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Christianity and the ongoing Haitian Revolution (1791-2010)

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Message  jafrikayiti Lun 20 Sep 2010 - 20:30

In an August 2009, article titled A Giant Step for Mankind Made in Haïti - The Bwa Kay Iman uprising against slavery, I attempted to portray the context of the struggle led by the Africans on the island of Haiti. Here, I propose a discussion thread on the psychological context of that (ongoing) struggle from the 1791 period to the current day.

To begin the exchange, i propose the following quote:

Besides the shear physical terror, religion and the falsification of history top the list of powerful tools that were used to try to crush the human (African) spirit on the slave plantation. The damage caused to the African psyche by the recurring sermons of priests such as Father Labbat and Father Fauque de Cayenne are described in Jean Fouchard’s “Les marrons de la liberté”[17]. The tragic case of Scipio Africanus is illustrative of the disastrous damage that Christian brainwashing was indeed inflicting to enslaved Africans, some of whom would end up accepting racial slavery as their God-ordained fate, due to the very fact of being African.


The grave of Scipio Africanus…Scipio Africanus (1702 – 21 December 1720):

I who was Born a PAGAN and a SLAVE
Now sweetly sleep a CHRISTIAN in my Grave
What tho' my hue was dark my SAVIOR'S sight
Shall Change this darkness into radiant Light
Such grace to me my Lord on earth has given
To recommend me to my Lord in heaven
Whose glorious second coming here I wait
With saints and Angels him to celebrate

The grave of Scipio Africanus

It is my analysis that the powerful impact Christian white nationalism propaganda has had (and continues to exercise) on the Afrikan (Haitians includd) psyche cannot be overstated.

A Giant Step for Mankind Made in Haiti

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Message  jafrikayiti Lun 27 Sep 2010 - 21:51

“A belief in fatality removes all blame from the oppressor; the cause of misfortunes and of poverty is attributed to God: He is Fate. In this way, the individual accepts the disintegration ordained by God, bows down before the settler and his lot, and by a kind of interior restabilization acquires a stony calm”. Frantz Fanon The Wretched of the Earth (Evergreen Black Cat Edition, 1968, p. 54)


The challenges facing a son or daughter of Africa who has been raised in this neo-colonial environment where Eurocentric superstitions have the upper hand are many, they are rather sizeable, yet not insurmountable.

First, there is the issue of knowledge of the history of the Judeo-Christian beliefs, the historical context in which they were invented and, in some cases, their connection to older traditions, including African ones (Ancient Egypt, Nubia etc…), from which so many elements have been plagiarized and then Europeanized beyond recognition.

There is also the lack of knowledge concerning the actual roles played by various Christian sects (Catholics and Protestants) in the MAAFA (the 600 year old and ongoing persecution of Africans, the plunder of their land, resources and relentless warfare against their culture).

It is not coincidental that, every Sunday, over a billion sons and daughters of Africa worldwide continue to kneel in front of a portrait of Leonardo da Vinci, convinced that they are worshiping a universal GOD, albeit one who must - for some reason - be always represented “white” anywhere and everywhere.

How many Haitians are aware of the techniques used by père Fauque de cayenne or Père Labbat during the colonial period to try to subdue the revolted Africans and make them accept racial slavery as the divine order?

How many Haitian Christians know that the boat which British (zenglendo) Queen Elizabeth I sent with John Hawkins to kidnap Africans for the British empire - making a fortune for both Hawkins, the Queen and the host of parasites who live in the same court - was named THE JESUS? Is it not strange that we all know about the crimes of Adolf Hitler, but so little do we know about those of Elizabeth, Napoleon and Jefferson?

How many Haitian Christians know and understand how crucial the role that white supremacist christian teachings played in maintaining racial slavery in place in the Americas for as long as possible?

And, when the modern African (displaced or otherwise) does find out the truth about the anti-self Eurocentric superstition s/he was made to embrace from childhood, what alternatives does s/he know are available to her or him....? Would she recognize the negroid Isis with Heru seating on her lap, even from the Egyptian exhibit inside the Vatican itself? Can this ancient image help her differentiate the real thing from the copycat or is it too late? Would the gaze of ASAR (Osiris) the great Black, from the glass box in the Louvre tell her or him that her own Black African ancestors, deified for the magnitude of the feats accomplished here on earth are indeed more ancient and worthy of praise than those foreign names listed in the book said to be of a Moses who looks nothing like him or herself?

There are a host of psychological, economic and political ramifications that come with this situation.

When Africans (whether displaced or still on the continent) begin to produce a multitude of quality literary works in the languages spoken and understood by their people (Kreyol, Wolof, Kiswahili, Zulu, Xhosa….), then and only then shall we begin to break these mental chains that have been so cleverly and methodically put in place by the criminals who have been attacking our people relentlessly since the papal bull of Nicholas V to the reign of Joseph Ratzinger.

As reported in Brian Stevens’ Haitian Times article, unlike some of my compatriots like former priest Joseph Augustin, I do not believe Christianity can be salvaged for the conscious African. It has been perverted beyond repair.

Haitians need to rescue their brains before it gets to be too late!

http://godisnotwhite.com/AtiksouViv.htm

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Message  jafrikayiti Lun 27 Sep 2010 - 22:00

Menace de perdition tirée d’un Catéchisme "Règlements de discipline" qu’utilisait le Père Coutances :

"Serviteur infidèle et méchant, puisque vous avez manqué au service de votre maître, à l’obéissance que vous deviez à Dieu et à la Sainte Église pour vous livrer à l’égarement de votre cœur et vous exposer à la perte certaine de votre salut et de votre vie, nous vous condamnons par l’autorité de notre ministère à en faire pénitence ...vous déclarant que si vous manquez de l’accomplir et ne donnez des preuves certaines de repentir et d’amendements vous serez effacé du nombre des chrétiens, privé de l’entrée de l’église et abandonné à la mort sans assistance, sans sacrement et sans sépulture"... LES MARRONS DU SYLLABAIRES, JEAN FOUCHARD p.504



Tentative de manipulation psychologique par le Père Fauque de Cayenne:

"Souvenez-vous, mes chers enfants, leur disais-je, que quoi que vous soyez esclaves, vous êtes cependant chrétiens comme vos maîtres ; que vous faites profession depuis votre baptême de la même religion qu’eux laquelle vous apprend que ceux qui ne vivent pas chrétiennement tombent après leur mort dans les enfer. Quels malheur pour vous si, après avoir été les esclaves des hommes en ce monde et dans le temps vous deveniez esclaves du démon pendant toute l’éternité. Ce malheur pourtant vous arrivera infailliblement si vous ne vous rangez pas à votre devoir puisque vous êtes dans un état habituel de damnation : car, sans parler du tort que vous faites à vos maîtres en les privant de votre travail, vous n’entendez point la messe les jours saints ; vous n’approchez point des sacrements....Venez à moi mes chers amis" . Père Fauque de Cayenne, Les marrons de la liberté, p.504 Jean Fouchard, Editions de l’école, 1972.

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Message  Invité Lun 27 Sep 2010 - 22:35

Sim mkompran pou wou krystianism se yon relijyon blan? ok



moun nwa ki pratike krystianism depi pi lontan pase ewopeyen

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Message  jafrikayiti Lun 27 Sep 2010 - 23:02

Nice link T-Nèg! I wholeheartedly agree that the claim made by the European slave-makers that they were the possessor of the monotheistic religion described in the Bible - is historically false. However, there is today little in common between the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and the brand of anti-African, Eurocentric superstition that billions worldwide are practicing.

The fact is, most of the high principles of Judaism and its daughter Christianity, are actually derived from AFRICAN spirituality as it had been practiced for millenia in KMT. KUSH, PUNT in AFRIKA. Whether it is the rite of circumcision - which you can see from the walls of Ancient Egypt (KMT - land of the Blacks), or the weighing of the heart after death (judgement day), the Commendments of "Moses"...all of these are actually plagiarized from Africa.

However, the Christianity you have in much of the World today has more to do with Paul of Tarsus (the Roman agent), and Constantine the roman emperor...and less with Yesuah or the high spiritual values adopted from Africa.

You may also want to check this interesting connection that shows how a great thing can become perverted:

HOW AFRICANS RECUED JERUSALEM - and the truth got buried for centuries

http://www.amazon.com/Rescue-Jerusalem-Alliance-Hebrews-Africans/dp/1569472750


At the turn of the eighth century B.C., a mighty Assyrian army entered Judah and fought its way to the very gates of Jerusalem, poised, the prophet Isaiah warned, to "smash the city as easily as someone hurling a clay pot against the wall." But the assault never came; instead, the Assyrian army turned and fled, an event that has been called the Deliverance of Jerusalem. Whereas biblical accounts attribute the Assyrian retreat to divine intervention, journalist Henry Aubin offers an explanation that is miraculous in its own light: the siege was broken by the arrival of an army from Kushite Egypt--an army, that is, made up of black Africans. These Kushites figured in historical texts, Aubin continues, until the late 19th century, when racist scholars expunged them from the record--a process that, Aubin observes, coincided with the European conquest and colonization of Africa. The Kushite intervention assured the survival of the Hebrew people, Aubin asserts, and it deserves to be acknowledged anew. Well-written and carefully developed, though based on sometimes-uncertain evidence, Aubin's argument will doubtless excite discussion. --Gregory McNamee

From Library Journal
Aubin argues that the Kushite rescue of Jerusalem from certain annihilation in 701 B.C.E. instigated the Jewish concept of being God's "elect" and was therefore a seminal event in the development of Zionism. Dealing competently with the biblical and historical sources despite what some might see as a lack of formal training in this area (he is a journalist instead of a historian, though he did do graduate work in history at the University of Strasbourg), Aubin asserts that the Kushites black Africans who ruled Egypt at this time saved the city from destruction by the Assyrians. According to Aubin, historians accepted this view until the late 19th century, when colonialism impinged on the European perception of these events; suddenly, the theory that an epidemic weakened the Assyrian army rose to prominence. Aubin asserts that this was one of the most important battles in history; had the Assyrians wiped out Jerusalem, there would have been no Christianity or Islam. Whether or not one accepts his conclusions, this work is a wonderful exercise in historiography. Recommended for all academic libraries. Clay Williams, Hunter Coll. Lib., CUNY Copyright 2002 Cahners Business Information, Inc.

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Message  Invité Mar 28 Sep 2010 - 15:53

Ethiopie - Des nouvelles techniques de datations ont révélé qu’un manuscrit supposé avoir été écrit au XIème siècle daterait en réalité d’entre 330 et 650 après Jésus-Christ.

Selon la légende, c’est après avoir fondé le monastère de Garima au Vème siècle que le moine Abba Garima recopia en une seule journée les évangiles qui composent le manuscrit qui porte son nom.

Le livre contient ainsi des illustrations des récits des apôtres Mathieu, Jean, Marc et Luc et ce qui pourrait être la première illustration chrétienne : le Temple des Juifs. Le manuscrit sacré qui aurait des vertus magiques a depuis été précieusement conservé et n’a jamais quitté le monastère.

"Les moines pensent que le livre a les pouvoirs d’un livre sacré. Si quelqu’un de malade lit des passages du livre alors la force lui reviendrait. Alors que les moines ont toujours cru à la légende de Garima, ces nouvelles datations pourraient confirmer cela", a déclaré à la presse britannique Mark Winstanley qui a aidé à la conservation du livre.

http://www.zigonet.com/livre/le-premier ... 13428.html


si nou swiv byen lè ewopeyen te vin pou evanjelize Ethyopyen yo yo tonbe fas a yon mi: Nwa sa yo te gen menm relijyon ak yo e dautan plis ak menm liv

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Message  Joel Mar 28 Sep 2010 - 17:46

T-NEG;

Gade kote ETYOPI ye;li pa si tèlman lwen IZRAYÈL.Anvan yo te vin kretyen;menm jan ak IZRAYÈL yo te gen yon popilasyon JWIF.
Ou kapab twò jèn pou w sonje OPERASYON FALASHA a ,lè IZRAYELYEN te voye avyon pou evakwe JWIF FALASHA yo ke grangou t ap touye lan ETYOPI.
Lan zòn sa a ,ETYOPI,YEMEN,SOMALI te genyen JWIF ak KRETYEN byen avan LEWÒP.

KRISYANISM pa t penetre ann EWÒP si fasil ke sa non.Ewopeyen yo te deja gen relijyon yo ;gen kote ann EWÒP se anba masak wi,yo enpoze yo relijyon KRISYANISM.

Lè w ap di,MONDAY,TUESDAY,WEDNESDAY,THURSDAY ELT..;mande w de ki sa w ap pale.
Se de DYE SAKSON yo.

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Message  Invité Mer 29 Sep 2010 - 15:05

Joel a écrit:T-NEG;

Gade kote ETYOPI ye;li pa si tèlman lwen IZRAYÈL.Anvan yo te vin kretyen;menm jan ak IZRAYÈL yo te gen yon popilasyon JWIF.
Ou kapab twò jèn pou w sonje OPERASYON FALASHA a ,lè IZRAYELYEN te voye avyon pou evakwe JWIF FALASHA yo ke grangou t ap touye lan ETYOPI.
Lan zòn sa a ,ETYOPI,YEMEN,SOMALI te genyen JWIF ak KRETYEN byen avan LEWÒP.

KRISYANISM pa t penetre ann EWÒP si fasil ke sa non.Ewopeyen yo te deja gen relijyon yo ;gen kote ann EWÒP se anba masak wi,yo enpoze yo relijyon KRISYANISM.

Lè w ap di,MONDAY,TUESDAY,WEDNESDAY,THURSDAY ELT..;mande w de ki sa w ap pale.
Se de DYE SAKSON yo.

toujou gen etyopien ki jwif jous jounen jodya. Ethyopien kretien depi ples ke 1700 ans se poutet sa nou ka di nivo diplomasy yo gen plis afinite ak israel

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Message  jafrikayiti Sam 2 Oct 2010 - 9:21

Onè T-Nèg,

Ou ekri : "toujou gen etyopien ki jwif jous jounen jodya. Ethyopien kretien depi ples ke 1700 ans"

Pozitif! Ojis, si ou bezwen konprann listwa relijyon Krisyanis ak Jidayis, gen anpil koze se nan jiwon Etyopi, Ejip pou ou ale fouye zo nan kalalou pou ou konprann yo.

Mèzalò, keseswa rit, keseswa liv sakre moun sa yo ap itilize yo pa menm ak sa katolik osnon pwotestan Ayisyen, Kongolè, Meksiken, Ameriken ap itilize jounen jodi a.

Gen yon kokennchenn travay ewopeyanizasyon ki fèt nan relijyon an, depi alepòk tousuit apre Women yo te pete fyèl Yeshua, piti Mari ak Jozèf la. Si ou byen gade se makdwèt Pòl ki toupatou nan seksyon Bib la yo rele "nouvo kontra" a. E Pòl mennen relijyon an anndan teritwa Lewòp ak volontepou li adapte li ak koutim moun ki pa sikonsi yo - an reyalite sa vle di, depi alepòk, tout sipèstisyon ki te ekziste nan Lagrès, Wòm, elatriye te koumanse rantre fasilman nan lavi nouvo kretyen yo....se konsa plis tan t ap pase, plis koutim ansyen sèk jidayis la ke patizan Jezi yo te kreye a ap vin pi ewopeyen epi mwens jwif. Jiskaske nou genyen yon relijyon ki domine totalman pa ideyoloji, sipèstisyon, pratik ewopeyen.

Moun ou pa ta panse, admèt reyalite sa a. Kit se ansyen prezidan Meriken Thomas Jefferson - kit se Rev. Martin Luther King.

Dezyèm gwo enfliyans relijyon an sibi ki mennen li nan menm direksyon ewopeanizasyon sa a, se Lanperè Women an, Konstanten, ki lakòz.

Kidonk, jodi a, si ou remake Jezi, Mari, Jozèf, tout disip yo, tout apot yo, tout sen yo, Bondye papa a, zanj yo, pap yo....gwo chèf legliz pwotestan yo - kit se batis, pannkotis, episkopal, wesleyen, mòmon, advantis, temwenjova....tout se Blan.... menmsi plizyè milya fidèl yo se Afriken, Latino....se paske ewopeyanizasyon ki te koumanse ak Pòl la pat janm bout.

Lòt moun ap fè kèt, men se blan k ap jere komès la. E jiskaprezan tout pouvwa fè règleman se nan men yo li ye. Kit se katolik, kit se pwotestan!

Ou te mèt tande skandal seksyèl isit, skandal ekonomik la ba....gwo chèf yo pa p brennen, yo konnen ki wòl enpòtan zouti neyokolonyal sa a ap jwe pou yo. Nan Amerikdinò ak Ewòp, gwo palto katolik yo ap fèmen osnon vann legliz ...men se atò blan Vatican yo ap byen mennen- sou do ki lès, pou konbyen tan ankò?

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Message  Joel Sam 2 Oct 2010 - 11:00

WI JAF;
Kòm ou ka konnen JEFFERSON pa t menaje relijyon;tout relijyon.
T-NEG ka sezi sa de nèg tankou JEFFERSON ou byen BENJAMIN FRANKLIN di de relijyon;sitou relijyon kretyen yo!

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Message  Joel Dim 3 Oct 2010 - 11:03

Gen de bagay JEFFERSON te konn di ,menm JAF ta ezite di yo (LOL)

""Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him-JESUS,by his biographers,I find many passages of fine imagination,correct morality ,and of the most lovely benevolence;and others again OF SO MUCH IGNORANCE,SO MUCH ABSURDITY,SO MUCH UNTRUTH,CHARLATANISM AND IMPOSTURE as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being""
(THOMAS JEFFERSON,LETTER TO WILLIAM SHORT,APRIL 13,1820)

""The whole history of these books-THE GOSPELS is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute inquiry into it:and such tricks have been played with their text,and with the texts of other books relating to them,that we have a right ,from that cause,to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine.In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man ;AND THAT OTHER PARTS ARE OF THE FABRIC OF VERY INFERIOR MINDS.
It is as easy to separate those parts ,as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.""
(THOMAS JEFFERSON,LETTER TO JOHN ADAMS;JAN 24,1814)

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Message  jafrikayiti Dim 3 Oct 2010 - 13:52

Kom ou konnen sa Joel, mwen pa fanatik Jefferson ditou. Misye te yon esklavajis sovaj. Daprè mwenmenm, youn nan pi gwo kriminèl epok li parapo a jan li te trete Ayiti an patikilye, epi jan li te aji ak Afriken an jeneral. Mèzalo, Jefferson te fè bon jan rechèch sou bib la e sete yon entèlektyèl ki te gen kran. Anpil koze misye ekri yo chita so baz agiman solid -se sa ki te pèmèt li di yo, malgre se pat koze ki te popilè alepok. Parekzanp, nan Viv Bondye Aba Relijyon, ou ka jwenn sitasyon sa a:

Pòl se premye moun ki kowonpi doktrin Jezi yo
Thomas Jefferson (Prezidan Etazini), daprè rapòtay Ken Schei nan liv li Christianity Betrayed

Sa a se yon obsèvasyon enpotan pou yon moun ki enterese konprann ki jan Krisyanis - ki swadizan kreye nan non Jezi a, gen ladan li yon dividal pratik ki depaman ak sa yo di Jezi te di, osnon fè nan vivan li.

Pol, ki vin alatèt mouvman patizan Jezi yo, se tankou Toto Constant, ki ta rantre Ayiti toudenkou epi deklare, li se pot pawol Fanmi Lavalas, li pral oganize pati a pou eleksyon 2015 yo.

Malerezman,laplipa Kretyen aprann pou yo pa poze kesyon...osijè pawol BONDYE! (yo bliye se moun ki te di yo sa - epi kimoun wi?).

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Message  Joel Dim 3 Oct 2010 - 17:40

Mwen gen menm opinyon ak ou a pwopo de JEFFERSON.
Sou zafè relijyon ,kwayans,misye se te sa nèt.Misye pa t vle wè ak je ,moun ki lan klèje yo ;ke w te pè,pastè elt...
Se konsa BENJAMIN FRANKLIN te ye tou.
FRANKLIN te gen yon blag li konn bay ,pou l montre kouman relijyon kretyen yo entoleran.
Misye di ,ke te gen yon pastè pwotestan ki te vle konvèti ""endyen"" yo.Pastè an te debake pandan endyen sa yo te lan youn lan pratik relijye yo an ;misye tonbe preche ,pou l eksplike yo si yo aksepte ""bondye lanmou "" yo an ,y ap sove.
Endyen yo reflechi,yo panse se te ka yon bon bagay ;men tou menm endyen sa yo eksplike ke yo gen ""dye"" konsa lan relijyon pa yo an tou ,e yo di y ap jis ajoute ""dye"" pa pastè an sou sa yo te deja genyen .

FRANKLIN di ,pastè an di non paske dye pa endyen yo se ""SATAN"".Endyen yo pa t menm konnen sa SATAN an ye;yo youn gade lòt ak enkredilite,e yo jis kontinye lan seremoni yo;
FRANKLIN te jis vle eksplike absidite kwayans pastè an.

Kanta JEFFERSON limenm ;wi li se te yon rasis;se misye ki te anpeche diskisyon sou abolisyon lesklavay fèt pandan KONGRÈ KONTINANTAL lan.
ALEXANDER HAMILTON pa t vle wè JEFFERSON.Akòz de JEFFERSON ,patizan HAMILTON yo lan NÒ ETAZINI yo t ap pale de sesesyon paske yo konnen tout tan JEFFERSON te la,t ap gen esklavaj.
Si HAMILTON pa t mouri lan yon dyèl an 1804,listwa ETAZINI ta ka otreman.

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Message  Invité Dim 3 Oct 2010 - 18:36

mkwè sa'p denye pòs mwen sou relijyon isit lan, nou gen opinyon'n, m'gen pam e nou dwe respekte opynion zot.

Nou di ke Pòl dechouke krystianism, li ranje nan jan pa'l..

Nou di Pòl se li'k vin ak " White God "

poukisa kanon ethyopien genyen tout liv Pòl? Pa vinn dim li falsifye, kanon ethyopyen an la depi 328

empire romain adopte krystianism en 380 52 an plus tard


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Message  jafrikayiti Dim 3 Oct 2010 - 20:13

T-Nèg,

Pa konprann sa ki ekri la yo ekri ak okenn mechanste. Ojis, mwenmenm tou se nan legliz kretyen yo mwen leve. Ni papa m, ni gran papa m te pè Legliz Piskopal. Jiskaprezan, mwen respekte - e mwen kapab di mwen renmen frè ak sè mwen ki anndan legliz la. Gen anpil pè, anpil pastè k ap fè bon travay valab sou tè a. Men sa pa anpeche verite istorik yo montre nou aklè, sipèstisyon nou leve grandi ladan l lan, se yon sipèstisyon anti-Afriken, anti- pwòp tèt nou. De tout fason, kit se jenerasyon pa nou an, kit se sa k ap vini yo, vle pa vle y ap sètoblije detere verite osijè zouti ewopeyanizazonbifikasyon sa a ki kenbe pèp nou an anba bòt yon seri enstitisyon ki pèdi tout kredibilite.

Pa bliye, nou di Viv Bondye, menm kote nou di aba relijyon an. An plis, mwen di VIV MOUN! MOUN LIB!

Jaf

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