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Message  Joel Lun 17 Mai 2010 - 15:04

Wifout ,Pati FERNANDEZ genyen 31 sou 32 syèj lan Sena a.
Mesye jis imajine yon rezilta konsa lan yon eleksyon ann AYITI?
Ti nèg ta deja ap rele ""eleksyon konteste"" ou byen FERNANDEZ vòlò eleksyon.Sitou toujou gen ensidan vyolan lan eleksyon dominiken yo;yo rejistre 2 moun mouri ak 10 blese.
Malfrendeng koudetayis poutchis t ap deja deklare ke FERNANDEZ bezwen tout pou li.
Se pa sa k rive an Dominikani;se lan opozisyon PRD an ke gen goumen ;y ap chache konnen kilès ki responsab defèt sa a.
Se sa k fè tou yo se Dominikani e noumenm se AYITI:

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2010/5/17/35731/Dominican-Republics-ruling-party-to-win-all-but-one-Senate-seats

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Message  Joel Mar 18 Mai 2010 - 11:56

Lè m ap li repòtaj sou eleksyon Dominikani sa mete m an kòlè pou lè m ap tande bagay radyo ""di fe volan"" malfrendeng ann AYITI yo ap di pou pwovoke moun yo pran la ri.
Lè radyo sa yo ap kontribye lan kraze peyi an.
Lan dènye repòtaj ,anviwon 35% popilasyon Dominiken an te vote,se chif OEA.
Te gen vyolans lan kanpay elektoral lan;dènye chif yo se 5 moun mouri ,13 moun blese.
Rezilta se PLD (PATI FERNANDEZ LAN) genyen 30 syèj,yon pati alye PRSC genyen yon syèj,Opozisyon PRD an genyen yon sèl syèj.
Pa gen moun ki rele anmwe ,eleksyon pa bon,ke FERNANDEZ bezwen tout pou li.Sa k pi rèd lan PLD genyen preske tout syèj majistra vil yo tou.
Sa ki ap pase se pa kanpe ke Opozisyon an kanpe kont gouvènman an pou l rele koken,tankou nou k ap wè se ekzamine ki sa yo fè mal ,pou yo ta ka pran yon defèt konsa:

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2010/5/18/35734/Opposition-partys-leader-led-it-to-electoral-slaughterhouse

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Message  Thunder Mer 19 Mai 2010 - 2:12

Kòm dabitid, Joel rate tren an. Li an reta, li òje, li òdi sijè.

Se pa nonb de syèj yo ki te lakòz tout moun rele anmwe, se te koken ke yo te fè ak vòt pèp lan. Se pa paske Ho wi! Lavalas te pran 95% vòt, se paske yo te fè 6 tounen 9 nan vòt la.

Se pou nou aprann konsanti sa ke pèp lan ban nou, sispann bay panzou. Si an 1990, lè Lavalas te sou pik li, pèp lan te bay Lavalas 67% se pa an 2000 apre ke lavalas vinn montre vrè visaj li ke li t ap ba li 95%.

E dayè ki kote ke 95% Ayisyen sa a te ye an Fevriye 2004? Lejou yon Lavalasyen rezoud pwoblèm sa a, m ap sispann mete an dout "sipò" ke Pèp lan ta genyen pou Lavalas jan ke yo reklame an. Otreman, sispann rablabla.
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Message  Joel Mer 19 Mai 2010 - 5:34

Ou fout manti kou chen.Pa t gen okenn 6 ki te tounen 9.Wi ARISTIDE te fè 92% lan eleksyon 2000.Kilès ki te anfas li?
Bann anraje .Sa te fèt lan VENEZUELA tou.LÈ OPOZISYON an te wè ke yo pa ka genyen eleksyon kont CHAVEZ lan ,yo te boykote l.
Se te menm rezilta a ,Chavez te genyen plis ke 85% vot yo e li te genyen tout syèj lan La Chanm ak Sena a.Men opozisyon an pa genyen kontwòl tout radyo yo lan VENEZUELA pou yo delejitimize eleksyon yo.

PA GEN JAN POU NOU TA AKSEPTE REZILTA ELEKSYON DOMINIKANI YO.JAMÈ,JAMÈ,JAMÈ.
PASKE NOUMENM ,SE POU PLAS LETA N AP GOUMEN.
Pou yon pati politik sou pouvwa a ta genyen 31 sou 32 syèj lan SENA a ,preske tout syèj majistra yo ,kontwòl la Chanm lan.
E sitou te gen ensidan ,5 moun mouri ak 13 blese?
Nou t ap rele anraje,eleksyon yo pa bon e nou t ap kòmanse pran la ri;paske se pa pou peyi an n ap goumen ,se pou job,se pou plas Leta.

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Message  Thunder Sam 22 Mai 2010 - 1:33

Ki kote ke 92% sa a te ye an 2004 pou yo kite 50 gason fè Aristide foure ke l anba vant li? Di ki kote ke yo te ye tonnas. Se pèp lan kite an fas li. Sa 21 Me yo menm se te pli mal toujou, se gagòt nou fè jis menm bon papa nou Clinton te oblije mete 2 men nan tèt pou rele bare panzouyis.

Sispann konpare Ayiti ak lòt peyi. Sikonstans yo pa menm nan tout peyi, donk konparezon se yon bagay anlè anlè.

M ap repete w ankò, se pa mirwa a pou w kraze, se figi w pou w lave. Mesye e dam jounalis yo se moun ke yo tou, yo genyen santiman. Nou paka ap rache yo ak kout rach nan Ti Gwav, n ap tire sou radyo yo, n ap asasinen yo gran jounen, fè menas e latriye... epi nou konprann pou yo ta ap sere koze oubyen fè pwopagann nou.

eleksyon pa t bon Joel, le mond antye te konstate sa. Eske se job tou ke yo t ap chèche? Joel yo di w sispann plede pou malandren sa yo.
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Message  Joel Sam 22 Mai 2010 - 5:58

Ou manti kou chen ,fanatik anti-Aristide tèt bòbèch.ou plede ap vin di ke le mond antye te di eleksyon yo pa t bon!
Mwen sonje rapò OEA yo ki te di ke malgre ti iregilarite ,ke eleksyon yo te kredib.Se yon zafè de 6 syèj ki te an diskisyon ,e se te pou dezyèm tou ou pa.
Se pou mesye LAVALAS yo ,rete sou blòk glas yo ,kite nou ranse e gade pou nou wè si nou ka jete PREVAL vre.

NOU PA KAPAB,NOU MÈT GRIJI,VOYE MONTE ,N A KAKA.
Nou an fas majinalizasyon ,paske nou pa p ka ize fòs ,paske MINISTA ap kraze nou!

Se yon sèl bagay nou genyen lan men nou,YON SÈL,se près lan e pou konbyen tan ankò!

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Message  Thunder Sam 22 Mai 2010 - 6:57

Joel sispann bave! Sa m ap di la yo se pa opinyon se fè ke yo ye.

In the Reuters report we read the following:

<<PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti, Dec 7 (Reuters) - U.S. President Bill Clinton, who
sent troops to Haiti six years ago to restore ousted President Jean Bertrand
Aristide, has written a letter to him expressing concern over democracy
there following Aristide's re-election.

"The president cited the need for tangible steps in Haiti to build an
inclusive society around the goals of justice and rule of law," U.S. Embassy
spokesman Daniel Whitman said late on Wednesday....

...In the letter, Clinton urged Aristide to resolve Haiti's electoral
impasse stemming from tainted legislative elections held in May, Whitman
said.

"The United States together with the international community has made it
known to the Haitian authorities that their failure to address
well-documented election irregularities puts into question their commitment
to democracy," Whitman said, paraphrasing Clinton's letter.>>

Si nou ap tradwi sa a an bon jan kreyòl n ap di ke Clinton di Aristide ke pa genyen moun k ap pran nan fo mamit eleksyon chanpwèl sa yo.
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Message  Thunder Sam 22 Mai 2010 - 7:04

<<The White House
Washington

December 1, 2000

Dear Mr. Aristide:

Just as Haiti and the United States, the two oldest republics in the western
hemisphere, have shared much in their history, yours and my public career
have been closely intertwined. Restoring democracy in your country was an
important theme in my first presidential campaign more than eight years ago;
defending the use of American forces to help you and the Haitian people
achieve that goal was a major theme in my second campaign.

In recent years, I have conveyed to you both directly and through Secretary
Albright, Sandy Berger, Tony Lake, Arthur Valenzuela, and Don Steinberg my
concerns and hopes for the direction of events in Haiti, especially with
regard to the evolution of democracy.
Those have been, and remain, deeply
rooted in my personal commitment to a better future for Haiti and better
relations between our countries.

Now, as I prepare to leave office and you prepare to return. I believe we
have an opportunity to set the basis for a strengthened relationship in the
years to come. Together we must undertake tangible steps to enhance the
lives of the Haitian people and build an inclusive society around the goals
of justice and the rule of law. I know that you have put forth some
constructive ideas in this regard, and I hope you will welcome a visit from
Mr. Lake in the near future to discuss further steps. You can be sure that
the American people will stand ready to help the Haitian people in their
pursuit of democracy, prosperity, dignity, and respective place in the
international community.

Sincerely,

Bill Clinton>>

Nan yon lèt konsa, si yo te rekonèt eleksyon sa yo kòm lejitim, pwotokòl t ap oblije ke yo kòmanse l pa "Dear President-elect" angiz de "Dear Mr. Aristide".

Kontinye radote, men ke w vle ou pa, sanginè tankou Aristide te dwe kite zo l nan palè an. Mwen regrèt anpil ke l te kouri._______________________________________________
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Message  Thunder Sam 22 Mai 2010 - 7:15

Friday, Jul. 21, 2000
In some perverse way, the history of election fraud is also a story of human creativity. We are all familiar with certain tried and true methods of rigging elections: intimidating voters, stuffing ballot boxes or instigating a mass turnout of the dead. But there is always room for innovation -- as Haiti's controversial recent elections show.

The senate races were perhaps the most problematic aspect of these profoundly flawed elections. In a dramatic sweep, eighteen of the nineteen senate seats at stake in the elections went to candidates of the Lavalas Family, the political party of former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Indeed, one lucky candidate received an astounding -- and improbable -- 92 percent of the vote.

In democratic countries, landslides of such proportions are rare. A closer look at the Haitian elections shows why this smashing victory was too good to be true.

Inflating the Numbers

year's elections. In each of the country's nine departments, therefore, two of the three existing seats were to be filled, except for one department in which all three were available.

Haiti's electoral law establishes two rounds of balloting for senate races. The first round is intended to narrow the field to those candidates with large voter support. Haiti's numerous small parties -- some so tiny that they are thought to consist of only the candidate and his closest friends -- make such a method particularly appropriate. The Haitian Al Gore would be competing against not one vote-splitting Ralph Nader, but a dozen of them. Indeed, a total of 145 candidates ran for the nineteen senate seats, an average of sixteen in each of the nine departments.

In such circumstances, first-round election victories are difficult to attain. That is because under Haitian law, a candidate must obtain an absolute majority -- over 50 percent of the valid votes -- to win in the first round. Any seat that is not won by an absolute majority goes to a second-round election that pits only the leading candidates against each other.

Amazingly, however, Haitian election officials tallying this year's results reported that all nineteen of the senate races were decided in the first round. Thus, officials claimed, there was no need for any senate runoff elections.

This is truly hard to believe, especially when the senate races are compared to those of the other constituent body of the Haitian parliament, the chamber of deputies. Those parallel elections -- governed by exactly the same rules and similarly swarming with candidates -- led to wildly different, and much more plausible results. Only about a third of the eighty-three deputy races were decided in the first round. The remaining races were resolved on July 9th, in the second-round runoffs. With the same voters and parties involved, why were the senate election results so radically different?

Uncovering the Fraud

The election monitoring team of the Organization of American States was quick to find the explanation for this deluge of first-round senate victories. The team compared the absolute number of votes won by each candidate to the percentage of the vote that each was awarded. From this comparison, it deduced that not all of the votes were counted.

Instead, in each department, the Haitian electoral council had counted only votes for the top four contenders. (In the one department that had three open seats, the top six contenders' votes were counted.) The votes accruing to all other candidates were simply ignored. This bizarre method of counting grossly inflated the percentages accorded the two leading contenders in each department -- boosting many over the 50 percent-plus-one threshold necessary to avoid a runoff.

For example, there should have been a runoff in the North East Department, where the leading candidates for the two seats garnered 49.7 and 46.4 percent of the vote, respectively. But by counting only the votes cast for the top four candidates -- and thereby ignoring eight other candidates' votes -- the electoral council bumped up the leading candidates' percentages more than twenty points.


Defending the Indefensible

its novel counting method. It asserted that the electoral law and related provisions of the Haitian Constitution were written to cover the situation of one senatorial race per department, without providing clear guidance when two or more senate seats are at stake.

But that's simply wrong. Granted, the Constitution does prescribe that senators be elected for staggered terms of six years each, so that ideally only one senator is elected per department in any given election. But the drafters of the 1987 Constitution knew that the very first time the new rules were followed, all of the senate seats would be filled, meaning that there would be multiple seats at stake in all departments. Similarly, the drafters of the 1999 electoral law knew that this year's election would have to fill multiple seats in all departments. Indeed, the law mandates a complicated set of procedures to address that very situation.

Moreover, the electoral law contains a careful description of the runoff procedures to be followed in the event that neither of the leading candidates in a given department garners an absolute majority. This provision is irrelevant if the electoral council's bizarre calculation method is used. Using that method, the leading candidate in every department is mathematically bound to win in the first round (and, as the overall results suggest, the second leading candidate is also extremely likely to win).

Democracy is rarely a matter of winning everything. In Haiti, where democracy is still struggling to take hold, the effort made to award everything to a single party -- via blatantly unfair electoral manipulations -- is a disturbing portent for the future.

Joanne Mariner, a Yale Law school graduate, is Deputy Director of the Americas Division of Human Rights Watch (www.hrw.org). She recently returned from an eleven-day mission to Haiti.

Mwen kwè ke w konprann angle, mwen pa bezwen tradwi anyen pou wou.
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Message  Joel Sam 22 Mai 2010 - 7:27

Al nou san koutya mezanmi.
Kounye an se yon distenksyon ant Dr mr ARISTIDE ou byen dr president Elect.
Se tankou mwen tande semèn sa a ,yon nonm yon Divalyeris rasi yo rele LALANNE ki ap chache sinyifikasyon lan delegasyon ou pa ,anbasad etranje ki pa t genyen ou pa lan LAKAYÈ semenn sa a.

YOUN lan non sa yo ki lan depèch lan,ARTURO VALENZUELA,ki aktyèlman an chaj politik ameriken lan amerik latin lan ,te opoze sistematikman a koudeta 2004 lan.
VALENZUELA te deklare ke koudeta sa a ,kont enterè ameriken,misye te menm kalifye Repibliken yo de yon bann kreten!

Si nou konprann y ap kite nou fè koudeta fwa sa a,men nou ,men nou 6 pye sou tè.fwa sa a se pa kont pèp lan yo pral lage bon jan zouti,se kont nou!

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Message  Thunder Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 9:01

Mwen byen kontan ke w rele sa "san koutya". Paske se pa mwen ki te kòmanse koze sa a, se lavalasyen kòryas parèy wou yo. Mwen jis demanti sa paske mwen te li lèt lan tou, li te ouvè bay piblik lan.

MEN KISA KE KAVALYE PòLKA YO TE REKLAME:


Perhaps the biggest blow to the opposition was a Dec. 1 letter U.S. President Bill Clinton sent to “President-elect Jean- Bertrand Aristide,” explicitly recognizing the Haitian leader. “Now, as I prepare to leave office and you prepare to return, I believe we have an opportunity to set the basis for a strengthened relationship in the years to come,” Clinton's letter reads.
(Hait Progres Vol. 18 #40)

Men ki kote ke yo ap minimize repons pòt pawòl anbasad Ameriken an Daniel Withman:

U.S. Embassy spokesman Daniel Whitman clumsily tried to obscure the letter's import, claiming that “it would be going a little far to call it a note of congratulations,” even though no FL spokesperson had called it that. Whitman said that Clinton called on Aristide to “pursue all possible ideas for finding a solution to the electoral impasse known since May 21, 2000” (when nationwide parliamentary elections went overwhelmingly to the FL), but the letter says nothing of the sort. Apparently losing all his diplomatic senses, Whitman called the CEP's calculation of 8 to 10 Senate seats “wrong” and said that “it is necessary that Haitian authorities restore, with a new Electoral council which would have credibility, its electoral process so as to restore the trust of the Haitian people and of the international community.” Of course, in light of the U.S. election fiasco, such admonishments are more than ever ridiculous.

Mwen kwè ke w konprann angle, si w pa kite fanatism wou bouche sèvo w kòm dabitid, mwen p ap bezwen fè yon desen pou wou pou w konprann.
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Message  jafrikayiti Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 9:25

Ki fè si mwen ben konprann diskisyon sa a, sa Ayisyen panse de eleksyon an pa t enpotan?

"blan an di ou ou mouri, ou mouri!"

Adye mezanmi - sa grav!

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Message  Thunder Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 9:56

Sa Ayisyen te panse de eleksyon 1990 yo te bay 1994 kòm rezilta. Men tou, sa yo te panse de eleksyon 2000 yo te bay 2004 kòm rezilta.

Oubyen m te ka di tou ke lè blan an te vinn bay Ayisyen pi move lawont nan listwa modèn nou, se "bon papa" ke nou te konn rele yo. Ki pwoblèm ki pou ta genyen si se vre ke baton ki te bat chyen nwè an ap bat chyen blan an tou Question Question Question

Wou va chwazi ant 2 tèz sa yo.
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Message  jafrikayiti Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 10:04

Thunder, lè mwen li sitasyon Jean Dominique ki anba tèks ou yo, sa fè mwen sonje yon foto George W. Bush k ap fete Kwanza epi k ap site pawol Martin Luther King Jr.

Ala yon lavi se lanmO!

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Message  Thunder Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 10:13

Pa vire koze an. Men ki kote pou ale pale koze sa a:

http://www.forumhaiti.com/haiti-politique-f3/les-paroles-de-jean-dominique-t8488.htm#69755

La a se pou pale de 2 tèz yo ke mwen pale yo. Kisa nan yo ki bon, sinon vini ak pa w.
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Message  jafrikayiti Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 10:17

kote 2 tèz yo bos papa!? ou ekri 2 koze tèt anba epi ou vle pou moun pèdi tan chwazi ki lès ladan yo ki pi kwochi? Ou komik wi!

Enben men repons mwen genyen pou devinèt ou a: m bwè pwa! Chalmas!

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Message  Joel Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 10:18

Pou m rete sou teren THUNDER an.Ki kote CLINTON di ke li pa rekonèt rezilta eleksyon 2000 yo?.Pa gen anyen ke li di ,ki enplike sa.
Antouka kontinye voye jilbrèt.Lè yo pa kite nou fè koudeta ,nou pa menm figiran lan fim lan

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Message  Thunder Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 10:21

jafrikayiti a écrit:kote 2 tèz yo bos papa!? ou ekri 2 koze tèt anba epi ou vle pou moun pèdi tan chwazi ki lès ladan yo ki pi kwochi? Ou komik wi!

Enben men repons mwen genyen pou devinèt ou a: m bwè pwa! Chalmas!

Bay sa ki pa kwochi an wou menm. Se pa kritike paske w fanatik, kritike paske w genyen yon bagay pou w di.
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Message  Thunder Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 10:22

Joel a écrit:Pou m rete sou teren THUNDER an.Ki kote CLINTON di ke li pa rekonèt rezilta eleksyon 2000 yo?.Pa gen anyen ke li di ,ki enplike sa.
Antouka kontinye voye jilbrèt.Lè yo pa kite nou fè koudeta ,nou pa menm figiran lan fim lan

Tèks lan devan zye w. Wou menm ki toujou konprann tout politik etranjè, mwen pa kwè ke m bezwen fè yon desen pou wou.
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Message  jafrikayiti Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 10:30

Whether Bill Clinton accepted or not the results of the 2000 elections in Haiti is IRRELEVANT! The fact is Haitians voted for the candidate for whom they had voted back in 1991 and it was predictable that they were going to vote in Aristide at the next opportunity they have to do so. In fact, since 1991, every time they could Haitians elected Aristide or Preval, his former Prime Minister. The fact is, the traditional political class in Haiti from whence the neo-colonial vultures choose their puppets is so useless, the US, FRANCE, CANADA and their allies have long concluded they cannot afford the risk of having Jean-Bertrand Aristide in the hemisphere - for fear that the population may still hope to re-elect him, instead of their docile puppets.

Now, many Haitians have been beaten up the head so many times, they are ready to abdicate their right to self-governance. Like the Nicaragwans who were told in no uncertain terms, they better give up on the idea of electing daniel Ortega - or else....Sam will get madder, there are Haitians who are scared shitless about the consequences of Aristide returning to his homeland, even as a simple citizen. This is like at the time of racial slavery, many subdued Africans were afraid to get Massa unhappy because of them troublemaking negroes.... so they always make it their duty to appease everyone based on what Massa dictates.....

Today, some of us are so beaten, we would be willing to see Monica Lewinsky named on the Haiti Rebuilding Commission, if this is what Massa demands.

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Message  Thunder Lun 24 Mai 2010 - 10:43

Se sa a ke w rele pa kwochi an?

Krèk ti bèt!

the US, FRANCE, CANADA and their allies have long concluded they cannot afford the risk of having Jean-Bertrand Aristide in the hemisphere

Se menm pawòl yo. Apa w akize blan an? Sa vle di ke w dakò ak tèz : "baton ki te bat chyen nwè an ap bat chyen blan an tou". Donk wou dakò ak yon bagay ki "kwochi". Nou pa bezwen konn pou ki rezon ke blan te voye Aristide nan mawon, menm jan ke nou pa bezwen konnen rezon ki fè ke Michel Francois al mawon tou an.

Kiyès ki te voye Cedras, Michel Francois... nan mawon? Sa sa ta fè si yo te voye Aristide nan mawon tou? ...Kòman w fè te bat bravo pou 19 Septanm 1994, men wou mete palto nasyonalis wou sou wou pou 29 fevriye 2004?
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