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April 1, 1995
Clinton, in Haiti, Marks the Withdrawal of G.I.'s
By LARRY ROHTER
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti, March 31— Luxuriating in the cheers of thousands of Haitians, the praise of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and the crisp salutes of soldiers from a score of nations, President Clinton today handed over the responsibility for the security of Haiti from American troops to a United Nations peacekeeping force.
Saying the restoration of Mr. Aristide to power after an American military intervention last fall represented "the triumph of freedom over fear," Mr. Clinton promised the United States would continue to support efforts to establish democracy here. But he also made it clear that Haitians must bear the primary burden of building a just and prosperous society.
"The tasks ahead will not be easy," he told a crowd that had begun gathering at dawn in the main square in front of the National Palace. They had amused themselves during a long wait under a blazing tropical sun by singing, dancing and donning free T-shirts emblazoned with images of Mr. Clinton and Mr. Aristide.
"You must work hard; you must have patience; you must move forward together with tolerance, openness and cooperation."
Mr. Clinton's arrival in Haiti came barely six months after more than 20,000 American troops landed here and brought an end to three years of military dictatorship. Beginning Saturday, Haiti's security will be guaranteed by 6,900 soldiers and police officers from more than 30 countries, including the United States, Bangladesh, Canada, Nepal, the Netherlands and Pakistan.
The warm, festive atmosphere stood in sharp contrast to the violence and political tension that dominated the days preceding Mr. Clinton's arrival. On Tuesday, a prominent opponent of Mr. Aristide, Mireille Durocher Bertin, was killed by three gunmen as she drove her car down a busy main street here.
Shortly afterward, American officials disclosed that they had warned Mr. Aristide last week both of a plot to kill Ms. Durocher Bertin and of the possible involvement of his Interior Minister, Gen. Mondesir Beaubrun. The issue threatened to derail the visit and make a mockery of Mr. Clinton's assertion that American troops have established a "safe and stable environment" here.
During a ceremony at the National Palace this morning, however, Mr. Clinton and Mr. Aristide were full of compliments for each other. Mr. Clinton, who towered over the slight Haitian leader when they stood side by side behind a bulletproof screen, called Mr. Aristide a man of "tremendous courage" whose "strength in the face of great challenge reflects the unbreakable will of the Haitian people."
"We respect him as the President you elected freely and fairly, and for his leadership of all Haitians since his return," Mr. Clinton said.
In his remarks, Mr. Aristide, turning to the preaching style he used as a Roman Catholic priest, led the crowd in a call-and-response chant that thanked the American President for sending troops here and ending three years of repression. "Has President Clinton been good to us?" he asked in Creole, to which the cheering multitude responded with a fervent "Oui!"
It was "thanks to the nonviolent resistance of the Haitian people and to you," he told Mr. Clinton, that "on Sept. 19 Haiti moved from death to life." The American presence here, he said, "has forged a tunnel of hope through the mountains of suffering" and made Haitians eager to offer the American President "the warmth of the light of a welcome never before seen."
Mr. Clinton's trip was the first to Haiti by an American President since Franklin D. Roosevelt visited Cap-Haitien, a northern port, on July 5, 1934, to take part in ceremonies mark the end of an American occupation that lasted of 19 years. No major agreements were reached during the 11-hour visit, but Mr. Clinton announced plans to help rebuild Haiti. He said the Peace Corps would come here later this year "to help to organize the planting of millions of trees" in the badly deforested country, and he also pledged assistance in paving 700 miles of Haiti's primitive roads.
During the ceremonies, no direct mention was made of Ms. Durocher Bertin's killing or the allegations against General Beaubrun. But at the start of a private meeting between the two leaders at the National Palace after the morning festivities, both men referred to the case in responding to reporters.
"They're doing an investigation," Mr. Clinton said, alluding to Mr. Aristide's request this week for an F.B.I. team to lead an inquiry into the killing. "I think we should applaud his quick and decisive action and let the investigation proceed and not presume its results."
"This is a day of celebration, and nothing can cast a cloud on it," he continued. "It's a day of mission accomplished for the United States, a day of celebration for Haitians."
After denying that General Beaubrun was in any way involved in the killing, Mr. Aristide took a similar cooperative tone. "We welcome help from the international community and from the United States, who is helping us find truth about violence," he said in English.
After the meeting, the American delegate to the United Nations, Madeleine K. Albright, said the two Presidents had "discussed the problem of having an event of this type take place" and the "necessity of investigating it." But she said that economic and political issues made up the "major part of what they talked about."
Haitian officials would not say if General Beaubrun had been ordered to stay away from the transition ceremonies to avoid embarrassing Mr. Clinton, though foreign officials said there was no sign of him in the section of the dais reserved for members of the Haitian Cabinet. In any case, American officials said, protocol required Mr. Clinton to shake hands only with Mr. Aristide, Prime Minister Smarck Michel, Foreign Minister Claudette Werleigh and the presidential chief of staff, Leslie Voltaire.
Early in the day, a large banner proclaiming, "President Clinton: Haitian people believe in you for a New Haiti," was strung on the main square. But by the time Mr. Clinton's helicopter landed on the lawn of the National Palace shortly after 11:00 A.M., the poster was removed.
The formal transfer of authority from American troops to the United Nations took place in the afternoon, after a lunch-hour meeting between Mr. Clinton and members of the Provision Electoral Council that will supervise elections here this year. Mr. Clinton strongly endorsed the multinational presence in Haiti, saying it "demonstrated the effectiveness and the benefits of international peacekeeping."
In his speech accepting the peacekeeping mission, the United Nations Secretary General, Boutros Boutros-Ghali, struck much the same tone that Mr. Clinton had earlier in the day. "The people of Haiti must maintain their commitment to rebuild their nation," he said, adding that "continued cooperation will bring later achievements."
Photo: President Clinton flew to Haiti yesterday to hand over peacekeeping duties to the U.N. and was met by President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. (Reuters)
Clinton, in Haiti, Marks the Withdrawal of G.I.'s
By LARRY ROHTER
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti, March 31— Luxuriating in the cheers of thousands of Haitians, the praise of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and the crisp salutes of soldiers from a score of nations, President Clinton today handed over the responsibility for the security of Haiti from American troops to a United Nations peacekeeping force.
Saying the restoration of Mr. Aristide to power after an American military intervention last fall represented "the triumph of freedom over fear," Mr. Clinton promised the United States would continue to support efforts to establish democracy here. But he also made it clear that Haitians must bear the primary burden of building a just and prosperous society.
"The tasks ahead will not be easy," he told a crowd that had begun gathering at dawn in the main square in front of the National Palace. They had amused themselves during a long wait under a blazing tropical sun by singing, dancing and donning free T-shirts emblazoned with images of Mr. Clinton and Mr. Aristide.
"You must work hard; you must have patience; you must move forward together with tolerance, openness and cooperation."
Mr. Clinton's arrival in Haiti came barely six months after more than 20,000 American troops landed here and brought an end to three years of military dictatorship. Beginning Saturday, Haiti's security will be guaranteed by 6,900 soldiers and police officers from more than 30 countries, including the United States, Bangladesh, Canada, Nepal, the Netherlands and Pakistan.
The warm, festive atmosphere stood in sharp contrast to the violence and political tension that dominated the days preceding Mr. Clinton's arrival. On Tuesday, a prominent opponent of Mr. Aristide, Mireille Durocher Bertin, was killed by three gunmen as she drove her car down a busy main street here.
Shortly afterward, American officials disclosed that they had warned Mr. Aristide last week both of a plot to kill Ms. Durocher Bertin and of the possible involvement of his Interior Minister, Gen. Mondesir Beaubrun. The issue threatened to derail the visit and make a mockery of Mr. Clinton's assertion that American troops have established a "safe and stable environment" here.
During a ceremony at the National Palace this morning, however, Mr. Clinton and Mr. Aristide were full of compliments for each other. Mr. Clinton, who towered over the slight Haitian leader when they stood side by side behind a bulletproof screen, called Mr. Aristide a man of "tremendous courage" whose "strength in the face of great challenge reflects the unbreakable will of the Haitian people."
"We respect him as the President you elected freely and fairly, and for his leadership of all Haitians since his return," Mr. Clinton said.
In his remarks, Mr. Aristide, turning to the preaching style he used as a Roman Catholic priest, led the crowd in a call-and-response chant that thanked the American President for sending troops here and ending three years of repression. "Has President Clinton been good to us?" he asked in Creole, to which the cheering multitude responded with a fervent "Oui!"
It was "thanks to the nonviolent resistance of the Haitian people and to you," he told Mr. Clinton, that "on Sept. 19 Haiti moved from death to life." The American presence here, he said, "has forged a tunnel of hope through the mountains of suffering" and made Haitians eager to offer the American President "the warmth of the light of a welcome never before seen."
Mr. Clinton's trip was the first to Haiti by an American President since Franklin D. Roosevelt visited Cap-Haitien, a northern port, on July 5, 1934, to take part in ceremonies mark the end of an American occupation that lasted of 19 years. No major agreements were reached during the 11-hour visit, but Mr. Clinton announced plans to help rebuild Haiti. He said the Peace Corps would come here later this year "to help to organize the planting of millions of trees" in the badly deforested country, and he also pledged assistance in paving 700 miles of Haiti's primitive roads.
During the ceremonies, no direct mention was made of Ms. Durocher Bertin's killing or the allegations against General Beaubrun. But at the start of a private meeting between the two leaders at the National Palace after the morning festivities, both men referred to the case in responding to reporters.
"They're doing an investigation," Mr. Clinton said, alluding to Mr. Aristide's request this week for an F.B.I. team to lead an inquiry into the killing. "I think we should applaud his quick and decisive action and let the investigation proceed and not presume its results."
"This is a day of celebration, and nothing can cast a cloud on it," he continued. "It's a day of mission accomplished for the United States, a day of celebration for Haitians."
After denying that General Beaubrun was in any way involved in the killing, Mr. Aristide took a similar cooperative tone. "We welcome help from the international community and from the United States, who is helping us find truth about violence," he said in English.
After the meeting, the American delegate to the United Nations, Madeleine K. Albright, said the two Presidents had "discussed the problem of having an event of this type take place" and the "necessity of investigating it." But she said that economic and political issues made up the "major part of what they talked about."
Haitian officials would not say if General Beaubrun had been ordered to stay away from the transition ceremonies to avoid embarrassing Mr. Clinton, though foreign officials said there was no sign of him in the section of the dais reserved for members of the Haitian Cabinet. In any case, American officials said, protocol required Mr. Clinton to shake hands only with Mr. Aristide, Prime Minister Smarck Michel, Foreign Minister Claudette Werleigh and the presidential chief of staff, Leslie Voltaire.
Early in the day, a large banner proclaiming, "President Clinton: Haitian people believe in you for a New Haiti," was strung on the main square. But by the time Mr. Clinton's helicopter landed on the lawn of the National Palace shortly after 11:00 A.M., the poster was removed.
The formal transfer of authority from American troops to the United Nations took place in the afternoon, after a lunch-hour meeting between Mr. Clinton and members of the Provision Electoral Council that will supervise elections here this year. Mr. Clinton strongly endorsed the multinational presence in Haiti, saying it "demonstrated the effectiveness and the benefits of international peacekeeping."
In his speech accepting the peacekeeping mission, the United Nations Secretary General, Boutros Boutros-Ghali, struck much the same tone that Mr. Clinton had earlier in the day. "The people of Haiti must maintain their commitment to rebuild their nation," he said, adding that "continued cooperation will bring later achievements."
Photo: President Clinton flew to Haiti yesterday to hand over peacekeeping duties to the U.N. and was met by President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. (Reuters)
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Mwen kwè ke plim so do Jafrik ak Joel p ap kanpe ankò lè ke m mwen mete "bon papa" devan non Clinton. Tankou Rico ta di : Wouyyyyyyyyyy!
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Konpleksite se yon bagay ki etranje pou zOt
Kite m pran yon ti pasyans pou m eksplike w!
kisa ki sot pase la a ,apre koudeta lan HONDURAS kote Lame an kapote ZELAYA?
Kilès ki te devan bann lan pou kondane koudeta a.Se te Etazini se pa sa?
Kilès ki te pèmèt koudetayis yo ranfOse yo;eske se pa t administrasyon demokrat OBAMA a.Preske tout peyi lan Amerik lan te kont koudeta a ;men alafen koudeta a diminye nonm alye CHAVEZ yo.
Pou m retounen sou CLINTON.Gen yon bagay lan entelijans yo rele "plausible deniability".Sa vle di ke gen anpil operasyon ,prezidan an pa janm bay yon Od dirèk.Si bagay lan pase mal ,bagay lan pa janm abouti sou biro prezidan an.Mwen te tande HELMS ki te direktè CIA sou NIXON t ap di kouman prezidan te an daki di pou yo te ranvèse gouvènman ALLENDE .Mwen ka ba w lOt egzanp konsa.
gen yon liv ki rele "IN GOD WE TRUST",900 paj sou entelijans ameriken.Si w ka jwenn li lan yon bibliyotèk,li li.
Pou nou tounen sou ARISTIDE,depi lè represyon FRAPH lan te koumanse ,mwen te tande NOAM CHOMSKY di sou PACIFICA RADIO ke CIA dèyè represyon sa a.Se te 1 an apeprè anvan ke TOTO CONSTANT te di li te sou pewOL CIA.
CHOMSKY te di se yon fOm chantay sou ARISTIDE.Oubyen ARISTIDE aksepte tèm retou an ,oubyen y ap kontinye efase Oganizasyon popilè yo.E toutotan misye ap pran tan ,se plis moun ki ap mouri.
Lan epOK sa a,CHOMSKY te di kareman CLINTON okouran.
e pou moun ki kontinye ap blame ARISTIDE paske li retounen ak Lame ameriken.
Si li pa t aksepte,se pa t ant 3 mil ou 5 mil moun lan katye popilè yo ki t ap mouri ;se t ap 15 mil,20 mil,30 mil .
Pou bay yon egzanp ,CIA te dèyè yon represyon lan ENDONEZI ak Lame endonezyen an.Nou konnen konbyen moun ki te mouri?
Preske 800 mil (800000)
AlOs mesye!
Kite m pran yon ti pasyans pou m eksplike w!
kisa ki sot pase la a ,apre koudeta lan HONDURAS kote Lame an kapote ZELAYA?
Kilès ki te devan bann lan pou kondane koudeta a.Se te Etazini se pa sa?
Kilès ki te pèmèt koudetayis yo ranfOse yo;eske se pa t administrasyon demokrat OBAMA a.Preske tout peyi lan Amerik lan te kont koudeta a ;men alafen koudeta a diminye nonm alye CHAVEZ yo.
Pou m retounen sou CLINTON.Gen yon bagay lan entelijans yo rele "plausible deniability".Sa vle di ke gen anpil operasyon ,prezidan an pa janm bay yon Od dirèk.Si bagay lan pase mal ,bagay lan pa janm abouti sou biro prezidan an.Mwen te tande HELMS ki te direktè CIA sou NIXON t ap di kouman prezidan te an daki di pou yo te ranvèse gouvènman ALLENDE .Mwen ka ba w lOt egzanp konsa.
gen yon liv ki rele "IN GOD WE TRUST",900 paj sou entelijans ameriken.Si w ka jwenn li lan yon bibliyotèk,li li.
Pou nou tounen sou ARISTIDE,depi lè represyon FRAPH lan te koumanse ,mwen te tande NOAM CHOMSKY di sou PACIFICA RADIO ke CIA dèyè represyon sa a.Se te 1 an apeprè anvan ke TOTO CONSTANT te di li te sou pewOL CIA.
CHOMSKY te di se yon fOm chantay sou ARISTIDE.Oubyen ARISTIDE aksepte tèm retou an ,oubyen y ap kontinye efase Oganizasyon popilè yo.E toutotan misye ap pran tan ,se plis moun ki ap mouri.
Lan epOK sa a,CHOMSKY te di kareman CLINTON okouran.
e pou moun ki kontinye ap blame ARISTIDE paske li retounen ak Lame ameriken.
Si li pa t aksepte,se pa t ant 3 mil ou 5 mil moun lan katye popilè yo ki t ap mouri ;se t ap 15 mil,20 mil,30 mil .
Pou bay yon egzanp ,CIA te dèyè yon represyon lan ENDONEZI ak Lame endonezyen an.Nou konnen konbyen moun ki te mouri?
Preske 800 mil (800000)
AlOs mesye!
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Joel! Poze w! ...li nan gwo liv ka fè moun savan, men aparaman dapre sa w ekri la a, li pa ka bay bon sans, ni lojik.
Men rezime sa ke w ekri an:
<Ameriken bay Aristide koudeta. Apre sa menm Ameriken yo di l si l pa tounen y ap masakre tout OP. Aristide "aksepte" rantre anba zèl "aigle" lan jis pou l ka sove lavi moun.>
Donk se "aksepte" ke Aristide te "aksepte" rantre? ...Mwen tande e li plizyè teyori pou koudeta 1991 lan, pami yo: se paske Aristide pat vle vann Zile Latòti; paske Ameriken te vle pran lò ak dyaman nan Grandans... Men tonnè krakra m! ...Teyori Joel lan li menm pli absurde toujou.
Lè entèlijans ap pale de "plausible deniability", se lè ke yo genyen yon bagay ke y ap defann. Donk kesyon yo senp:
_Kisa ke Ameriken t ap defann pou l fè yon plan kote ke yo konnen ke li t ap koute 4 milya dola pou ekzekite l?
_ Poukisa ke yon katouch pat ka fè travay lan kòm dabitid?
Kòm wou li nan gwo liv, se sa ki fè ke m poze w kesyon sa yo dirèkteman. Men pa bliye ke li nan gwo liv se youn, men mete sa w li yo an aplikasyon se youn lòt.
Men rezime sa ke w ekri an:
<Ameriken bay Aristide koudeta. Apre sa menm Ameriken yo di l si l pa tounen y ap masakre tout OP. Aristide "aksepte" rantre anba zèl "aigle" lan jis pou l ka sove lavi moun.>
Donk se "aksepte" ke Aristide te "aksepte" rantre? ...Mwen tande e li plizyè teyori pou koudeta 1991 lan, pami yo: se paske Aristide pat vle vann Zile Latòti; paske Ameriken te vle pran lò ak dyaman nan Grandans... Men tonnè krakra m! ...Teyori Joel lan li menm pli absurde toujou.
Lè entèlijans ap pale de "plausible deniability", se lè ke yo genyen yon bagay ke y ap defann. Donk kesyon yo senp:
_Kisa ke Ameriken t ap defann pou l fè yon plan kote ke yo konnen ke li t ap koute 4 milya dola pou ekzekite l?
_ Poukisa ke yon katouch pat ka fè travay lan kòm dabitid?
Kòm wou li nan gwo liv, se sa ki fè ke m poze w kesyon sa yo dirèkteman. Men pa bliye ke li nan gwo liv se youn, men mete sa w li yo an aplikasyon se youn lòt.
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Thunder,
Se pa vante ke m ap vante ke mwen li lan gwo liv.Si ou lan trantèn ou ,sè ke mwen gen anviwon 30 an an plis ke wou.Mwen renmen lekti donk gen gwo pwobabilite ke mwen li kèk liv an plis ke wou.Se sa sèlman....Si ou pa rann ou kont ke se ameriken ki te bay ARISTIDE koudeta yo ,se yon dyalog moun ki soud n ap fè.
Tou le de koudeta a yo ,se OZETAZINI yo sOti,pa gen absoliman okenn dout lan sa.
Annou pran 1991,preske tout mesye etamajO Lame yo ,se te sa yo rele "intelligence asset" yo te ye.
Tankou Amiral STANSFIELD TURNER (ansyen direktè CIA sou CARTER) te di l ;pa gen anyen ki sekrè ankO
Se pa vante ke m ap vante ke mwen li lan gwo liv.Si ou lan trantèn ou ,sè ke mwen gen anviwon 30 an an plis ke wou.Mwen renmen lekti donk gen gwo pwobabilite ke mwen li kèk liv an plis ke wou.Se sa sèlman....Si ou pa rann ou kont ke se ameriken ki te bay ARISTIDE koudeta yo ,se yon dyalog moun ki soud n ap fè.
Tou le de koudeta a yo ,se OZETAZINI yo sOti,pa gen absoliman okenn dout lan sa.
Annou pran 1991,preske tout mesye etamajO Lame yo ,se te sa yo rele "intelligence asset" yo te ye.
Tankou Amiral STANSFIELD TURNER (ansyen direktè CIA sou CARTER) te di l ;pa gen anyen ki sekrè ankO
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Wouy! ...Ban m mete ti nostalji sa a la pou Joel.
Mezanmi! Pa genyen posyon majik pou geri nostalji. Se domaj pou moun tankou Joel yo ke pifò moun ki te lavalasyen retwouve lisidite yo. Dlo dwe koule nan zye w lè w ap gade bagay sa yo nan kasèt videyo . Pa enkyete w paske Duvalieris yo kòmanse soufri anvan w
Un simple example ,nous de la diaspora haitienne avait joué un role important dans la défaite du coup d'état contre ARISTIDE en 1991.
Un journal important comme le New York Times prenait position pour les putschistes d'alors ,à ses risques et périls.
Des articles pro putschistes provoquaient des manifestations monstres dans la 43ème Rue ,qui abrite le NEW YORK TIMES.Parfois des dizaines de milliers de manifestants descendaient dans cette rue et la bloquaient
Mezanmi! Pa genyen posyon majik pou geri nostalji. Se domaj pou moun tankou Joel yo ke pifò moun ki te lavalasyen retwouve lisidite yo. Dlo dwe koule nan zye w lè w ap gade bagay sa yo nan kasèt videyo . Pa enkyete w paske Duvalieris yo kòmanse soufri anvan w
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