McCain veut un report des debats

McCain seeks to delay debate

Candidate plans to return to Washington Thursday to deal with credit crisis

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Quand on a peur de se faire humilier devant plus de 300 millions de personnes, toutes les raisons sont bonnes pour se sauver!

On appelle ça koken . OBama ne doit pas accepter cette demande.

En meme temps, Obame est "piege". S'il refuse certaines concessions, McCain va l'accuser de ne pas etre patriotique.

Je me demande bien comment il pourra ne pas etre oblige d'accepter sans perdre la face.

Je pense que les américains sont assez intelligents pour comprendre le jeu de Mc Cain. Il a perdu et il essaye de sauver la face en reportant le débat. C'est clair.Je pense que le senateur Obama devra demander plutôt à Mc Cain de changer le lieu du débat à Washington.

Souhaitons que le peuple americain soit assez intelligent (et laisse de cote ses relents racistes) pour faire la meme lecture que l'on fait.

En effet, les racistes commencent à s'agiter serieusement. Il parait qu'on a trouvé sur un campus une photo d'Obama pendue ...

Ça commence! la confrontation est inévitable. D'un côté les republicains ne peuvent pas repeter ce qu'ils ont fait à Al Gore parce qu'ils pourraient declencher des émeutes sans précedent aux USa et d'un autre coté ils veulent tout faire pour gagner . J'ai l'impression avec la demande de Mc Cain aujourd'hui qu'ils vont demander le report des élections du 4 novembre. La crise s'impose.

Non ,Obama ne doit pas accepter la requete de John Mac cain qui comme l'a dit gwotoro a peur d'etre humilié devant 300 millions de spectateurs.Le voleur demande l'annulation du proces;c'est vraiment pathetique.Le debat doit avoir lieu comme prevu.Rien n'empeche au Senateur Mac cain de participer aux debats du Senat et de rencontrer le Senateur Obama au Mississipi Vendredi soir.

mac cain sait très bien le climat politique ne lui est pas favorable ;est-ce pourquoi il veut retarder le debat.S'il etait le gagnant dans les sondages accepterait-il qu'Obama se derobe pour gagner du temps?Mac cain konprann tout moun se enbesil.

Si j'etais Obama, je proposerais de changer le theme du debat pour parler d'economie au lieu de securite nationale.

Obama ne doit pas perdre cette occasion de debattre avec McCain, sinon il perd la face et les elections.

Obama a dit non ;

«Les présidents doivent composer avec plus d’un problème à la fois. Il n’est pas nécessaire de penser que nous pouvons faire seulement une chose à la fois et que nous devons reporter tout le reste.»

Go Obama, bali boula

Malheureusement le président de la commission des débats décide de le reporter en faveur de Mc Bush.

Marc,

J'ai fait le tour des journaux en ligne et aucun ne parle d'un report du debat.

Et il semble que les premiers sondages faits autour de la question soient equivoques: un faible pourcentage (entre 10 et 20%) des gens sondes veut un report du debat.

gwotoro a écrit:Si j'etais Obama, je proposerais de changer le theme du debat pour parler d'economie au lieu de securite nationale.

Obama ne doit pas perdre cette occasion de debattre avec McCain, sinon il perd la face et les elections.

Non Toro,

Mc Cain veut jouer ai plus fin.Il ne veut peut ètre pas avoir 3 débats .Obama va le marteler sur l'Economie ,on soupçonne que mème si le thème est la Sécurité Nationale,Obama y faufilerait l'Economie, comme combien cette sale guerre en Iraq est en train de couter aux contribuables américains et dans quel but..

Le camp Obama n'accepte pas le postponement du débat.
On verra ce qu'on verra!

Non, la Commission maintient l'horaire des débats.Congressman Frank declare que la presence de John Mac Cain et d'Obama n'est pas nécéssaire au Congrès pour resoudre la crise economique et adopter un plan adequat à cette fin.

Mac cain veut temporiser pour permettre un climat economique plus favorable aux Republicians car les sondages sont défavorables à sa candidature.Dans cette conjoncture l'economie doit etre le theme principal du debat car c'est le sujet qui preoccupe la majorite des americains.C'est exactement pour cette raison que Mac cain veut renvoyer le débat.En ecoutant Georges Bush ce soir on a l'impression qu'il responsabilise les CEO des banques pour cette débacle.Goerges Bush essaie de minimiser la responsabilité des Republicains dans cette crise.Je suis heureux que la chaine MSNBC ait rappelé aux americains le scandale des keating 5 pour contrecarer la tactique de John mac cain qui voudrait associer Obama meme au Maire de Detroit qui a demissionné la semaine dernière et un politicien du Kenya.Alors que le banquier Keating ,emprisonné pendant cinq ans fut le protecteur de John mac Cain dans les années 80 et son introducteur dans les salons des riches de l'Arizona.

Je ne serai pas surpris si John Mac Cain ne se présente pas Vendredi soir au Mississipi.On peut detecter la peur dans les yeux de John Mac Cain.L'homme est petrifié d'avoir à débattre Obama dans ces conditions.

:elephant:

"On ne peut pas suspendre une campagne. Cela ne sent pas bon. Les héros ne se comportent pas comme ça, a ensuite ironisé David Letterman. Vous allez faire quoi si vous êtes élu et que les choses se compliquent ? Suspendre la présidence ? On a déjà un mec comme ça !" Letterman

Pendant que McCain annulait son rendez-vous chez Letterman hier arguant qu'il devait se rendre d'urgence a Washington, il est alle accorder une entrevue a CBS.

Je suis content de voir que la grande majorite des medias et de la population americaine ne pas tomber dans le piege de McCain.

Joel,
Par mon commentaire, je ne disais pas que Obama doive accepter de retarder les debats. Au contraire, il doit absolument se presenter pour le debat de vendredi. S'il le faut, on peut meme en changer le theme pour parler d'economie plutot que de securite interieure.

Moi je n'ai aucun probleme, en autant que le debat ait lieu.

Il faut absolument que le lieu ait lieu a la date et a l'heure fixees. Que le sujet soit la securite interieure ou l'economie. De toute facon, avec la debacle economique que vit les USA presentement, il devient tres difficile de defendre l'intervention en Irak qui coute au bas mot 10 milliards de dollars par mois.

Seul un attentat terroriste ou la decouverte "surprise" de Ben Laden peut sauver le camp republicain a mon avis.

Les mauvaises langues disent que le but inavoue de cette demarche de McCain est d'eviter le debat des vice-presidents. Il a propose de tenir le debat de vendredi la semaine prochaine en lieu et place du debat des VP qui serait renvoye a une date ulterieure non encore fixee.

Vous qui habitez les USA, est-ce que la campagne de McCain a vraiment ete suspendue ? Est-ce que les publicites roulent encore ? Que pensent le citoyen oridinaire de cette derniere action de McCain ?

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McCain mum on debate despite bailout plan
Candidate doesn't announce change of mind despite agreement in principle

The Associated Press
updated 11:42 a.m. PT, Thurs., Sept. 25, 2008

WASHINGTON - John McCain’s campaign welcomed news of an agreement in principle on Thursday between congressional Republicans and Democrats on a bailout of the financial industry.


But the Republican wasn’t yet ready to say he would attend the presidential candidates’ first scheduled debate on Friday.

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said: "There’s no deal until there’s a deal."

He said McCain was optimistic an agreement between Congress and the Bush administration would be completed but that the afternoon developments had not changed his plans not to debate.

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, whose state is hosting the debate between McCain and Barack Obama, set for Friday, said planners were moving forward with the first televised match. "This is going to be a great debate," Barbour said.

Meanwhile, McCain and Obama prepared for crisis talks at the White House. Summoned by President Bush, the candidates headed to a meeting with congressional leaders in hopes of securing the legislation to rescue the fragile economy.

The stakes were huge for both presidential contenders: The financial upheaval has become an audition of sorts as each man tries to prove to voters that he would exhibit the best judgment and leadership during a national crisis.

McCain called for his Democratic rival to agree to a debate postponement until Congress agrees on a $700 billion government plan to rescue banks from enormous debt. "It is difficult to act both quickly and wisely, but that is what is required of us right now. Time is short, and doing nothing is not an option," McCain told the Clinton Global Initiative in New York on Thursday.

Obama rebuffed his GOP rival on the debate proposal, saying the next president needs to "deal with more than one thing at once."

'Painful recession'
In a speech to the nation Wednesday night, Bush predicted "a long and painful recession" unless Congress takes quick action, but his prodding of lawmakers appeared incongruous as legislative leaders said they already were near a deal.

"We intend to proceed with a very lean but important stimulus package," Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told NBC News. "It would be very hard for the administration to explain to the American people why we need a $700 billion rescue package for Wall Street when the ramifications of Wall Street's crisis can lead to people losing jobs in the country so we need to address that too."

Bush addressed the nation in a prime-time television slot for the first time in a year, telling citizens "our entire economy is in danger."

And Obama joined his opponent in issuing a statement declaring that American politicians must overcome partisanship or "risk an economic catastrophe."

The heart of the enormous bailout plan involves the government buying up sour assets of shaky financial firms, action designed to keep essential credit markets open and preventing what some fear would be an economic calamity not seen since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

In a brief moment of comity, Obama and McCain issued a joint statement recognizing that the country was facing "a moment of economic crisis" in which "the jobs, savings and prosperity of the American people are at stake." They called the legislation flawed but also said it must not fail.

"Now is a time to come together — Democrats and Republicans — in a spirit of cooperation for the sake of the American people," they said. "This is a time to rise above politics for the good of the country."

But politics remained front and center.

Portraying himself as a bipartisan leader in a time of turmoil, each candidate is carefully navigating the potentially perilous political terrain. Both candidates are trying hard not to appear to be using the situation for political gain — even though politics certainly weighs heavily in every move each makes.


Heated race
Voters — including the 18 percent an AP-Yahoo News poll found are undecided or still could change their minds — certainly are paying close attention with the election little more than five weeks away. And the candidates' postures may tell them a lot about how each would act as president.


Polls show the race competitive, with Obama having a slight advantage in a political landscape that dramatically favors Democrats and appears to be further trending toward them in part because of the intense focus on the economy. Obama leads McCain on that issue.

Neither candidate can afford to simply support fast-tracked legislation; they could be seen as insensitive to taxpayers' concerns about the massive bailout and sweeping government intervention. But they also can't be seen as doing nothing by opposing the measure outright; many economists warn that failing to address the crisis in a meaningful way could plunge the economy into further chaos.

McCain also would certainly leave himself open to criticism that he was again siding with Bush if he supported the administration-backed legislation. However, he also could try to put his own stamp on a Republican Party going through somewhat of an identity crisis; congressional Republicans have suggested they are waiting for a signal from McCain on how to vote.

Behind politic's door
The candidates spoke privately Wednesday drawing up the document, but McCain beat Obama to the punch with the first public statement, saying the Bush plan to prop up the financial community seemed headed for defeat and a bipartisan solution was needed urgently.

"It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the administration's proposal," McCain said. "I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time."

But on Thursday morning, McCain said he was confident that Congress would reach consensus before markets open Monday.


McCain was speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative in New York, saying bipartisan support was needed in both the House and Senate.

He explained plans to return to Washington later in the day by declaring "time is short and doing nothing is not an option."

Democratic Congressman Barney Frank, chairman of the House committee shepherding the bailout plan, said all sides were getting close to a deal and accused McCain of "trying to take credit for something that's already happening without him."

McCain said he had spoken to Bush, a fellow Republican, and asked him to convene a leadership meeting at the White House.

Bush, who rarely calls legislative leaders to push priority projects, took the unusual step of calling Obama personally, said presidential spokeswoman Dana Perino.

'Bipartisan spirit'
Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the senator would attend and "will continue to work in a bipartisan spirit and do whatever is necessary to come up with a final solution."

Regardless, Obama was not bending on his rejection of McCain's attempt to delay their first debate Friday at the University of Mississippi, having declared American voters needed to hear the candidates' views "now more than ever."

"It's my belief that this is exactly the time when the American people need to hear from the person who, in approximately 40 days, will be responsible for dealing with this mess," Obama said.

McCain said he was putting the good of the country ahead of politics, but his announcement was clearly a political move — an attempt to outmaneuver Obama on an issue — the economy — that has been hurting the Republican's standing in the polls.

While McCain said he would "suspend" his campaign, including advertising and fundraising, it simply will move to Washington where the four-term senator will remain in the spotlight, regardless.

Political maneuverings
Obama repeatedly stressed at his news conference that he called McCain first to propose that they issue a joint statement in support of a package to help fix the economy as soon as possible. He said McCain called back several hours later and agreed to the idea of a statement but also said he wanted to postpone the debate and hold joint meetings in Washington.


"When I got back to the hotel, he had gone on television to announce what he was going to do," Obama said.

Stephen Wayne, professor of government at Georgetown University in Washington, said he understood McCain's attempt to put off the debate — which was intended to focus on foreign policy — because the U.S. economic crisis was likely to "swallow up McCain's strength on international relations."

In rejecting a debate delay, Obama also declined to join McCain in suspending campaign activities, and noted both he and his opponent had jets that could get them to Washington very quickly if their presence were needed. He said he had been in daily contact with congressional leaders and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, and didn't see an immediate need for his presence.


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Se youn ti moun ki fek fet selman ki ka pa konprann jwet Mac Cain lan.Lè youn moun ki vle presidan kanpe nan Televisyon epi li di Fondamantal ekonomi ya solid epi menm pi piti ouvriye nan peyi ya konnen se manti e byen ou pèdi tout kredibilite devan moun ki ka panse.Ki jan pou fè paret pou debat youn moun tankou Obama apre ou finn montre tout moun ke w pa wè pi lwen pase pwent nen w.Nanpren moun ki mande Mac cain pou li metrise ekonomi yan byen men youn moun ki pa genyen menm bon sans pa ka vle presidan youn peyi tankou Eta zuni nan XXIeme syek saa.

mac cain ap pale de siksè serj an iraq lan ,bon si serj la se youn siksè vre poukisa twoup yo pa komanse retounnen lakay yo ,poukisa gouvenman an dwe kontinye ap depanse 10 bilyon dola pa mwa nan youn moman ke ekonomi ya ap eforndre?mwen tande nan MSNBC depi ke Sadham te natyonalise insdistri Petrol la an Iraq se mwa saa ke youn konpayi ameriken resi retounen an Iraq pou yo fè eksploratyon.Nan youn moman ke tout syantis rekonet ke se boule gasolinn ak lwil ki la kos ke planet rechofe e ke genyen lot alternatif nou ka itilise pou diminye efè CO2 nan atmosfè eske se vre li te nesesè pou tout moun sa yo mouri pou lwil?Menm malgre siksè li di ki genyen an Iraq alor ke Irakyen yo menm mande pou ameriken kite peyi ya an 2010 ,Georges Bush ak Mac Cain di fok yo rete jis an 2011 malgre ke la gè ya koute plis pase 10 bilyon dola pa mwa.

menm Repibliken ki krase ekonomi peyi ya se yo koulyè ya ki ap pran poz se peyi yap mete devan pou yo sispann kanpay presidantyel yo .Gen lè Mac cain konprann li ka twompe tout moun tou tan.Yo pat ka wè ke youn peyi ki an gè pat ka pab desann taks pou tout moun rich sa yo nan wall street?Jodya apre ke moun sa yo finn mete tout gwo bizniss an bankwout ak gwo apwnetman e frè ke yo genyen Bush pa jwen sa pou li fè se mande pou pep la peye po kase ya.Youn CEO ap kite job kom chef Home Depot li soti ak youn bann milyon dola kom konpansatyon epi yo bal dwa poul achte sa li vle nan konpayi ya gratis ti cheri pou jis li mouri.Se moun sa yo ki kraze ekonomi peyi ya epi se yo ki pa pran poz sovè jodya. ala Repibliken yo se blofè.Map gade Bush nan televisyon yè swa an verite map mande si li pap ri nan kè li.Mwen pa kwè baril lwil tap vann 30 dola lè Bush pran pouvwa jodya li a 100 dola epik ,lè w konsidere kantite lajan li koute ameriken pou yo chofe kay yo, pou yo achte gasolinn.konbyen la gè sa koute epi Bush li menm retire taks sou l;ajan gran manjè yo alor mwen pa kwè youn moun beswen Adam Smith pou konprann rezon ki fè ekonomi ya efrondre.Men Mac cain di :fondman ekonomi yan an form.

Mwen tande yap di ke Mac cain se youn eksper nan zafè internatyonal si se vre e byen eta zuni genyen anpil pwoblem si boum boum Mac cain poum repete Mo Ron Paul la vinn presidan.

I was watching Larry King's program last night .To tell you the truth I do not know for which candidate Bill Clinton will vote in November.Bill Clinton can not say openly that he supports Mac Cain because that will jeopardize his wife reelection in New York ,but I do not think that he will vote for Obama.He was trying to justify his admiration for John mac cain by evoking the time Mac cain spent in prison,but he disagrees with him on economic and the war.These are the two most important issues of this election ,why then Bill Clinton is praising John Mac Cain so much.Is it because they share the same skin color and country ?I can not see anjything else that John Mac cain has in common with Bill Clinton if the latter is not a hypocrite.

Listening to Bill Clinton last night reminds me of an advice a friend gave me long time ago:"It is not what a politician says that is important ,but what he does."I think this election will prove whether or not Judge Clarence Thomas is right when he writes in his memoir about the hypocrisy of some democrats.

Mon cher

je partage entierement votre opinion.Peut-etre Bill Clinton pense sa femme aura une meilleure chance en 2012 si Mac Cain gagne les elections cette année.Meme ma femme fut degoutée de l'attitude de Bill Clinton hier soir.