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Moise Jean Charles, le dieu de LESPWA

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Message  piporiko Jeu 7 Mai 2009 - 10:05

Moise Jean Charles, le dieu de LESPWA

Dans une atmosphère de politicaillerie putride et de gabegie administrative de sans aloi, Préval est en train de rééditer l’exploit de Mai 2000 en voulant gagner les 12 postes vacants au Sénat dans cette mascarade électorale du 19 Avril dernier. En effet, il a été l’artisan des controverses électorales de 2000 et l’architecte de cette crise qui a plongé le pays dans une situation catastrophique en accouchant tellement d’erreurs que son ego et sa maladresse ne suffisaient plus à en cacher les effets néfastes.

Ce qui se passe dans le Nord avec la proclamation des résultats déclarant Moise Jean Charles vainqueur dès le premier tour n’est autre que la première goutte d’eau qui devra faire verser la vase. Il n’est un secret pour personne que Moise Jean Charles disposait de gros moyens et de privilèges immenses pour sa campagne. Malheureusement, il est rejeté par la population du Nord et ceci s’est révélé très inquiet pour sa victoire au second tour. Ayant l’habitude de trafiquer les chiffres, ces messieurs cherchent un alibi pour avoir gain de cause.. Le président du BED/Nord a déclaré hier sur les ondes d’une station de radio de la capitale que le mode de calcul utilisé par le CEP n’est pas conforme à la loi électorale, ce qui sous-entend que les résultats affichés pour les autres départements sont eux aussi faussés. On aura tout entendu.

Qui est notre cher Sénateur ? Un ignare qui ne parle aucune langue humaine connue, un extrémiste de la gauche haïtienne, un hougan qui a fait le loa danser dans la tête de Préval lors d’une cérémonie vaudouesque, un personnage très controversé. Dans les parages du palais et dans l’entourage de son parti politique, on le considère comme un dieu car déjà il prédit l’arrivée au pouvoir d’un autre membre de LESPWA pour perpétuer la gabegie administrative et le pillage des caisses de l’état. En tant que conseiller politique de Préval, il est tres bien placé car dis-moi qui tu fréquentes, je te dirai qui tu es mais avec Moise Jean Charles comme sénateur représentant le Nord d’Antenor Firmin c’est le comble. Voila le cadeau empoisonné que veut offrir le président au prestigieux et historique département du Nord. Un Moise Jean Charles pour représenter le pays a l’ACP-UE ou pour plancher sur un sujet d’intérêt national, soyons sérieux !

Le coup d’état par les urnes s’annonce déjà sous de mauvais orage, il n’est que d’attendre.

Heureux ceux qui n’ont pas été à Montana en 2006 pour forcer le CEP à proclamer Préval président !


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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Jeu 7 Mai 2009 - 10:53

apali papa.mwen pa konn bi Preval men si yon moun ap li text Stanley Lucas la ak text saa eske Preval pa genyen rezon lè li di ke Konstitutyon 1987 se yon sous denstabilite.

an verite paradoxe saa dekonstronban.Yon kote mwen konprann ke preval vle debarase l de yon konstitutyon ki pa apwopriye pou yon ti peyi pov tankou ayiti,men yon lot kote tou mwen inkyete ke se nan enterè politik Preval ke li ap aji.si preval se te yon pwogressis ou lye de yon manfouben se pa ta regadem sil ta anploye nenpot moyen poul debarase peyi ya de konstitutyon saa.men lè yon moun ap tande sa ki ap pase an ayiti wap mande eske Preval enspire konfyans pou ta lage yon pouvwa san limit nan men li.Ou ta ka di la fin justifie les moyens men si se pou ti gwoup bourdon a kontwole tout levye ekonomik nan peyi ya tankou Lucas di ya eske le jeu vaut la chandelle?

An palan de Lucas eske genyen moun ki konnen sa li ap defann?Yon moman li aji tankou manb oligarchie obscurantiste la yon lot moman li avili yo.
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Message  Sasaye Jeu 7 Mai 2009 - 10:58

A Lavalas Mayor in Hiding
By: Jeb Sprague - HaitiAnalysis.com

Moise Jean-Charles, a peasant organizer and former mayor of Milot, a rural town in northern Haiti, currently serves as an advisor to Haiti's President Rene Preval.

As one of many young Haitians who entered politics through Lavalas in the 1990's, Moise explains how peasants were for the first time able to formally take part in government. As an advocate of land reform, education, healthcare, and non-violence, he supported the elections of both President Preval (1995, 2006) and Aristide (1990, 2000).

Becoming mayor

JS: How did you become mayor of the town of Milot?

MJC: I worked with a Haitian student’s organization, which was persecuted under Duvalier. After Duvalier left there were always demonstrations. I left Milot and went to Cap Haïtien for school. After that I went back to the rural areas and started to do demonstrations for land for the peasants and working to direct the peasant movement. The size of Milot is seventy-nine [square] kilometers. Only three families had 84% of the land. These were families related to or supporting President Duvalier. These three families, starting from 1911, had controlled the land. [They] did not even live in Haiti. They lived in France, Canada, and the United States. They came every two years or even just every ten years. They came with arms, to hunt and shoot animals.

After the first coup against Aristide in 1991 under the Cedras junta it was a terrible time, a very difficult time. I spent eight months in hiding. They were looking to kill me. I went to Santa Domingo and came back…then I went back to Haiti and they arrested me. The people in Milot broke me out just as they were about to put me into prison.

[Then in] 1995 when democracy returned to Haiti, I ran for mayor in Milot. I was the director of the peasant radio station in Milot...I was 27 when I became mayor. Everyone asked me to run for mayor because it is the mayor who has the control over land in the area because the constitution gives the right to mayors to distribute the local land. The people knew if I became mayor I would help find land for the peasants that did not have land. Before I became mayor there was a lot of struggle over the land, people being killed while fighting to gain land. When I became mayor all of that stopped.

The schools that were constructed and the land reform with the peasants were the largest accomplishments. It completely changed the land distribution situation. All of this land was now in the hands of the poor. Before this land was redistributed, people had nothing to eat. They were dying of hunger. Since we began the struggle for land, 95% of the children who could not go to school are now able to go to school. Many schools were put together with few supplies. 70% of the people who weren’t able to have their own house are now able to have their own house on a little piece of land.
Milot is one of the richest areas, in terms of resources, in the country. In the east we have gold, in the south we have uranium, in the south-west we have the kind of earth to make bricks to build houses, and we have the Citadel which is the eighth wonder of the world, a large fortress built by Henri Christoph, the first king of Haiti.

France wanted to control the Citadel.

The Americans wanted the uranium.

The Canadians wanted the gold.

I didn’t want them to take any of those things. I told the Canadians that they couldn’t take the gold unless they would build a road, hospitals, and schools in our area.

They had to bring potable water for people. I wanted the people of Milot to benefit from the gold because it was in our area.

In 1997, the Americans came in the night with weapons and with lots of machinery. They were taking the uranium during the night and putting it on a boat.

I went by myself to the eastern area to stop the Americans and when I got there, there was an American guarding the gate. He treated me very disrespectfully, telling me, “Get out of here.” I told him, “I am the mayor.” He said to me, “Sorry, leave me alone man.” After that I came back with 10,000 people with drums in the night. All night we were singing in front of them. In the morning the American commander came out with all his machinery and left the area.

2004 coup

JS: What happened to Milot during the 2004 coup?

MJC: February 22, 2004. Each time someone asks about that, it makes me remember how terrible things were that day.

It was Milot where they came in a week before the coup.

The x-military, they came to Milot. There were Dominican mercenaries with them. It was a surprise attack. They came with many weapons, many cars. They shot into many of the houses. They burned houses and cars. They shot people as they ran. They killed some of the police. It was a terrible moment.

When they got to Cap Haïtien they [attacked] the airport, they burned the police station, the courthouse, the customs office, they burned all of the houses of all the people who worked in Aristide’s government.

If you said you were Lavalas, they would kill you.

They put people in containers and the sun was so hot many of them died.

They threw people into the ocean in containers.

If you had a money problem with someone, a land conflict, or a problem with a woman, people could go to the former military and say, “Oh, this person is Lavalas.” And they would just go and kill them. Just in this area in the north, we believe that between 3,000 to 4,000 people were killed.

The elites had asked the French to arrest me. They said, “If Aristide is gone but Moise stays, we have another problem.”

Like a small plant when a storm comes through we were underground, under the mud, but when the sun comes it grows back up again. Aristide was a symbol that opened the door for the poor. He symbolized hope for the poor. [When the military rebels invaded] the elites danced.

Dancing, they were so happy to see the rebels enter.
“Long live Guy Phillip [a rebel leader],” shouted the elites.

All of Lavalas fled to either Santa Domingo or into hiding in the mountains. We passed 6 or 7 months in the mountains until August of 2004. I was forced into hiding.

JS: Do you think foreign aid is used to manipulate Haiti politically?

MJC: Yes, I do. USAID, they have done some really bad things to the Haitian people. We don’t count on that aid because it is aid that comes with conditions. It is aid that is made to destroy national production. It is aid that goes to finance NGOs that are against the elected government.

A foreign aid embargo on the elected government was made as a strategy to destabilize the Aristide government, while all the foreign aid went to opposition NGO groups. It affected everyone because it is such a poor country. The World Bank asked Aristide to pay millions of dollars in interest before they would release the aid.

They said they would give money, but would not say how much. After Aristide paid some of what they asked, they wanted more. The World Bank told the Central Government, "Pay us the interest before we will lend you the money."

On the radio the opposition claimed the World Bank had lent Aristide the money for schools, food, etc. Everyday the elite radio attacked Aristide, saying, “The World Bank gave you money! The World Bank gave you money! Where is it?” But the World Bank did not give anything; it was a strategy to undercut the government. Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid were withheld—(money that the Haitian government in the past had depended upon).

After the coup

JS: What has happened to you since the 2004 coup?

MJS: On the 14th of August 2004, we had a demonstration in which we came down from the mountains. People from California came with us to stand with us.

Guy Phillip said, "If you come into Cap Haïtien we will kill you." I made it through the 22nd of February and I did not die. They said “we will be waiting for you on the 14th of August.” Guy Phillip sent me a message saying, “If you come to Cap Haïtien you will get money.” It was a bet. They were trying to get me into Cap Haïtien to kill me.

Chilean helicopters circled all day over Milot. Who were the helicopters looking for? We were under the trees in the garden. We met in the garden with all the demonstration organizers but the helicopter kept flying over us and everyone would run. (Laughs) After that, the United Nations MINUSTAH soldiers came into Milot. They wanted to make surveillance and they started taking pictures.

Our friends in the California delegations went out into the streets and started taking pictures of MINUSTAH.

Then MINUSTAH and the Californians were taking pictures of each other. “Bravo! Bravo!”, we shouted. People clapped. Everyone was happy.

On the 13th, we rented several cars and had a caravan of justice to show everyone in the local area where the rebels had killed the police, all of the buildings that were burned, where they had killed people in the popular neighborhoods, the families of the victims.

The delegation went through all the popular neighborhoods so the poor knew we had observers from the delegation (protection from being shot at). When I was almost to Cap Haïtien I was sitting in the van with a funny hat.

It was a funny little woman’s hat that disguised me.

When the car stopped and we got out, we were in the middle of the delegation and walked through the police and through MINUSTAH.

The people shouted in joy—thousands and thousands of people. After that, the struggle began. We came back home, down from the mountains. If the delegation had not been with us, it would have been very dangerous. They could have arrested me, they could have shot me. But it was a victory. People came back to their houses.

That is why I say solidarity is a very good thing.
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Message  Sasaye Jeu 7 Mai 2009 - 11:08

Moyiz Janchal pa pale "okinn lang imèn", kijan li fè eksplike tout bagay sayo?
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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Jeu 7 Mai 2009 - 11:16

Mon chè si text saa dekri Moise Jean Charles byen; mwen di bali bwa chofè gen lè li se yon diy eritye de Christophe wi.gen lè li pa lach non e li konn sa li ap defann.se yon nonm konsa pov yo beswen.ti boujwa pretantye ap toujou pale moun konsa mal.men fok ou tande 2 son kloch yo pou konnen byen ki moun ki genyen rezon.Pou jenn yo men sa Duvalier tap pale dans "la lutte des classes à travers l'histoire d'haiti."
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Message  piporiko Jeu 7 Mai 2009 - 11:21

Rodlam Sans Malice a écrit:Mon chè si text saa dekri Moise Jean Charles byen; mwen di bali bwa chofè gen lè li se yon diy eritye de Christophe wi.gen lè li pa lach non e li konn sa li ap defann.se yon nonm konsa pov yo beswen.ti boujwa pretantye ap toujou pale moun konsa mal.men fok ou tande 2 son kloch yo pou konnen byen ki moun ki genyen rezon.Pou jenn yo men sa Duvalier tap pale dans "la lutte des classes à travers l'histoire d'haiti."

Se yon piti kap goumen lontan wi.Se pa jodia li kale non.

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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Jeu 7 Mai 2009 - 11:40

men manifestatyon pawol Toussiant Louverture te pwononse ya wi;En me renversant vous avez abattu seulement le tronc de la liberté, elle repoussera car ses racines sont profondes.si sam li ya se sa Moise jean charles ap defann dwa pou peyisan genyen tè ak kay pou yo rete.e byen Mwen di Vive Moise Jean Charels. Zafè ti boujwa pretantye ki ap di li pa pale oken lang imen yan se radot nan mache se radot tankou Sassaye di ya ki jan fè li kominike ak moun Milot e ak etranje byen konsa.se menm vye prejije ki eksiste ant moun la vil e moun an deyor ki fè yo konn ekri peyisan sou batistè moun ki pa fet an vil yo.bagay sa yo fok yo fini nan peyi Toussaint louverture ak Dessalines lan.
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Message  Marc H Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 11:09

Je vais rencontrer le personnel de lespwa et je vais les encourager a faire maintenant des alliances avec les decus de fanmi lavalas.

Il va sans dire , je n'ecoute pas les nouvelles ici. je constaste que les gens ne sont pas interesse a la politique ces jours-ci.
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Message  Sasaye Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 11:15

Alò, se Steven Benwa pou w wè.
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Message  Marc H Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 11:27

Sasaye a écrit:Alò, se Steven Benwa pou w wè.

Je ne peux pas entendre ce depute. D'ailleurs, bcp de gens sont du meme avis que moi. Il nous etouffe avec sa voix...
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Message  Sasaye Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 11:31

Wi, li pale vit, li gen vwa fèblan, men li konn sa lap di.
Si w diskite avè l, wap satisfè.
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