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Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
Un projet de loi a ete recemment depose au Congres americain pour constituer une commission d'enquete sur le coup d'etat de 2004 contre Aristide.
Pensez-vous que cette commission d'enquete verra le jour et que l'enquete sera menee?
Pensez-vous que cette commission d'enquete verra le jour et que l'enquete sera menee?
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gwotoro a écrit:Un projet de loi a ete recemment depose au Congres americain pour constituer une commission d'enquete sur le coup d'etat de 2004 contre Aristide.
Pensez-vous que cette commission d'enquete verra le jour et que l'enquete sera menee?
Absolument Gwotoro.
OBAMA a peur d'une enquète sur la guerre de l'Irak;parce que certains sénateurs menacent d'accuser les 'Bushies" d'actes de torture.
Obama ne veut pas de cette enquète,parce qu'il y a menace d'emprisonnement pour une personnalité du rang de DICK CHENEY.
Je suis certain que l'enquète sur le coup d'état de 2004 se fera.
Tout simplement,il n'y avait pas de menaces aux intérèts vitaux des Etats Unis en haiti.
Obama doit satisfaire sa base ;il se frotterait les mains si cette enquète prendrait place ,peut ètre que les Sénateurs oublieraient l'Irak.
Je crois qu'il y a une probabilité de 9 sur une échelle de 10 que cette enquète aura lieu.
Surtout ce sont des Députés comme MAXINE WATERS qui avait visité ARISTIDE EN Afrique du Sud ,John Conyers un ancien membre ,un leveur de fond pour la fondation Aristide,Charles Rangel;ce sont eux qui controlent lec comités au Congrès
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Je ne suis pas si optimiste car le President des etats-unis a declaré:"je ne veux pas regarder en arriere."de plus cette commission ne pourra pas devoiler certains crimes qui causeraient un embarras pour le gouvernement.le Senateur Lehy ne fera pas long feu.On lui fera comprendre la menace que constitue cette commission pour la securité des etats-unis.
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Chers amis soyons serieux !Le monde est totalement boulverse avec la crise economique...Ce n'est vraiment pas le temps pour des niaseries ...Certes il y a certains gros interets , mais aussi gros pour changer le sens de l'histoire...
Je suis tres heureux de retrouver G T un ponce Piltate ici qui ne dit jamais rien sur les accusations contre notre bien aime presiden R G Preval...comme quoi il est un GNBISTE.
Il n'a pas eu de coup d etat C"EST UNE CORRECTION ANTI DEMOCRATIQUE DE LA DEMOCRATIE ........
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Rodlam Sans Malice a écrit:Je ne suis pas si optimiste car le President des etats-unis a declaré:"je ne veux pas regarder en arriere."de plus cette commission ne pourra pas devoiler certains crimes qui causeraient un embarras pour le gouvernement.le Senateur Lehy ne fera pas long feu.On lui fera comprendre la menace que constitue cette commission pour la securité des etats-unis.
Malis,
Nous parlons de deux différentes commissions.La commission de LEAHY est sur l'IRAK.
Oui,cette commission mettrait en danger la Sécurité des Etats Unis,car n'oublions pas qu'il y a toujours plus de 100 mille hommes de troupe en IRAK.
N'oublions pas l'Afghanistan et l'Iran.
Ce n'est pas le cas pour Haiti.La sécurité des Etats Unis n'est EN AUCUN cas en danger en HAITI.
Au contraire,le coup de 2004 a déstabilisé le pays ,ceux qui ont commis le coup d'Etat n'ont pas avancé d'un iota les intérèts américains ,comme disait l'autre ,ils l'ont reculé.
C'est une occasion en or pour cette commission ;embarasser la dernière administration ,sans mettre en jeu les intérèts américains
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To establish the Independent Commission on the
2004 Coup d'Etat in the Republic of Haiti.
(Introduced in House)
HR 331 IH
111th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 331
To establish the Independent Commission on the 2004 Coup d'Etat in the Republic of Haiti.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 8, 2009
Ms. LEE of California (for herself, Mr. KUCINICH, Mr. RANGEL, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. FATTAH, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. PAYNE, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY, and Mr. HONDA) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs
A BILL
To establish the Independent Commission on the 2004 Coup d'Etat in the Republic of Haiti.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. ESTABLISHMENT OF COMMISSION.
There is established in the legislative branch the Independent Commission on the 2004 Coup d'Etat in the Republic of Haiti (in this Act referred to as the `Commission').
SEC. 2. DUTIES.
(a) Duties- The Commission shall examine and evaluate the role of the United States Government in the February 2004 coup d'etat in the Republic of Haiti. In carrying out the preceding sentence, the Commission shall examine and evaluate the following:
(1) The extent to which the United States Government impeded the democratic process in Haiti, including the extent to which actions and policies of the United States Government contributed to the overthrow of the democratically-elected Government of Haiti.
(2) The circumstances under which Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide resigned his office and went into exile in the Central African Republic, including the role of the United States Government in such resignation and exile.
(3) In the events leading up to the coup d'etat, the extent to which the United States Government fulfilled its obligations under article 17 of the Organization of American States (OAS) Inter-American Democratic Charter requiring that each OAS member country come to the aid of another OAS government under attack.
(4) The extent to which the United States Government impeded efforts by the international community, particularly efforts by Caribbean Community (CARICOM) countries, to prevent the overthrow of the democratically-elected Government of Haiti.
(5) The role of the United States Government in influencing decisions regarding Haiti at the United Nations Security Council and in discussions between Haiti and other countries that were willing to assist in the preservation of the democratically-elected Government of Haiti by sending security forces to Haiti.
(6) The extent to which United States assistance was provided or United States personnel were used to support, directly or indirectly, the forces opposed to the government of President Aristide, including the extent to which United States bilateral assistance was channeled through nongovernmental organizations that were directly or indirectly associated with political groups actively involved in fomenting hostilities or violence toward the government of President Aristide.
(7) The involvement of the Central Intelligence Agency, directly or indirectly, in operations that contributed to the overthrow of the democratically-elected Government of Haiti.
( The impact of the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, and other organizations funded by the United States Agency for International Development on the political process in Haiti.
(9) The political and economic impact on Haiti of the decision by the United States Government to discontinue all United States bilateral assistance to Haiti and United States efforts to block loans and support for Haiti from international financial institutions.
(10) The broader implications for Haiti and the Caribbean region of the events culminating in the coup d'etat.
(b) Scope of Duties- In carrying out the duties described in subsection (a), the Commission may examine the actions and representations of the current Administration as well as prior Administrations.
SEC. 3. COMPOSITION OF COMMISSION.
(a) Members- The Commission shall be composed of 10 members, of whom--
(1) 3 members shall be appointed by the majority leader of the Senate;
(2) 2 members shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives;
(3) 2 members shall be appointed by the minority leader of the Senate; and
(4) 3 members shall be appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives.
(b) Qualification Requirement; Deadline for Appointment; Meetings-
(1) NONGOVERNMENTAL APPOINTEES- An individual appointed to the Commission may not be an officer or employee of the Federal Government or any State or local government.
(2) DEADLINE FOR APPOINTMENT- All members of the Commission shall be appointed not later than 45 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
(3) MEETINGS- The Commission shall meet at the call of the Chairperson or a majority of its members.
(c) Chairperson; Vice Chairperson- The Chairperson and Vice Chairperson of the Commission shall be elected by the members of the Commission.
(d) Quorum; Vacancies- Six members of the Commission shall constitute a quorum. Any vacancy in the Commission shall not affect its powers, but shall be filled in the same manner in which the original appointment was made.
SEC. 4. POWERS OF COMMISSION.
(a) Hearings and Sessions-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall, for the purpose of carrying out this Act, hold public hearings and meetings to the extent appropriate, sit and act at times and places, take testimony, and receive evidence as the Commission considers appropriate.
(2) ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS-
(A) PUBLIC HEARINGS- Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order.
(B) PUBLIC VERSIONS OF REPORTS- The Commission shall release public versions of the reports required under section 8.
(b) Subpoena Power-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission may issue a subpoena to require the attendance and testimony of witnesses and the production of evidence relating to any matter under investigation by the Commission.
(2) FAILURE TO OBEY AN ORDER OR SUBPOENA- If a person refuses to obey a subpoena issued under paragraph (1), the Commission may apply to a United States district court for an order requiring that person to appear before the Commission to give testimony, produce evidence, or both, relating to the matter under investigation. The application may be made within the judicial district where the hearing is conducted or where that person is found, resides, or transacts business. Any failure to obey the order of the court may be punished by the court as civil contempt.
(3) SERVICE OF SUBPOENAS- The subpoenas of the Commission shall be served in the manner provided for subpoenas issued by a United States district court under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure for the United States district courts.
(c) Contract Authority- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties of this Act.
(d) Information From Federal Agencies- The Commission may secure directly from any Federal department or agency information necessary to enable it to carry out this Act. Upon request of the Chairperson of the Commission, the head of that department or agency shall provide that information to the Commission.
(e) Assistance From Federal Agencies-
(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION- The Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a reimbursable basis administrative support and other services for the performance of the Commission's duties.
(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance described in paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, staff, and other support services as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.
(f) Gifts- The Commission may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property.
(g) Postal Services- The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.
SEC. 5. STAFF OF COMMISSION.
(a) Appointment and Compensation- The Chairperson of the Commission, in consultation with the Vice Chairperson of the Commission, in accordance with rules agreed upon by the Commission, may appoint and fix the compensation of a staff director and such other personnel as may be necessary to enable the Commission to carry out its duties, without regard to the provisions of title 5, United States Code, governing appointments in the competitive service, and without regard to the provisions of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 of such Act relating to classification and General Schedule pay rates, except that no rate of pay fixed under this subsection may exceed the equivalent of that payable for a position at level V of the Executive Schedule under section 5316 of title 5, United States Code.
(b) Detailees- Any Federal Government employee may be detailed to the Commission without reimbursement from the Commission, and such detailee shall retain the rights, status, and privileges of his or her regular employment without interruption.
(c) Consultant Services- The Commission is authorized to procure the services of experts and consultants in accordance with section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, but at rates not to exceed the daily rate paid a person occupying a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code.
SEC. 6. COMPENSATION AND TRAVEL EXPENSES.
(a) Compensation- Each member of the Commission may be compensated at a rate not to exceed the daily equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay in effect for a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code, for each day during which that member is engaged in the actual performance of the duties of the Commission.
(b) Travel Expenses- While away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission, members of the Commission shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, in the same manner as persons employed intermittently in the Government service are allowed expenses under section 5703 of title 5, United States Code.
SEC. 7. SECURITY CLEARANCES FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS AND STAFF.
(a) In General- Subject to subsection (b), the appropriate Federal agencies or departments shall cooperate with the Commission in expeditiously providing to the Commission members and staff appropriate security clearances to the extent possible pursuant to existing procedures and requirements.
(b) Exception- No person shall be provided with access to classified information under this Act without the appropriate required security clearance access.
SEC. 8. REPORTS OF COMMISSION; TERMINATION.
(a) Interim Reports- The Commission may submit to Congress and the President interim reports containing such findings, conclusions, and recommendations for corrective measures as have been agreed to by a majority of Commission members.
(b) Final Report- Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Commission shall submit to Congress and the President a final report containing such findings, conclusions, and recommendations for corrective measures as have been agreed to by a majority of Commission members.
(c) Form of Report- Each report prepared under this section shall be submitted in unclassified form, but may contain a classified annex.
SEC. 9. TERMINATION.
(a) In General- The Commission, and all the authorities of this Act, shall terminate 60 days after the date on which the final report is submitted under section 8(b).
(b) Administrative Activities Before Termination- The Commission may use the 60-day period referred to in paragraph (1) for the purpose of concluding its activities, including providing testimony to committees of Congress concerning its reports and disseminating the final report.
SEC. 10. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
(a) In General- There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this Act $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2010.
(b) Availability- Amounts appropriated pursuant to the authorization of appropriations under subsection (a) are authorized to remain available until the date on which the Commission terminates pursuant to section 9(a).
2004 Coup d'Etat in the Republic of Haiti.
(Introduced in House)
HR 331 IH
111th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 331
To establish the Independent Commission on the 2004 Coup d'Etat in the Republic of Haiti.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 8, 2009
Ms. LEE of California (for herself, Mr. KUCINICH, Mr. RANGEL, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. FATTAH, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. PAYNE, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY, and Mr. HONDA) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs
A BILL
To establish the Independent Commission on the 2004 Coup d'Etat in the Republic of Haiti.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. ESTABLISHMENT OF COMMISSION.
There is established in the legislative branch the Independent Commission on the 2004 Coup d'Etat in the Republic of Haiti (in this Act referred to as the `Commission').
SEC. 2. DUTIES.
(a) Duties- The Commission shall examine and evaluate the role of the United States Government in the February 2004 coup d'etat in the Republic of Haiti. In carrying out the preceding sentence, the Commission shall examine and evaluate the following:
(1) The extent to which the United States Government impeded the democratic process in Haiti, including the extent to which actions and policies of the United States Government contributed to the overthrow of the democratically-elected Government of Haiti.
(2) The circumstances under which Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide resigned his office and went into exile in the Central African Republic, including the role of the United States Government in such resignation and exile.
(3) In the events leading up to the coup d'etat, the extent to which the United States Government fulfilled its obligations under article 17 of the Organization of American States (OAS) Inter-American Democratic Charter requiring that each OAS member country come to the aid of another OAS government under attack.
(4) The extent to which the United States Government impeded efforts by the international community, particularly efforts by Caribbean Community (CARICOM) countries, to prevent the overthrow of the democratically-elected Government of Haiti.
(5) The role of the United States Government in influencing decisions regarding Haiti at the United Nations Security Council and in discussions between Haiti and other countries that were willing to assist in the preservation of the democratically-elected Government of Haiti by sending security forces to Haiti.
(6) The extent to which United States assistance was provided or United States personnel were used to support, directly or indirectly, the forces opposed to the government of President Aristide, including the extent to which United States bilateral assistance was channeled through nongovernmental organizations that were directly or indirectly associated with political groups actively involved in fomenting hostilities or violence toward the government of President Aristide.
(7) The involvement of the Central Intelligence Agency, directly or indirectly, in operations that contributed to the overthrow of the democratically-elected Government of Haiti.
( The impact of the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, and other organizations funded by the United States Agency for International Development on the political process in Haiti.
(9) The political and economic impact on Haiti of the decision by the United States Government to discontinue all United States bilateral assistance to Haiti and United States efforts to block loans and support for Haiti from international financial institutions.
(10) The broader implications for Haiti and the Caribbean region of the events culminating in the coup d'etat.
(b) Scope of Duties- In carrying out the duties described in subsection (a), the Commission may examine the actions and representations of the current Administration as well as prior Administrations.
SEC. 3. COMPOSITION OF COMMISSION.
(a) Members- The Commission shall be composed of 10 members, of whom--
(1) 3 members shall be appointed by the majority leader of the Senate;
(2) 2 members shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives;
(3) 2 members shall be appointed by the minority leader of the Senate; and
(4) 3 members shall be appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives.
(b) Qualification Requirement; Deadline for Appointment; Meetings-
(1) NONGOVERNMENTAL APPOINTEES- An individual appointed to the Commission may not be an officer or employee of the Federal Government or any State or local government.
(2) DEADLINE FOR APPOINTMENT- All members of the Commission shall be appointed not later than 45 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
(3) MEETINGS- The Commission shall meet at the call of the Chairperson or a majority of its members.
(c) Chairperson; Vice Chairperson- The Chairperson and Vice Chairperson of the Commission shall be elected by the members of the Commission.
(d) Quorum; Vacancies- Six members of the Commission shall constitute a quorum. Any vacancy in the Commission shall not affect its powers, but shall be filled in the same manner in which the original appointment was made.
SEC. 4. POWERS OF COMMISSION.
(a) Hearings and Sessions-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall, for the purpose of carrying out this Act, hold public hearings and meetings to the extent appropriate, sit and act at times and places, take testimony, and receive evidence as the Commission considers appropriate.
(2) ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS-
(A) PUBLIC HEARINGS- Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order.
(B) PUBLIC VERSIONS OF REPORTS- The Commission shall release public versions of the reports required under section 8.
(b) Subpoena Power-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission may issue a subpoena to require the attendance and testimony of witnesses and the production of evidence relating to any matter under investigation by the Commission.
(2) FAILURE TO OBEY AN ORDER OR SUBPOENA- If a person refuses to obey a subpoena issued under paragraph (1), the Commission may apply to a United States district court for an order requiring that person to appear before the Commission to give testimony, produce evidence, or both, relating to the matter under investigation. The application may be made within the judicial district where the hearing is conducted or where that person is found, resides, or transacts business. Any failure to obey the order of the court may be punished by the court as civil contempt.
(3) SERVICE OF SUBPOENAS- The subpoenas of the Commission shall be served in the manner provided for subpoenas issued by a United States district court under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure for the United States district courts.
(c) Contract Authority- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties of this Act.
(d) Information From Federal Agencies- The Commission may secure directly from any Federal department or agency information necessary to enable it to carry out this Act. Upon request of the Chairperson of the Commission, the head of that department or agency shall provide that information to the Commission.
(e) Assistance From Federal Agencies-
(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION- The Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a reimbursable basis administrative support and other services for the performance of the Commission's duties.
(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance described in paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, staff, and other support services as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.
(f) Gifts- The Commission may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property.
(g) Postal Services- The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.
SEC. 5. STAFF OF COMMISSION.
(a) Appointment and Compensation- The Chairperson of the Commission, in consultation with the Vice Chairperson of the Commission, in accordance with rules agreed upon by the Commission, may appoint and fix the compensation of a staff director and such other personnel as may be necessary to enable the Commission to carry out its duties, without regard to the provisions of title 5, United States Code, governing appointments in the competitive service, and without regard to the provisions of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 of such Act relating to classification and General Schedule pay rates, except that no rate of pay fixed under this subsection may exceed the equivalent of that payable for a position at level V of the Executive Schedule under section 5316 of title 5, United States Code.
(b) Detailees- Any Federal Government employee may be detailed to the Commission without reimbursement from the Commission, and such detailee shall retain the rights, status, and privileges of his or her regular employment without interruption.
(c) Consultant Services- The Commission is authorized to procure the services of experts and consultants in accordance with section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, but at rates not to exceed the daily rate paid a person occupying a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code.
SEC. 6. COMPENSATION AND TRAVEL EXPENSES.
(a) Compensation- Each member of the Commission may be compensated at a rate not to exceed the daily equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay in effect for a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code, for each day during which that member is engaged in the actual performance of the duties of the Commission.
(b) Travel Expenses- While away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission, members of the Commission shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, in the same manner as persons employed intermittently in the Government service are allowed expenses under section 5703 of title 5, United States Code.
SEC. 7. SECURITY CLEARANCES FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS AND STAFF.
(a) In General- Subject to subsection (b), the appropriate Federal agencies or departments shall cooperate with the Commission in expeditiously providing to the Commission members and staff appropriate security clearances to the extent possible pursuant to existing procedures and requirements.
(b) Exception- No person shall be provided with access to classified information under this Act without the appropriate required security clearance access.
SEC. 8. REPORTS OF COMMISSION; TERMINATION.
(a) Interim Reports- The Commission may submit to Congress and the President interim reports containing such findings, conclusions, and recommendations for corrective measures as have been agreed to by a majority of Commission members.
(b) Final Report- Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Commission shall submit to Congress and the President a final report containing such findings, conclusions, and recommendations for corrective measures as have been agreed to by a majority of Commission members.
(c) Form of Report- Each report prepared under this section shall be submitted in unclassified form, but may contain a classified annex.
SEC. 9. TERMINATION.
(a) In General- The Commission, and all the authorities of this Act, shall terminate 60 days after the date on which the final report is submitted under section 8(b).
(b) Administrative Activities Before Termination- The Commission may use the 60-day period referred to in paragraph (1) for the purpose of concluding its activities, including providing testimony to committees of Congress concerning its reports and disseminating the final report.
SEC. 10. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
(a) In General- There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this Act $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2010.
(b) Availability- Amounts appropriated pursuant to the authorization of appropriations under subsection (a) are authorized to remain available until the date on which the Commission terminates pursuant to section 9(a).
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Quelles sont les chances...? 0%.
En 1994, l'administration américaine, Clinton un démocrate, avait décidé d'effacer publiquement les noms des citoyens américains impliqués dans le coup d'état de 1991 (ces noms figuraient dans le document de FRAPH).
Alors, pourquoi, aujourd'hui , devraient-ils changer leur manière d'agir envers nous?
Kale je nou.
En 1994, l'administration américaine, Clinton un démocrate, avait décidé d'effacer publiquement les noms des citoyens américains impliqués dans le coup d'état de 1991 (ces noms figuraient dans le document de FRAPH).
Alors, pourquoi, aujourd'hui , devraient-ils changer leur manière d'agir envers nous?
Kale je nou.
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Re: Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
Moi aussi, plus je lis le projet de loi et moins, je crois aux chances de cette commission d'enquete de voir le jour...
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gwotoro a écrit:Moi aussi, plus je lis le projet de loi et moins, je crois aux chances de cette commission d'enquete de voir le jour...
Gwotoro,
Depi mwen ap li w sou sit sa a ;mwen remake ke ou gen tandans kwè ke politik ameriken inifòm,li pa varye.
Se pa vre.
Mwen menm m ap swiv ankèt komisyon sa yo depi lanne 70s yo ;Lan anne 70s yo ye genyen komisyon CHURCH ki te devwale kouman koudeta kont SALVADOR ALLENDE an te fèt.
Menm direktè CIA an a lepòk di kijan li te pran lòd lan men Nixon ak Kissinger ;jan yo rele "plausible deniability".
HELMS te mouri dwòl ,men se yon lòt koze.
Te genyen yon lòt komisyon ki te devwale kouman CIA te rantre lan zafè dwòg pou li te jwenn lajan pou li te ame kontra yo ,lè kongrè Demokrat lan a lepòk te refize bay lajan pou sa.
Bagay sa a te tèlman fè bri;Maxine Waters te mande anraje.
Direktè CIA an te blije al Kalifòni devan yon meeting popilè pou li di ke se pa t vre ,yo te manke pran misye ak grap.
Annou pran CLINTON.An 1994 Repibliken yo te pran kontwòl e La Chanm lan e Sena a.Clinton te lan yon kamizòl.
Se pa menm bagay lan jounen jodi an.Pa gen gè frèt e Demokrat yo an kontwòl,yo preske genyen "veto proof" lan Sena a.
Se pa menm bagay ,done yo chanje ;e mesye pinga nou konprann politik etranjè Etazini pa chanje e pafwa drastikman.
Se bagay sa a anpil nan nou ayisyen pa konprann e se sa ki ka fè pèt anpil lan nou
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Re: Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
Nèg ki doute ke ankèt sou koudeta 2004 lan gen dwa pa fèt lan Kongrè an.
Ayè ankèt sou entèvansyon ann Irak lan kòmanse malgre OBAMA pa fin twò dakò sou bagay sa a .
Mesye yo di kareman ,y ap ekzèse prerogativ yo.
Kote w wè ke mesye yo pa lan rans ,genyen youn lan temwen yo ki alapapòt te di ke an Janvye 2001 e Janvye 2009 te gen yon diktati lan peyi Etazini an.
Kididonk si ann Irak gen enterè serye Etazini ki toujou an je ,mesye yo genlè pa lan kase fèy kouvri sa ,alòs se pa ann Ayiti kote yo preske pa gen enterè pou yo ta pè mete kakachat deyò
Ayè ankèt sou entèvansyon ann Irak lan kòmanse malgre OBAMA pa fin twò dakò sou bagay sa a .
Mesye yo di kareman ,y ap ekzèse prerogativ yo.
Kote w wè ke mesye yo pa lan rans ,genyen youn lan temwen yo ki alapapòt te di ke an Janvye 2001 e Janvye 2009 te gen yon diktati lan peyi Etazini an.
Kididonk si ann Irak gen enterè serye Etazini ki toujou an je ,mesye yo genlè pa lan kase fèy kouvri sa ,alòs se pa ann Ayiti kote yo preske pa gen enterè pou yo ta pè mete kakachat deyò
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Re: Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
Joel,
Etes-vous certain que l'enquete sur la guerre en Irak a commence?
Je trouve etonnant qu'aucun journal montrealais n'en parle. Meme CNN et MSNBC n'en font pas mention...
Etes-vous certain que l'enquete sur la guerre en Irak a commence?
Je trouve etonnant qu'aucun journal montrealais n'en parle. Meme CNN et MSNBC n'en font pas mention...
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Re: Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
gwotoro a écrit:Joel,
Etes-vous certain que l'enquete sur la guerre en Irak a commence?
Je trouve etonnant qu'aucun journal montrealais n'en parle. Meme CNN et MSNBC n'en font pas mention...
Gwotoro,
Sans doute, Joel se base sur l'interpellation de Karl Rove par le Congrès américain pour croire à cette illusion.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/04/congress.justice/index.html?iref=newssearch
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Re: Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
Prezidan Salvador Allende ak tout patizan li yo te konbat koudetaist yo e lite batay jiskaske li mouri nan palais a.Joel di: Mwen menm m ap swiv ankèt komisyon sa yo depi lanne 70s yo ;Lan anne 70s yo ye genyen komisyon CHURCH ki te devwale kouman koudeta kont SALVADOR ALLENDE an te fèt.
Donk evenmen sa gen yon konmansman e yon fin.
Koudeta Fevrye 2004 la, Prezidan Aristide kite akte principal nan evenman sayo vivan toujou.
Se pat lantouraj, ni voltije mi ambassad ke lit e pran. Li pati kite peyi d’Ayiti nan avyon koudetaist yo.
Swa ke prezidan te pati volonterman ou byen swa ke yo te kidnape’l pwoblem nan se ke li pati kite yon peyi san dirijan.
Nap bay Prezidan benefit of the doubt e nap dako ke se kidnape ke yo te kidnape'l.
Donk avek temwayaj sa, nap di ke kidnaping se yon zak kriminel ki pini pa la lwa.
Donk pep ayisyen ki viktim fet pou mande jistis devan l’ONU e fok pep ayisyen akize Afrik di Sid tou de konplisite e konnivans avek kidnaper yo kite vinn lague yon victim lakay yo e aksepte sa san objeksyon.
Paske si yon kidnape vinn lague yon victim lakay mwen e mwen pa aveti la polis, paran victim yo e la jistis kap akize’m de konplisite. Donk gouvenman Afrik di Sid gen lakay li yon viktim "kidnaping" e fok yo vinn di ki jan yo fe aksepte sa??
Sou nou vle menen anket, an nou menen anket e fok nou kommanse pa viktim yo kom yo vivan toujou pou yo vinn temwaye nan tribinal e answit rele kidnape yo grenn pa grenn devan tribinal pou yo vinn jistifye zak yo a.
Fok pep la rele devan la jistis Yvon Neptune, Premye Minist la pou li vinn di nou ki pozisyon li pandan e apre evenman Fevrye 2004 la ? Kijan fe ke li pat pran la relev kom sa mande ?
Pou li vinn detaye evenman yo jou pou jou de depa prezidan Aristide jiska arive Gerard Latortue nan palais a.
Answit nap passe pran tout lot moun kite nan konplo sa.
Nou vle menen anket, an nou mennen anket dan lod e san dezod e san pati pri!!
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Re: Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
Revelatyon
ou vle ke pep ayisyen akise afrik di sid paske yo ba Aristide refij?sa fè 5 lane depi yap nouri ,loje, pran swen de li ak tout fanmi li epi ou pa wè sa pou mande ke ayisyen akise Sid afriken yo.Poukisa ou pa mande pou yo jije malpouwont yo ki kite se sid afriken yo ki ap ba Aristide manje ak tout fanmi yo tandis ke yo genyen kont pwoblem yo.jou ayisyen a genyen yon moun serye a la tet peyi ya, fok yo ba yon lekol pote non Presidan M.Beki.
Mwen doute ke ap genyen yon anket sou kou deta ki fet an 2004 paske ameriken pa anbarase ameriken parey yo pou sa yo fè nan lot peyi .Nou ka wè ke Obama pa enterese nan bagay konsa.Lehy ap rele Karl Rowe pou sa ki pase o Zeta Zuni.men konprann ke kongrè meriken pral jije Geoges Bush ak Dick Cheney ak Collin powell pou kou deta an ayiti mwen pa kwè nan sa.Mwen pa konnen sa ki pase men ou pa tande Maxime Walters pale de bagay saa ankor.Ni Charles Rangel.Sonje ke Collin Powell te di ke Maxime Walters te dwe konsilte Depatman deta anvan li te koute Aristide.Mwen pa di ke yo pa kraponnen Aristide poul kite pouvwa a non, men mwen pa kwè nan kidnaping la.
ou vle ke pep ayisyen akise afrik di sid paske yo ba Aristide refij?sa fè 5 lane depi yap nouri ,loje, pran swen de li ak tout fanmi li epi ou pa wè sa pou mande ke ayisyen akise Sid afriken yo.Poukisa ou pa mande pou yo jije malpouwont yo ki kite se sid afriken yo ki ap ba Aristide manje ak tout fanmi yo tandis ke yo genyen kont pwoblem yo.jou ayisyen a genyen yon moun serye a la tet peyi ya, fok yo ba yon lekol pote non Presidan M.Beki.
Mwen doute ke ap genyen yon anket sou kou deta ki fet an 2004 paske ameriken pa anbarase ameriken parey yo pou sa yo fè nan lot peyi .Nou ka wè ke Obama pa enterese nan bagay konsa.Lehy ap rele Karl Rowe pou sa ki pase o Zeta Zuni.men konprann ke kongrè meriken pral jije Geoges Bush ak Dick Cheney ak Collin powell pou kou deta an ayiti mwen pa kwè nan sa.Mwen pa konnen sa ki pase men ou pa tande Maxime Walters pale de bagay saa ankor.Ni Charles Rangel.Sonje ke Collin Powell te di ke Maxime Walters te dwe konsilte Depatman deta anvan li te koute Aristide.Mwen pa di ke yo pa kraponnen Aristide poul kite pouvwa a non, men mwen pa kwè nan kidnaping la.
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Re: Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
Se pa ni kweyon, ni plim, ni liv lekol ke MBeki te voye bay pep ayisyen!!Rod di: jou ayisyen a genyen yon moun serye a la tet peyi ya, fok yo ba yon lekol pote non Presidan M.Beki.
Pou'm rafrechi memwa'w, Mbeki te voye yon bato chaje ak gwo zamm fand fwa avek riot gear nan peyi d’Ayiti pou te touye Ayisyen.
Herezman, bato sa te bloke jamayik se sak fe ke anpil sang pat koule!!
E w ta bati yon lekol ki pote nom MBeki!! Mesi mon fre pou sigjestyon sa.
Nou gen anpil wout pou'n fe anko!
Donk si w pa kwe nan kidnaping sa, prezidan Aristide gen dwa kite kote ke li ye la le li vle e jan li vle san restriksyon!!Rod akize prezidan Aristide de mensonger, faux et trompeur et de se laisser kraponner si facilement!!
Le lidi ke Mwen pa di ke yo pa kraponnen Aristide poul kite pouvwa a non, men mwen pa kwè nan kidnaping la!!
Fok l'Afrik di Sid ankouraje prezidan Aristide tounnen lakay li al jwen pep li.
Condi Rice pa la anko kom Sekrete Deta US!!
Se Makone'l Hillary Clinton ki la konnyen la.
Revelasyon
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Re: Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
Prezidan Obama, jou li te onigire a, te di ke limenm li pa lan gade deye, se devan kote li vle ale a ki enterese l. Mr. Obama pale de tet ansanm ak repilbliken yo pou fè ajandan l pase lan kongrè meriken an. Wi, pou satisfè kelke manb Blak Kokis yo ki fè dè milyon de dola lan fè lòbi pou defann kòz pesonel prezidan Aristid, nèg sa yo pral degaje yo pou yo defann lajan ke yo te touche ou kontinye ap touche pou menm kòz la men, pa gen anyen serye ki pral fèt lan bagay gòg magòg sa a. Prezidan bò isit se zafè ki lan avantaj peyi yo ki enterese yo. Dayè ki sa ke demokrat yo, ki an majorite lan de chanb yo, pral jwenn lan koze koudeta prezidan Aristid? Lan kriz ekonomik ke Etazini ap pase la a, jan ansyen Sekretè Rice te deja di ke Aristid se le pase. Dayè, nou kwe ke prezidan Aristid pa menm enterese la retounen lakay. Kreyòl pale, kreyòl konprann.
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Re: Quelles sont les chances de voir une enquete US sur le coup d'etat de 2004?
[quote="revelation"]
Revelasyon,
Ou kwè ou li sa w di an.Poukisa pou MBEKI pa t voye zam pou troke kòn ak mesye GI FILIP.
Se mesye sa yo ki gen dwa touye moun ,yo pa ka mouri tou.
Toutotan pa genyen yon ka ,ke mesye sa yo pèdi po yo,y ap toujou kontinye bay koudeta .
Se konsa ti nèg te toujou ap di ke zòt "ap voye pèp lan a la bouchri"
Lè genyen posibilite ke bouchri an ka pou nou de,tout koudeta ak kaba ann Ayiti.
Se sa k pase lan anpil peyi lan Amerik Latin lan,sitou lan Amerik Santral lan.
Ayibobo pou MBEKI ki te vle mete yon balans
[size=18]Se pa ni kweyon, ni plim, ni liv lekol ke MBeki te voye bay pep ayisyen!!
Pou'm rafrechi memwa'w, Mbeki te voye yon bato chaje ak gwo zamm fand fwa avek riot gear nan peyi d’Ayiti pou te touye Ayisyen.
Herezman, bato sa te bloke jamayik se sak fe ke anpil sang pat koule!!
E w ta bati yon lekol ki pote nom MBeki!! Mesi mon fre pou sigjestyon sa.
Nou gen anpil wout pou'n fe anko!Donk si w pa kwe nan kidnaping sa, prezidan Aristide gen dwa kite kote ke li ye la le li vle e jan li vle san restriksyon!!Rod akize prezidan Aristide de mensonger, faux et trompeur et de se laisser kraponner si facilement!!
Le lidi ke Mwen pa di ke yo pa kraponnen Aristide poul kite pouvwa a non, men mwen pa kwè nan kidnaping la!!
Fok l'Afrik di Sid ankouraje prezidan Aristide tounnen lakay li al jwen pep li.
Condi Rice pa la anko kom Sekrete Deta US!!
Se Makone'l Hillary Clinton ki la konnyen la.
Revelasyon
Revelasyon,
Ou kwè ou li sa w di an.Poukisa pou MBEKI pa t voye zam pou troke kòn ak mesye GI FILIP.
Se mesye sa yo ki gen dwa touye moun ,yo pa ka mouri tou.
Toutotan pa genyen yon ka ,ke mesye sa yo pèdi po yo,y ap toujou kontinye bay koudeta .
Se konsa ti nèg te toujou ap di ke zòt "ap voye pèp lan a la bouchri"
Lè genyen posibilite ke bouchri an ka pou nou de,tout koudeta ak kaba ann Ayiti.
Se sa k pase lan anpil peyi lan Amerik Latin lan,sitou lan Amerik Santral lan.
Ayibobo pou MBEKI ki te vle mete yon balans
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