BIDEN DOIT-IL GRACIER TRUMP?

Hier nous avons  vu un reportage dans lequel on voyait le président désigné  Joe Biden verser quelques larmes en écoutant le témoignage d'une infirmière De Minnesota .  Cette dernière racontait que l’hôpital n'est pas équipée pour soigner les malades COVID-19 . Elle disait qu'il n'y a pas de masques , pas de protection pour le personnel,etc. Biden impuissant a claqué...
La question qui me venait  à l'esprit en regardant cette video ; est-ce que  Biden doit-il gracier Trump,comme le président Fort avait fait pour NIXON  ?

Je ne sais pas mais une chose est certaine  si Biden devrait le faire dans le but de réduire les tensions politiques . Il devrait poser une condition  que le président Trump  reconnait tous les torts qu'il a causés à son pays . C'est le minimum

Je viens d'apprendre que le président Trump aurait demandé aux 2 républicains siégeant au comité électoral du Michigan d’éliminer les votes des afro américains à Detroit .

Joel , aidez-moi à comprendre , comment un président peut-il s’immiscer dans des élections ? Imaginez un président haïtien très connu (Aristide) aurait fait ou dit ce que Trump a dit ou a fait comme président ?

Comment peut-on gracier un président qui continue à faire du mal aux gens , à la démocratie et à l'image de son pays ?

Il faut comprendre MARC,

L'avenir est tres incertain pour TRUMP apres le 20 JANVIER;on parle de, est ce que TRUMP pourrait se pardonner lui meme ,avant le 20 JANVIER et si ce serait CONSTITUTIONNEL.

Et puis ne comparez pas TRUMP a ARISTIDE.ARISTIDE etait ou est un DEMOCRATE.

Comparez TRUMP a JOVENEL MOISE.
Ces deux la ne veulent pas laisser le pouvoir,car leur lendemain ,s'ils laissent le dit POUVOIR sera tres incertain.

Et puis BIDEN n'a pas de pouvoir sur l'ATTORNEY GENERAL de NEW YORK LETITIA JAMES qui attend d'accuser TRUMP pour des CRIMES FINANCIERS et de CORRUPTION apres que TRUMP laisse la PRESIDENCE.

Et puis ne comparez pas TRUMP a ARISTIDE.ARISTIDE etait ou est un DEMOCRATE. a écrit:Joel

Joel

Je n'ai pas comparé Trump à Aristide . J'ai écrit ceci : Imaginez  que Aristide aurait demandé au CEP d'eliminer des votes  à son profit ! C'est clair  que l'ambassade des USA en Haiti serait sur tous les fronts avec les Pompeo  et cie pour crier au loup .


En parlant de comparaison , je mettrais également Moise Jean Charles  à coté de Trump  . Ils ont des symptômes similaires : Narcissique , moi moi  et ...

Si un candidat INDEPENDANT comme ARISTIDE essairait de faire la moitie de ce que TRUMP est en train d'essayer , un POMPEO demanderait d'envoyer le "101st AIRBONE" pour le deloger.

TRUMP est en train d'essayer de faire  un COUP D'ETAT',n'etait ce la force des INSTITUTIONS aux ETATS UNIS,IL AURAIT DEJA REUSSI.


Trump’s Attempts to Overturn the Election Are Unparalleled in U.S. History
The president’s push to prevent states from certifying electors and get legislators to override voters’ will eclipses even the bitter 1876 election as an audacious use of brute political force.


President Trump’s strategy has become clear over two days of increasingly frenetic action by an executive who is 62 days from losing power.
President Trump’s strategy has become clear over two days of increasingly frenetic action by an executive who is 62 days from losing power.Credit...Anna Moneymaker for The New York Times
David E. Sanger
By David E. Sanger
Nov. 19, 2020

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election are unprecedented in American history and an even more audacious use of brute political force to gain the White House than when Congress gave Rutherford B. Hayes the presidency during Reconstruction.

Mr. Trump’s chances of succeeding are somewhere between remote and impossible, and a sign of his desperation after President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. won by nearly six million popular votes and counting, as well as a clear Electoral College margin. Yet the fact that Mr. Trump is even trying has set off widespread alarms, not least in Mr. Biden’s camp.

“I’m confident he knows he hasn’t won,” Mr. Biden said at a news conference in Wilmington, Del., on Thursday, before adding, “It’s just outrageous what he’s doing.” Although Mr. Biden dismissed Mr. Trump’s behavior as embarrassing, he acknowledged that “incredibly damaging messages are being sent to the rest of the world about how democracy functions.”

Mr. Trump has only weeks to make his last-ditch effort work: Most of the states he needs to strip Mr. Biden of votes are scheduled to certify their electors by the beginning of next week. The electors cast their ballots on Dec. 14, and Congress opens them in a joint session on Jan. 6.

Even if Mr. Trump somehow pulled off his electoral vote switch, there are other safeguards in place, assuming people in power do not simply bend to the president’s will.

The first test will be Michigan, where Mr. Trump is trying to get the State Legislature to overturn Mr. Biden’s 157,000-vote margin of victory. He has taken the extraordinary step of inviting a delegation of state Republican leaders to the White House, hoping to persuade them to ignore the popular vote outcome.

“That’s not going to happen,” Mike Shirkey, the Republican leader of the Michigan State Senate, said on Tuesday. “We are going to follow the law and follow the process.”

Beyond that, Michigan’s Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer, could send Congress a competing electoral slate, based on the election vote, arguing that the proper procedures were ignored. That dispute would create just enough confusion, in Mr. Trump’s Hail Mary calculus, that the House and Senate together would have to resolve it in ways untested in modern times.

Federal law dating to 1887, passed in reaction to the Hayes election, provides the framework, but not specifics, of how it would be done. Edward B. Foley, a constitutional law and election law expert at Ohio State University, noted that the law only required Congress to consider all submissions “purporting to be the valid electoral votes.”

But Michigan alone would not be enough for Mr. Trump. He would also need at least two other states to fold to his pressure. The most likely candidates are Georgia and Arizona, which both went for Mr. Trump in 2016 and have Republican-controlled legislatures and Republican governors.

Gov. Doug Ducey of Arizona has said he will accept the state election results, although only after all the campaign lawsuits are resolved. Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia, where a hand recount reaffirmed Mr. Biden’s victory on Thursday, has not publicly said one way or another who won his state.

Mr. Trump has said little in public apart from tweets endorsing wild conspiracy theories about how he was denied victory. Yet his strategy, if it can be called that, has become clear over two days of increasingly frenetic action by a president 62 days from losing power.

In just that time, Mr. Trump has fired the federal election official who has challenged his false claims of fraud, tried to halt the vote-certification process in Detroit to disenfranchise an overwhelmingly Black electorate that voted against him, and now is misusing the powers of his office in his effort to take Michigan’s 16 electoral votes away from Mr. Biden.

In many ways it is even more of an attempted power grab than the one in 1876. At the time, Hayes was governor of Ohio, not president of the United States. Ulysses S. Grant was, and when Hayes won — also by wrenching the vote around in three states — he became known as “His Fraudulency.”

“But this is far worse,” said Michael Beschloss, the presidential historian and author of “Presidents of War.” “In the case of Hayes, both sides agreed that the outcome in at least three states was in dispute. In this case, no serious person thinks enough votes are in dispute that Donald Trump could have been elected on Election Day.”

“This is a manufactured crisis. It is a president abusing his huge powers in order to stay in office after the voters clearly rejected him for re-election.”

He added: “This is what many of the founders dreaded.”

Mr. Trump telegraphed this strategy during the campaign. He told voters at a rally in Middletown, Pa., in September that he would win at the polls, or in the Supreme Court, or in the House — where, under the 12th Amendment, every state delegation gets one vote in choosing the president. (There are 26 delegations of 50 dominated by Republicans, even though the House is in the hands of the Democrats.)

“I don’t want to end up in the Supreme Court, and I don’t want to go back to Congress, even though we have an advantage if we go back to Congress,” he said then. “Does everyone understand that?”

Now that is clearly the Plan B, after the failure of Plan A, an improvisational legal strategy to overturn election results by invalidating ballots in key states. In state after state, the president’s lawyers have been laughed out of court, unable to provide evidence to back up his claims that mail-in ballots were falsified, or that glitches on voting machines with software from Dominion Voting Systems might, just might, have changed or deleted 2.7 million votes.

Those theories figured in a rambling news conference that Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, held with other members of his legal team on Thursday. The group threw out a series of disconnected arguments to try to make the case that Mr. Trump really won. The arguments included blaming mail-in ballots that they said were prone to fraud as well as Dominion, which they suggested was tied to former President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela (who died seven years ago), and had vague connections to the Clinton Foundation and George Soros, the philanthropist and billionaire Democratic fund-raiser.

“That press conference was the most dangerous 1hr 45 minutes of television in American history,” Christopher Krebs, who was fired Tuesday night by Mr. Trump as the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency of the Department of Homeland Security, tweeted Thursday afternoon.

“And possibly the craziest,” he went on. “If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you’re lucky.”

Mr. Krebs has often noted that the purpose of a reliable election system is to convince those who lost elections that they have, indeed, lost.

Even some of Mr. Trump’s onetime enthusiasts and former top aides have abandoned him on his claims, often with sarcastic derision. “Their basic argument is this was a conspiracy so vast and so successful that there’s no evidence of it,” said John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s third national security adviser, who was ousted last year.

“Now if that’s true, I really want to know who the people are who pulled this off,” he said on Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.” “We need to hire them at the C.I.A.”

David E. Sanger is a national security correspondent. In a 36-year reporting career for The Times, he has been on three teams that have won Pulitzer Prizes, most recently in 2017 for international reporting. His newest book is “The Perfect Weapon: War, Sabotage and Fear in the Cyber Age.” @SangerNYT • Facebook

A version of this article appears in print on Nov. 20, 2020, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: A Desperate Effort to Force the Election in His Favor. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

La presse américaine avait soulevé la question de ''Pardon '' présidentiel pour Trump . En raison des comportements de Trump ces 2 dernieres semaines , il est clair que cette question ne devrait plus être posée .
Trump  a besoin  d’être hospitalisé dans un centre ...

En parlant de comparaison , je mettrais également Moise Jean Charles  à coté de Trump  . Ils ont des symptômes similaires : Narcissique , moi moi  et ...
dit MARC

MARC;
Parlant de JEAN CHARLES MOISE ,je ne lui ai jamais fait confiance.Il est un opportuniste de la pire espece .Il s'est mis a cote de PREVAL quand celui-ci essayait de demanteler FANMI LAVALAS et puis il n'a jamais essaye de defendre ARISTIDE contre les forces  GNBistes.

JEAN CHARLES MOISE est dans la tradition d'un LESLIE MANIGAT sans la subtilite.

Pour ce genre de politiciens "LA FIN JUSTIFIE LES MOYENS" meme si cette FIN n'est pas dans l'interet du pays.

Joel

Moise Jean Charles  est un crétin sonore . Une girouette dont les puissants font tourner en rond . Il est tellement crétin qu'il n'a rien vu . Je suis persuadé qu'on a utilisé ce type pour doubler  certains chefs de partis . Moise Jean Charles est un casseur de partis politiques . Il représente un danger pour la démocratie et le développement économique d’Haïti.