as a dictator.

Can the US and its allies continue to deny Haiti's national sovereignty, which it won 207 years ago in the world's first successful slave revolt? This is, after all, why they overthrew Aristide twice and seek to prevent his return. He is still a symbol of Haiti's sovereignty, and respect for the poor, for millions of Haitians. For Washington, that is inherently dangerous.

But the Americas have changed since the last time Aristide was overthrown. Washington met strong resistance from South America when it supported the coup government in Honduras in 2009; Honduras has still not been allowed back into the OAS. Governments that Washington did not want – for example, in Bolivia, Ecuador and Venezuela – have been elected and survived despite coup attempts and other destabilisation efforts that were sometimes supported by the United States. This would not have happened 15 years ago. The left governments that now preside over the majority of Latin America have dramatically and permanently changed hemispheric relations.

Last week, Washington failed to get support for its change of Haiti's election results in both the OAS and the 23-nation Rio Group. Unfortunately, Brazil has supported Washington in heading up the UN occupying force in Haiti; but this will not go on indefinitely, especially if they are called upon to shoot people who are demanding their basic democratic rights.

These rights can no longer be denied to Haitians, simply because they are poor and black. Nor can Aristide be denied the right to return to his country. Washington will have to adapt to a new reality, as it is discovering in Egypt.

• Editor's note: This online article was updated at 15:30 (GMT; 10:30 EST) on 11 February 2011. It is an extended version of the edited article that appeared in the Guardian newspaper Comment section on 11 February 2011
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Message  Invité Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 14:29

Hogwash! Say. It is just another third world partisan wishful thinking of foreigners who have always failed to understand the culture of Haiti, the many nuances of our psychology and our real position in the Americas. Pray tell .Haiti is no Egypt. Haitians are far from being Egyptians even though they may suffer of the same oppressive abuses from the local economic, intellectual and political elites. Haiti does not have the institutional structures that are now common in South America .We have things to do after the sabotage of our social institutions by Haitians dictators of all racial shades and ideology. And, please let the 1915 occupation of Haiti alone in its spatio-temporal frame .Has not Jamaica was colonized? Is she not black and relatively poor?

And I would particularly like to push back against this offer of a mantra of racism in reverse which explains our situation by proposing that our present fate is due to ethnic, the politics of racial appurtenances and economic status .Being poor and black is a symptom of a larger phenomenon of a socio-economic problem .It is not the true nature of our disease. What Haitians have to be weary of –I would say- is the tendency of other countries to foray into our private lives by pretexting to share a common goal with us or use us as a tennis ball to do battle with perceived American Imperialism. At this time, in the hands of cholera and earthquakes, I prefer a thousand times the company of American imperialism than a membership in the incompetence of the hypocritical brotherhood of the third world.

Thanks but no thanks brothers.

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Message  Joel Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 15:24

A la traka ;pou mesye sa yo ;yon lè yo di w ke peyi oksidantal yo gen dwa fè sa yo vle ;yo di w se lan mond oksidantal lan nou ye.
Lè yon jounal tankou THE GUARDIAN ,jounal ki gen plis prestij ann ANGLETÈ bay yon opinyon ke yo pa renmen;y ap voye pye.
Kòm jounal lan remake l ;AMERIK lan chanje vre ;li chanje lan yon tèl pwen ke te gen yon reyinyon ki te fèt lane pase kote peyi lan AMERIK lan vle mete sou pye yon òganizasyon emisferik ki ap ekskli ETAZINI .
Tankou atik lan remake l tou ;yo kwape ONDIRAS de OEA apre koudeta a e malgre jefò ETAZINI ;yo refize l kite l reyentegre OGANIZASYON an.

Nèg chita ap pale de ""tipepis"" alòs se tipepis sèlman ki ap pran pouvwa a lan AMERIK LATIN;se konsa tou NEW YORK TIMES di ke si yo ta kite ARISTIDE tounen ,tout kat k ap rebat ;yo menm di ke PREVAL ap fè ARIOSTIDE tounen ,yo di ke ARISTIDE tèlman popilè ke se limenm ki kapab pwoteje PREVAL;se NEW YORK TIMES wi!

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Message  Le gros roseau Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 16:18

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si se vre sa new York times ekri ya jodya Preval sonje genyen yon moun ki rele Aristide.Bral pran nan moulen.li fè jis li kraze mouvman popilè ya.Mpa parye si Aristide te an ayiti epi li te kite lavalas partisipe nan elektyon an pa tap genyen oken dezyem tou ki te beswen fet.

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Message  Maximo Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 16:47

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Pwopableman ke pèp Ayisyen yan ap soti gayan, pa gen ankenn kandida 2 grenn goch nan 2e tou a, donk kelkeswa sak genyen eleksyon an, pèp Ayisyen gayan kan menm.
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Message  Le gros roseau Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 16:51

Se konsa selman pou nou ta genyen,ki mirak ou panko rele Vive Martelly ,bon nou pa wont.

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Message  Maximo Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 17:09

Le gros roseau a écrit:Se konsa selman pou nou ta genyen,ki mirak ou panko rele Vive Martelly ,bon nou pa wont.

Mwen pa abitye rele viv pèsòn, kom ou Abitye ap kouri sou beton an rele viv ninpot malpwopte 2 grenn goch yo ou panse tout moun parey ou, se vre tout moun se moun, men tout moun pa menm. Paske mwen di pèp Ayisyen yan ap gayan sa fè'w mal, ou ta renmen wè yo rete nan malpwopte labou lavalas la menen yo, mwen konen ou te mechan e ke ou pa vle wè pèp la, e ke ou ta renmen yo rete gwangou, sans edikayon e san swen de sante, paske depi nou pwan pouvwa se bak sèlman nap fè, e anko 1 fwa ou sot pwouve ke sa mwen te kwè de ou'w se sa nèt, malfektè.
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Message  Invité Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 18:49

]Toney kraze'm fok mwin piblye sa jenewal Maximo di a anko .Se yon verite absolu.Mezanmi gan moun kap panse sou sit la wi .E yo gin grenn tou pou vide vagabon a terr kap fe vye pwopagan congo sou forum nan kontt pep ayisyen an .Tande pawol levanjil mezanmi :

Mwen pa abitye rele viv pèsòn, kom ou Abitye ap kouri sou beton an rele viv ninpot malpwopte 2 grenn goch yo ou panse tout moun parey ou, se vre tout moun se moun, men tout moun pa menm. Paske mwen di pèp Ayisyen yan ap gayan sa fè'w mal, ou ta renmen wè yo rete nan malpwopte labou lavalas la menen yo, mwen konen ou te mechan e ke ou pa vle wè pèp la, e ke ou ta renmen yo rete gwangou, sans edikayon e san swen de sante, paske depi nou pwan pouvwa se bak sèlman nap fè, e anko 1 fwa ou sot pwouve ke sa mwen te kwè de ou'w se sa nèt, malfektè.
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Message  Invité Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 18:51

Mwen pa abitye rele viv pèsòn, kom ou Abitye ap kouri sou beton an rele viv ninpot malpwopte 2 grenn goch yo ou panse tout moun parey ou, se vre tout moun se moun, men tout moun pa menm. Paske mwen di pèp Ayisyen yan ap gayan sa fè'w mal, ou ta renmen wè yo rete nan malpwopte labou lavalas la menen yo, mwen konen ou te mechan e ke ou pa vle wè pèp la, e ke ou ta renmen yo rete gwangou, sans edikayon e san swen de sante, paske depi nou pwan pouvwa se bak sèlman nap fè, e anko 1 fwa ou sot pwouve ke sa mwen te kwè de ou'w se sa nèt, malfektè. (l'honorable Maximo)[/b]

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Message  Invité Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 18:58

La verite pure et simple.

Il faut appeler la bête par son nom:
Un âne est un âne
Un porc est un porc
Un chien est un chien
Un Roseau est un Roseau.
Tous de la meme famille.
Il n'y a pas de verite plus
Honnête que çelle la

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Message  Invité Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 19:08

sa nou bezoin okipe mf sa yo, yo san ideyal san santiman pou mwen we neg sa yo ap fe chien lan pie lavalas toujou .
pou mwen sa vle di yo pa ginyen yun bwain dintelijans pou yo mete yun payi lan eta li ye a e pi yap chante louanj pe lebrun toujou.
nou pwal we lan 2 kandida sa yo ke nou by tout non si payi ap rete minme jan lavalas te kite li.
mwen pare pou mwen investi milyon lan payi sa depi ginyen sekirite lame police bien oganize.
alo mwen t pwal investi sou lavalas pou fe chime ale dechouke afe mwen c sa selman nou pwop vole afe moun.

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Message  Invité Ven 11 Fév 2011 - 19:12

DEZA MISIE PA MERITE NON ROSEAU A C KANDELAB MWEN RELE LI ,LI LACH MINME JAN AK LAIT KANDELAB LA.

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