Charles Henry Baker Fe Nou Sonje Michael Manley Peyi Jamaique

Roseau di : mwen ta swete se vre li tankou Manley;men napren anyen nan pase li ki montre sa.

Joel di: Tankou m di ,similarite ant MANLEY ak BAKER se ke yo gen po klè;se sa sèlman.

Sasaye a écrit:Manle ak Bekè pa soti lan menm klas boujwa peyi yo.
Michael Manley se piti Norman Manle ki youn lan ewo endepandans ak emansipasyon pèp jamayiken an.
Yo pa lan klas boujwazi komèsyal, boutikye ak milatreri tankou Bekè.

Madam Michael Manle se yon bèl negès avèk cheve afro.

Ou wè diferans lan.

13196: Saint-Vil adds to discussion of Haitian elite(s) (fwd)

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Subject: 13196: Saint-Vil adds to discussion of Haitian elite(s) (fwd)
From: Bob Corbett <corbetre@webster.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:10:55 -0500 (CDT)
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From: Jean Saint-Vil <jafrikayiti@hotmail.com>

Dear Corbetters,

I would like to recommend 2 articles to anyone interested in this “Elite”
debate: “AN INSIDE LOOK AT HAITI’S BUSINESS ELITE” interview with “Patrick
James”, Haiti-based U.S. Businessman
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1995/01/mm0195_10.html

And “Haiti's Misery: Who's to Blame?”by Patrick Keaney ,response to a
November 2000 Michael Norton article published in the Boston Globe.
http://www.bostonglobewatchdog.com/1126.html

These two articles speak specifically of the business elite, which some
would more accurately call a business mafia.

I also noticed the messages dealing with the role of other Haitian elites
(intellectual, political…) and can only add the following. In my humble
opinion, overall, these intellectual and political elites have also
miserably failed the nation.

I concur that, throughout its life, Haiti has produced great men and women
who have contributed to the wellbeing of the nation (from political
visionaries as his Majesty Jean-Jacques Dessalines, President Florvil
Hyppolite, President Dumarsais Estimé, Daniel Fignolé to literary greats:
Antenor Firmin, Pradel Pompilus, Jacques Stephen Alexis, Jacques Roumain to
modern researchers and educators: Bayinnah Bello, Laënnec Hurbon, Jean
Dominique, Lilianne Pierre-Paul, Boukman Eksperyans etc… No doubt, Haiti has
produced gems of human beings that have tried to take seriously their role
as elites. However, in the whole, when after 200 years one observes that a
foreign-rooted oligarchy continues to maintain a bloody system of Apartheid
in the country; and, that this system is hardly seeing a serious challenge
facing it… one must admit that the educators have miseducated and the
politicians have mislead and misbehaved. Yes, the Haitian Elite(s) have
failed – so far.

Here are (in their own words) a few quotes from the short articles cited
above, which you may want to read in their entirety :

>From “AN INSIDE LOOK AT HAITI’S BUSINESS ELITE”

What are the leading empires?

James: There are probably a group of about 30 families, big families. Then,
after that, maybe another hundred or two hundred [at the] next level. There
aren’t many people, relative to the entire population, running the show.”

The first day I was at my office, one of the Haitian businessmen came in and
I said, “I can’t believe how poor these people are.” This guy was one of the
elite, light skin, blue eyes, and he said to me: “Oh yeah, we have to keep
these people tired and hungry, otherwise they’ll rise up against us.”

Do you think the U.S. government fears a possible uprising?

James: An uprising of the peasant majority? There’s no way that the Haitian
peasants can rise up. You have one section of the black population which is
now aligned with and making money with the rich. Not much, but more than
they could make as a farmer cutting mangoes. So now they have a gun and are
in control. They’re making a few bucks. The rich tell them to go out and
take down some village, shoot up a couple of people, chop their face off,
leave them in the street, and they’ll do it.”

>From “Haiti's Misery: Who's to Blame?”:

Norton, however, is willfully dishonest when he blames only the Haitian
"elite" for assuming "the cruel ways of the former slave masters," and his
description of Haiti's history as "unhappy" is the height of cynicism. After
all, the U.S. government has consistently backed the "elite" segment of the
Haitian population, moving in with its armed forces whenever the
"hovel-dwelling" mass of the population rose up and demanded their rights.

"The U.S. occupation was supposed to ensure elite control of the Haitian
peasantry and foreign control of the Haitian elite," according to Haitian
historian Patrick Bellegarde-Smith.”

And, finally, this eerie prediction from the author:

“Aristide has been set up to fail, and when he does, the old guard, the
"elite" with their "cruel ways," will return to power with the blessing of
the U.S. government”.

Jaf di: Mesye se nan yon ti peyi tou piti n ap viv tande

Sèl fòm rasis ki kontinye ap boloze nan peyi a, se rasis anti-nèg - anti-majorite a.

Sasaye di: Madam Michael Manley se yon bèl negès avèk cheve afro.
Ou wè diferans lan.

Wi Sasaye nou we diferans lan!
Pou Baker ta montre sinserite'l anver pep la fok se a yon ti bel negress avek cheve afro pou'l ta gen anba bwa'l bra'l.

Memm avek famm yo neg ap fe politik!

Si Baker tap fe kanpagn avek yon band ti neges avek li tout kote'l passe, nou tap di ke se hypokrit li ye.

Se possib si madam Baker ta yon ti bel neges kap mennen kanpagn kole kole ak li sa tap bay pep la plis konfyans.
Men sa pa yon garanti ke Baker te kap fe plis poin pase sa.

An nou kite famm kandida yo de kote e konsantre nou sou aveni peyi a!

MM: Do you think people would rise up if they had more resources?

James: No doubt about it. That’s the thing the [elite] Haitians are so afraid of. When there’s a mob mentality, anything can happen. I remember the night of the coup, I was asleep in bed. At about one o’clock in the morning I heard loud explosions, gunfire, chanting, screaming. I got up and looked out of my bedroom window. I was up on the side of a mountain and I could look down over the whole city. I saw different places on fire and I could tell there was something wrong. So I went outside to ask the night watchman what was going on. He was listening to the radio and said something happened to Aristide. I asked myself, “Am I the good guy or the bad guy?” I didn’t know. I didn’t know if the average Haitian would look at me as a white, a blanc, as the enemy, or if I was just someone that was not involved in the situation so they wouldn’t even bother me. I didn’t know what to do and I heard people chanting, coming up the side of the mountain. I could see different places on fire already on the mountainside.

So I turned around and went back to my house. I went back into my room and packed my backpack and I took the machete from under my bed and I went back outside to the night watchman. I asked him what we should do, and he said he didn’t know. So we hid. It was a bright moonlit night and we hid in the garage. I could see now there was a crowd out in front of the house, probably 200 people, flaming torches and machetes, and of course I start sweating bullets. They started chopping down the fence and the night watchman said, “We have to go out, otherwise they’re going to come in here.” So I just kind of took a deep breath, and the two of us walked into the moonlight and held our machetes. And I just remember looking up and at that point I could hear them yelling “Blancs, blancs, blancs restent ici,” meaning, “Whites stay here, whites live here.” And then, one by one, they started running away.

I spent the next two or three nights crawling around on my hands and knees on the floor listening to bullets whizzing by, and to gunfire.

During one of those days, I went over to a hotel where a bunch of my friends lived. I was sitting on the terrace of the hotel with the owner of the hotel, drinking coffee, talking about the situation, and all of a sudden I hear some screaming and I hear a truck winding up the mountainside. Suddenly, they let the back of the truck down and all the soldiers pile out and start chasing people around the hotel shooting them!

MM: Who were they chasing?

James: Just average Haitians. So the owner of the hotel and I wondered what the hell was going on. The two of us just stood up and went out and stood on the veranda with our hands on our hips watching this. And these guys went around and actually shot people, and went up on the side of the mountain, burned down people’s huts, and basically terrorized people.

MM: Why were they doing that?

James: Just to scare them. To let them know that the military is here; we’re in charge again; the Aristide movement is over; don’t even think about rising up or trying to get any power. What could I do? They acted as if the owner of the hotel and I weren’t even there. I was just a bystander.

MM: You were safe. They weren’t going to attack you?

James: No. At this point I started to realize, well, there’s something going on here that I don’t understand.

MM: What was that?

James: Well, that’s when I realized that the military was on the side of the rich and that, as an American, I had nothing to worry about. And that was the case most of the time in Haiti.

Le gros roseau a écrit:Doub

mon chè si w abitye rantre legliz Saint jean Bosco pike fanm yo ki ansent .boule legliz yo ;si yo fè yon ti barbecue ak en pe nan nou nanpren oken mal nan sa non.(lol)Nou genyen chans ke pep ayisyen se yon pep non vyolan.paske te dwe genyen anpil rel ka makorel deja wi.mwen kwè siw tap viv anvan 1804 ou tap mande pou Rochambeau ak Leclerc pann Dessalines wi.e ni se pa jwe map jwe.

2 video sa w montre la sa yo vle di.ke nan ka desas kote moun ap mouri ak grangou yo pa dwe defonse magasen ki genyen manje pou grangou pa touye yo?ese bagay saa wi ke fè mwen ak w pa genyen menm ideyoloji.wou se ti boujwa kipetet fet ak yon kiyè an arjan nan bouch w ,mwen se yon ti pov ki konnen sak rele grangou, sak rele vant fè mal lè vè ap tpouye m ,sak rele dan fè mal; epi mwen pa ka ale ka dantis.sak rele pa ka ale lekol paske paranm yo pa genyen kob pou yo achte liv pou mwen.ki donk se normal pou ap defann yon kò sanginè ki la pou pwotej enmterè ,mwen se poum lite jis sa kaba pou kò malfektè saa pa tounen sou moun ankò pou genyen yon revolutyon an ayiti kote tout moun se moun, tout ti moun ka ale elkol, tout mlad ka jwen swen doktè.Ou pou mentni privlilej de klass w mwen map defann enterè klass pam.klass moun ki ap mouri ak grangou kloroks yo.e ki ap manje biskwit labou a kos mechanste klass pa w la.Ou pa ka ban nou zannanna pou sizann ti mal.Fomatyon politik nou deja fet lontan.

Joel a écrit:Gen nèg ki toujou lan 2 bò.
Lan ki 2 bò.Se pa tout diskisyon ki gen 2 bò.
Pran yon moun tankou MANLEY ;mete li lan milye politik ayisyen an ,yo t ap fout li yon koudeta e yon nonm tankou BAKER pa t ap lan gade ki koulè misye te ye ,li t ap rele lame DAYITI pou vin fouke l.
Egen nèg ,depi gen diskisyon ,se pou chache yon jan pou yo vin foure LAVALAS ladan l.
Pèp ayisyen an pa t lan konsiderasyon koulè ak frè IZMERY yo ou byen ak yon JAN DOMINIK.

E de nèg tankou BAKER ;si de moun tankou IZMERY yo ,ou byen de moun tankou DOMINIK ta vin prezidan;li t ap chache yon mwayen pou li fouke yo!