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Message  Rico Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 13:00

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ANMWE MEN YON SENATÈ POU PEYI DAYITI KI SALMANZA SA Moise1 Haiti-Elections : Moïse Jean Charles sauvé des eaux
Posté le 6 mai 2009

Moise Jean Charles n’ira pas au second tour. Après contestations, le BED du Nord vient de le désigner comme premier sénateur élu des élections du 19 avril, a-t-on appris.
Moïse Jean Charles de la plateforme politique Lespwa, proche du président René Préval, a été désigné comme le premier élu des sénatoriales du 19 avril. Une décision du BED du Nord qui indique que la totalité des bulletins n’avait pas encore été comptabilisée dans ce département.
Cette décision du BED du Nord fait passer le score du candidat de Lespwa de 49, 47 % à 51 %, franchissant ainsi la barre du premier tour. Il n’ira plus ainsi disputer son siège au second tour.
Par ailleurs, la date du 7 juin ne tient plus pour la tenue du second tour des sénatoriales, informe le CEP.


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Message  Sasaye Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 13:21

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Message  Invité Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 13:42

Avan mwen jije mouche, map mande ki fomasion mouche ak eksperians li.

Si genyen yon moun ki konnen, vini pataje ak nou.

Pa vini di'm si X senatè ou Y prezidan mouche ka sa tou, map rejete vie agiman sa yo depi anlè e mèt yo pa bezwen menm prezante yo pou pa fè deba a fè bak.

Keksion ann, se nan ki sans pwofil mouche ap bon pou travay li an tan ke Senatè Repiblik peyi Ayiti.

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Message  revelation Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 13:58

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Le vrai visage du people Haitien!!

Tenu léger, maillot T-shirt style san kostim ni kravat !!

Se bel bagay !!

Pa poze’m kestion ke si mesye Moise Jean Charles gen fomasyon ni experyans.
Se pep la ki voye’l.
Se pep la pou mande sa.

BRAVOOO Mesye Moise Jean Charles pou reyisit w a, e nou souyete'w sikse nan Senat.

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Message  Rico Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 14:09

1-Moïse Jean Charles, conseiller du président de la République, Son Excellence, Monsieur René Garcia Préval et candidat sous la bannière du regroupement politique au pouvoir, Lespwa. Il a fait l’objet d’un mandat d’amener émis par le Juge Harold Chéry, instruisant le dossier relatif aux évènements survenus le 17 décembre 2001. Il a comparu au Cabinet d’instruction le 4 avril 2003. Après audition, le juge a converti le mandat d’amener en ordonnance de dépôt. Moïse Jean Charles a cependant eu le temps de prendre la fuite.
Moïse Jean Charles est aussi impliqué dans les événements survenus au Cap-Haïtien le 6 avril 2003. En effet, au cours d’une manifestation organisée par des membres de l’opposition au pouvoir d’alors, des partisans lavalas, ayant à leur tête Moïse Jean Charles et Nawoon Marcellus ont ouvert le feu sur les manifestants faisant un mort, Donald Julmiste, et un blessé Evens Lucien. Heidi Fortuné, substitut du commissaire du gouvernement d’alors, près le tribunal de première instance du Cap-Haïtien, a été touché d’une pierre à la tête.

Moïse Jean Charles est aussi inculpé dans l’assassinat le 15 février 2004 de Guitz Adrien Salvant et dans la perpétration d’autres cas de violence dans le Nord. Son dossier, gelé au parquet du tribunal de première instance du Cap-Haïtien depuis dix (10) mois, doit faire l’objet d’une ordonnance de clôture du Cabinet d’instruction du Cap-Haïtien ; IV. Amanus Mayette, inculpé dans le massacre de La Scierie, est sous le coup d’une ordonnance du Juge d’instruction de Saint-Marc le revoyant par-devant le tribunal criminel sans assistance de jury pour des crimes graves perpétrés à Saint-Marc en février 2004.
L’appel interjeté contre cette ordonnance n’a toujours pas abouti en raison de l’infirmation de la composition qui a entendu l’affaire, suite au décès de l’ex-président de cette Cour, Me Hugues Saint-Pierre, tué dans un étrange accident de la circulation non encore élucidé ;
V. Jocelerme Privert, candidat indépendant pour le département des Nippes est exactement dans la même situation que l’ex-député Amanus Mayette. De plus, son visa américain a été révoqué par les autorités américaines en 2003 ;

http://www.lematinhaiti.com/Article.asp?ID=17055
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Le député Hugues Célestin conteste le choix de Moïse Jean Charles, accusé de meurtre, comme candidat au Sénat de LESPWA dans le Nord


De nombreuses autres « candidatures inquiétantes » pour le scrutin du 19 avril 2009

vendredi 30 janvier 2009,
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Le député de Limonade/Quartier Morin (Nord), Hugues Célestin, est parti en guerre jeudi contre les dirigeants de la Plate-forme présidentielle LESPWA sous la bannière de laquelle il a été élu en 2006, en raison du choix par cette dernière de M. Moïse Jean Charles, ex-maire de Milot, comme candidat au Sénat dans le Nord.

« Il n’est un secret pour personne que Moïse Jean Charles est accusé de meurtre sur la personne du nommé Guitz Adrien Salvant (alias) Guy », a déclaré le parlementaire. Ce crime a été perpétré dans le Nord le 15 février 2004, a-t-il précisé, ajoutant que la famille du défunt a formellement porté plainte contre Jean Charles.

Hugues Célestin déclare ne pas comprendre comment LESPWA a pu faire un pareil choix. Il dit avoir soulevé la question par-devant l’opinion publique dans le souci de réclamer beaucoup plus de moralité en politique en Haïti.

De nombreux autres candidatures pour les élections du 19 avril pour le renouvellement du tiers du Sénat ont soulevé des commentaires comparables dans divers milieux en Haïti. La liste de candidats soumise par Fanmi lavalas (parti de l’ancien président Jean Bertrand Aristide) est à ce titre particulièrement critiquée. On y retrouve des ex-parlementaires et hauts fonctionnaires accusés d’avoir pris une part active dans des activités criminelles et contre lesquels des actions en justice demeurent pendantes. On cite les cas des anciens députés Amanus Mayette (Artibonite) et Nahoum Marcellus dans le Nord ; de l’ancien délégué Jacques Mathelier dans le Sud et de ceux de l’ex-maire Serge Gaspard de Miragoâne et de l’ancien ministre de l’intérieur de Jean Bertrand Aristide en 2004, Jocelerme Privert, dans les Nippes.

Une autre candidature, celle du responsable de la coopérative Cœurs Unis, David Chéry, a provoqué une véritable levée de bouclier dans le secteur des sociétaires des coopératives qui avaient fait faillite en 2003-2004, ruinant des milliers de personnes qui y avaient placé des fonds, attirées par de mirobolants taux d’intérêt. Les associations de sociétaires victimes soutiennent que David Chéry est sous le coup d’un jugement judiciaire. Elles s’interrogent de ce fait sur la légalité des documents qu’il a pu se procurer pour soumettre sa candidature au Conseil Electoral Provisoire. [jmd/RK]



3- Moïse JEAN CHARLES, Conseiller du Président de la République, Son Excellence, Monsieur René Garcia PREVAL et candidat sous la bannière du regroupement politique au pouvoir, LESPWA. Il a fait l'objet d'un mandat d'amener émis par le Juge Harold CHERY, instruisant le dossier relatif aux évènements survenus le 17 décembre 2001. Il a comparu au Cabinet d'instruction le 4 avril 2003. Après audition, le Juge a converti le mandat d'amener en ordonnance de dépôt. Moïse JEAN CHARLES a cependant eu le temps de prendre la fuite.
Moïse JEAN CHARLES est aussi impliqué dans les événements survenus au Cap-Haïtien le 6 avril 2003. En effet, au cours d'une manifestation organisée par des membres de l'opposition au pouvoir d'alors, des partisans lavalas ayant à leur tête Moïse JEAN CHARLES et Nawoon MARCELLUS ont ouvert le feu sur les manifestants faisant un mort, Donald JULMISTE, et un blessé Evens LUCIEN. Heide FORTUNE, Substitut du Commissaire du Gouvernement d'alors, près le Tribunal de Première Instance du Cap-Haïtien a été touché d'une pierre à la tête.
Moïse JEAN CHARLES est aussi inculpé dans l'assassinat le 15 février 2004 de Guitz Adrien SALVANT et dans la perpétration d'autres cas de violence dans le Nord. Son dossier, gelé au Parquet du Tribunal de Première Instance du Cap-Haïtien depuis dix (10) mois, doit faire l'objet d'une ordonnance de clôture du Cabinet d'Instruction du Cap-Haïtien ;


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Message  Sasaye Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 14:16

Revelasyon,
Mesi pou reyaksyon saa.

Gen yon diskisyon ki komanse deja sou Moyiz Janchal.
Se yon lidè peyizan ki fè mak li deja kom mè Milo.
Li gen rekonesans entenasyonal pou travay li fè deja.
Map kopye yon tèks ki parèt sou lot fowom
"Moise Jean-Charles, dieu de Lespwa"
ke Pipo te louvri.




A Lavalas Mayor in Hiding
By: Jeb Sprague - HaitiAnalysis.com
Moise Jean-Charles, a peasant organizer and former mayor of Milot, a rural town in northern Haiti, currently serves as an advisor to Haiti's President Rene Preval.
As one of many young Haitians who entered politics through Lavalas in the 1990's, Moise explains how peasants were for the first time able to formally take part in government. As an advocate of land reform, education, healthcare, and non-violence, he supported the elections of both President Preval (1995, 2006) and Aristide (1990, 2000).

Becoming mayor
JS: How did you become mayor of the town of Milot?

MJC: I worked with a Haitian student’s organization, which was persecuted under Duvalier. After Duvalier left there were always demonstrations. I left Milot and went to Cap Haïtien for school.

After that I went back to the rural areas and started to do demonstrations for land for the peasants and working to direct the peasant movement. The size of Milot is seventy-nine [square] kilometers. Only three families had 84% of the land. These were families related to or supporting President Duvalier.

These three families, starting from 1911, had controlled the land. [They] did not even live in Haiti. They lived in France, Canada, and the United States. They came every two years or even just every ten years. They came with arms, to hunt and shoot animals.

After the first coup against Aristide in 1991 under the Cedras junta it was a terrible time, a very difficult time. I spent eight months in hiding. They were looking to kill me. I went to Santa Domingo and came back…then I went back to Haiti and they arrested me. The people in Milot broke me out just as they were about to put me into prison.

[Then in] 1995 when democracy returned to Haiti, I ran for mayor in Milot. I was the director of the peasant radio station in Milot...I was 27 when I became mayor. Everyone asked me to run for mayor because it is the mayor who has the control over land in the area because the constitution gives the right to mayors to distribute the local land. The people knew if I became mayor I would help find land for the peasants that did not have land. Before I became mayor there was a lot of struggle over the land, people being killed while fighting to gain land. When I became mayor all of that stopped.

The schools that were constructed and the land reform with the peasants were the largest accomplishments. It completely changed the land distribution situation. All of this land was now in the hands of the poor. Before this land was redistributed, people had nothing to eat. They were dying of hunger. Since we began the struggle for land, 95% of the children who could not go to school are now able to go to school. Many schools were put together with few supplies. 70% of the people who weren’t able to have their own house are now able to have their own house on a little piece of land.

Milot is one of the richest areas, in terms of resources, in the country. In the east we have gold, in the south we have uranium, in the south-west we have the kind of earth to make bricks to build houses, and we have the Citadel which is the eighth wonder of the world, a large fortress built by Henri Christoph, the first king of Haiti.

France wanted to control the Citadel.
The Americans wanted the uranium.
The Canadians wanted the gold.

I didn’t want them to take any of those things. I told the Canadians that they couldn’t take the gold unless they would build a road, hospitals, and schools in our area.

They had to bring potable water for people. I wanted the people of Milot to benefit from the gold because it was in our area.

In 1997, the Americans came in the night with weapons and with lots of machinery. They were taking the uranium during the night and putting it on a boat.

I went by myself to the eastern area to stop the Americans and when I got there, there was an American guarding the gate. He treated me very disrespectfully, telling me, “Get out of here.” I told him, “I am the mayor.” He said to me, “Sorry, leave me alone man.” After that I came back with 10,000 people with drums in the night. All night we were singing in front of them. In the morning the American commander came out with all his machinery and left the area.

2004 coup
JS: What happened to Milot during the 2004 coup?

MJC: February 22, 2004. Each time someone asks about that, it makes me remember how terrible things were that day.

It was Milot where they came in a week before the coup.
The x-military, they came to Milot. There were Dominican mercenaries with them. It was a surprise attack. They came with many weapons, many cars. They shot into many of the houses. They burned houses and cars. They shot people as they ran. They killed some of the police. It was a terrible moment.
When they got to Cap Haïtien they [attacked] the airport, they burned the police station, the courthouse, the customs office, they burned all of the houses of all the people who worked in Aristide’s government.
If you said you were Lavalas, they would kill you.

They put people in containers and the sun was so hot many of them died.
They threw people into the ocean in containers.
If you had a money problem with someone, a land conflict, or a problem with a woman, people could go to the former military and say, “Oh, this person is Lavalas.” And they would just go and kill them. Just in this area in the north, we believe that between 3,000 to 4,000 people were killed.

The elites had asked the French to arrest me. They said, “If Aristide is gone but Moise stays, we have another problem.”
Like a small plant when a storm comes through we were underground, under the mud, but when the sun comes it grows back up again. Aristide was a symbol that opened the door for the poor. He symbolized hope for the poor. [When the military rebels invaded] the elites danced.

Dancing, they were so happy to see the rebels enter.
“Long live Guy Phillip [a rebel leader],” shouted the elites.

All of Lavalas fled to either Santo Domingo or into hiding in the mountains. We passed 6 or 7 months in the mountains until August of 2004. I was forced into hiding.

JS: Do you think foreign aid is used to manipulate Haiti politically?

MJC: Yes, I do. USAID, they have done some really bad things to the Haitian people. We don’t count on that aid because it is aid that comes with conditions. It is aid that is made to destroy national production. It is aid that goes to finance NGOs that are against the elected government.

A foreign aid embargo on the elected government was made as a strategy to destabilize the Aristide government, while all the foreign aid went to opposition NGO groups. It affected everyone because it is such a poor country. The World Bank asked Aristide to pay millions of dollars in interest before they would release the aid.

They said they would give money, but would not say how much. After Aristide paid some of what they asked, they wanted more. The World Bank told the Central Government, "Pay us the interest before we will lend you the money."
On the radio the opposition claimed the World Bank had lent Aristide the money for schools, food, etc. Everyday the elite radio attacked Aristide, saying, “The World Bank gave you money! The World Bank gave you money! Where is it?” But the World Bank did not give anything; it was a strategy to undercut the government. Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid were withheld—(money that the Haitian government in the past had depended upon).

After the coup
JS: What has happened to you since the 2004 coup?

MJS: On the 14th of August 2004, we had a demonstration in which we came down from the mountains. People from California came with us to stand with us.
Guy Phillip said, "If you come into Cap Haïtien we will kill you." I made it through the 22nd of February and I did not die. They said “we will be waiting for you on the 14th of August.” Guy Phillip sent me a message saying, “If you come to Cap Haïtien you will get money.” It was a bet. They were trying to get me into Cap Haïtien to kill me.

Chilean helicopters circled all day over Milot. Who were the helicopters looking for? We were under the trees in the garden. We met in the garden with all the demonstration organizers but the helicopter kept flying over us and everyone would run. (Laughs) After that, the United Nations MINUSTAH soldiers came into Milot. They wanted to make surveillance and they started taking pictures.
Our friends in the California delegations went out into the streets and started taking pictures of MINUSTAH.

Then MINUSTAH and the Californians were taking pictures of each other. “Bravo! Bravo!”, we shouted. People clapped. Everyone was happy.
On the 13th, we rented several cars and had a caravan of justice to show everyone in the local area where the rebels had killed the police, all of the buildings that were burned, where they had killed people in the popular neighborhoods, the families of the victims.

The delegation went through all the popular neighborhoods so the poor knew we had observers from the delegation (protection from being shot at). When I was almost to Cap Haïtien I was sitting in the van with a funny hat.
It was a funny little woman’s hat that disguised me.

When the car stopped and we got out, we were in the middle of the delegation and walked through the police and through MINUSTAH.

The people shouted in joy—thousands and thousands of people. After that, the struggle began. We came back home, down from the mountains. If the delegation had not been with us, it would have been very dangerous. They could have arrested me, they could have shot me. But it was a victory. People came back to their houses.
That is why I say solidarity is a very good thing.
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Message  Rico Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 14:29

Mesye lavalasyen yo zafè zannimo sovaj ke li an kravat swa tankou ansyen prefè Emile Auguste ou swa ti chimè an ti mayo tankou Mè Milo Moise Jean Charles mwen pa mache kole sere ak sa. Voryen konsa pa merite senatè, reprezante popilasyon kote m soti. Moun louch, doute, veritab tosyonè lavalas resikle nan Espwa se yon avilisman pou moun nan No.

Dayè se abitid lavalas menm rekrite tout move sangwen pou manipile yo, sèvi ak yo pou bas zèv politik. Non mwen pa mache nan vye taktik sayo. Mwen rete kwè nan moun entèg diy eritye gran zideyo zansèt tankou Rosalvo Bobo ou swa Antenor Firmin e latriye


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Message  Invité Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 14:50

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men se bagay saa mwen pa renmen ak GNBIST yo malgre ke yap viv nan gwo peyi yo pa konprann ke yon akisatyon pa yon kondamnatyon.Ted kennedy te genyen yon fanm ki te noye nan machinn li pandan ke yo tap soti nan yon randevou ,misye te pran anpil tan anvan li te averti la polis ,men li te toujou senatè malgre yo te di se sou li te sou ki fè machinn la te tonbe nan rivyè ya ,lotrejou la nou te tande akisatyon yo te fè kont ansyen Senatè Alaska men tou tan li pat kondane pa yon tribinal li te genyen dwa fè kanpay li.

kombyen Senatè infliyan GNBist tankou Latortue ke bri kouri ke li se kriminel,drug dealer?l'origine de la haine est la haine de ses propres origines.Depi se moun ki ap defann pov yo e ki fet an deyor yo pa moun pou serten ayisyen.men fout jou va jou vyen nap jwen ak zo grann nou yon jou.fok nou sonje ke peyi dayiti konn bay moun tankou Nord Alexis, Florville Hyppolite et francois Duvalier ki konn fè nou kriye.Ki sa konstitutyon an reklame pou yon moun senatè?eske Moise jean charles genyen kondityon ke li pa rampli?map mande si non ayisyen saa se te Boulos yo di ki te touye yon paket ti moun ak vye remed ou byen Accra ou byen Bigiot si nou ta tande tout rele anmwe sa yo?
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Message  Rico Ven 8 Mai 2009 - 19:18

Nan pwen enkredil, moun sot , move kouyon kap tonbe nan pièj kote koken plen pouvwa, ak yon jistis kowonpi pou tann jistis. Pou konesko Espwa bloke tout demach an jistis nan tribinal Okap.

O pwen depite Espwa Hugues Celestin pou limonad estomake kote la jistis kwoupyon poko flanke ti prevni Milo nan prizon. Pwosedi yo sabote ap trennen an longè. Se tout onè depite limonad ki lese ekip Espwa.

Men tonas mwen di apre yo se toujou yo bann vyolatè dwa moun, bann asasen ki vle anvayi sena pou kanpe lwen jistis. Sispann konpare ponm ak zoranj.
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mwen pat tande oken plenyen lè Guy philippe te kandida non; nanpren moun ki te di li pa genyen dwa pose kandidati li non.sak fè sa? eske yo pa akise Guy philippe tou kom asassen ,drug dilè poukisa ou pat di Guy philippe pat dwe kandida?o mwen te blye; li se ki jan nou rele li ankor liberatè,ansyen elev Saint Louis,papal se ansyen magistra.(lol)ala de traka papa pou pitit pep la ki ap defann dwa yo.
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