NEG ki ap ize DAMBALA pou JOUMAN yo-APRANN ki jan KIBEN yo fe l.
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NEG ki ap ize DAMBALA pou JOUMAN yo-APRANN ki jan KIBEN yo fe l.
Moun sa yo ,yo rele GANGA ,ki kenbe KILTI an rekonet pa UNESCO.
Gen yon seri de NEG ki ap ize KILTI AFRIKEN an kom JOUMAN;manye aprann.
FRE CASTRO yo ki pa VODOUYIZAN konnen ke yon PEP pa ka avanse si yo fe NEGASYON de KILTI yo e adopte KILTI lot MOUN.
GANGA sa yo pa gen DOUT anpil ladan yo byen EDIKE men yo pap avanse ak KILTI PEPE:
https://vimeo.com/60288381
Gen yon seri de NEG ki ap ize KILTI AFRIKEN an kom JOUMAN;manye aprann.
FRE CASTRO yo ki pa VODOUYIZAN konnen ke yon PEP pa ka avanse si yo fe NEGASYON de KILTI yo e adopte KILTI lot MOUN.
GANGA sa yo pa gen DOUT anpil ladan yo byen EDIKE men yo pap avanse ak KILTI PEPE:
https://vimeo.com/60288381
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Re: NEG ki ap ize DAMBALA pou JOUMAN yo-APRANN ki jan KIBEN yo fe l.
Jowèl,
Lan lagrandans yo sèvi ak tèm GANGA A. Se konsa yo rele oungan.
Lan lagrandans yo sèvi ak tèm GANGA A. Se konsa yo rele oungan.
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Re: NEG ki ap ize DAMBALA pou JOUMAN yo-APRANN ki jan KIBEN yo fe l.
Sa m vle di SASAYE;
Mwen pa konprann konsepsyon ARYERE ke gen NEG kontinye genyen ak RELIJYON ak KILTI AFRIKEN an.
Li le pou NEG sispann ensilte VODOUYIZAN e kontinye pale de bagay ki pa chita sou anyen.
Yo pa di NEG vin VODOUYIZAN ou byen pratike SANTERIA KANDOMBLE ou byen LUCUMI elt..
Yo pa plis relijyon DYAB ke relijyon KRETYEN yo ki envante DYAB.
Yo di ak ankourajman gouvenman KIBEN an ;ou jwenn de PRATIK lan KIBA ki ap disparet ann AFRIK.
Pa egzanp tou,ann AYITI nou ka gen 4 a 5 CABILDO ki rete.
CABILDO yo se tankou SOUVENANS,SOUKRI DANACH ou byen LAKOU BADJO;lan KIBA gen plis ke 20 ,jiska 30.
Yo patou lan KIBA e mwen pa we ke KIBEN yo MODI pou sa!
Mwen pa konprann konsepsyon ARYERE ke gen NEG kontinye genyen ak RELIJYON ak KILTI AFRIKEN an.
Li le pou NEG sispann ensilte VODOUYIZAN e kontinye pale de bagay ki pa chita sou anyen.
Yo pa di NEG vin VODOUYIZAN ou byen pratike SANTERIA KANDOMBLE ou byen LUCUMI elt..
Yo pa plis relijyon DYAB ke relijyon KRETYEN yo ki envante DYAB.
Yo di ak ankourajman gouvenman KIBEN an ;ou jwenn de PRATIK lan KIBA ki ap disparet ann AFRIK.
Pa egzanp tou,ann AYITI nou ka gen 4 a 5 CABILDO ki rete.
CABILDO yo se tankou SOUVENANS,SOUKRI DANACH ou byen LAKOU BADJO;lan KIBA gen plis ke 20 ,jiska 30.
Yo patou lan KIBA e mwen pa we ke KIBEN yo MODI pou sa!
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Re: NEG ki ap ize DAMBALA pou JOUMAN yo-APRANN ki jan KIBEN yo fe l.
Sasaye a écrit:Lan lagrandans yo sèvi ak tèm GANGA A. Se konsa yo rele oungan.
C'est dans ce site que que j'ai appris le mot gangan. En effet, on utilise le terme ganga dans la Grand'Anse. Je ne me souviens pas une fois où ce personnage était menacé. Je n'ai jamais témoin de dénigrement au sujet des houngans si bien que c'est seulement de la bouche des gens du Nord et de Port-au-Prince que le terme péjoratif bokor m'est devenu familier. Ce n'est pas étonnant que ce dernier terme réfère à un personnage méchant, destructeur. Cela dit, il existe des mauvais partout.
Vers l'âge de quatorze ans, j'ai fait la connaissance d'un parent de mon père (même souche, même patronyme). Un grand bel homme, costaud, bâti comme une armoire à glace qui avait toujours vécu à la campagne. Je me souviens de ses beaux vêtements, de son parfum et de ses belles manières. Rien de ce que j'aurais supposé si nous avions été des enfants mal élevés. Il était apparemment l'un des plus grands houngans sinon le plus fort de toute la région.
Nous l'avions croisé lors de funérailles. Jusque là, même mon père le connaissait à peine; mes parents n'était pas des vaudouisants. Ce n'est que plus tard que que j'ai compris que ces individus-là allaient souvent séjourner à Port-au-Prince, chez des grandes familles bourgeoises ou auprès des hôtes du palais national.
C'est dommage que l'Église est peinte à un moment donné comme dotée la mission réductrice de combattre le mal mais cela prend des ornières pour affirmer que le diable est une invention du catholicisme. Allez donc au diable Vauvert!
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Re: NEG ki ap ize DAMBALA pou JOUMAN yo-APRANN ki jan KIBEN yo fe l.
Mwen ta ka pwouve w ke se yon ENVANSYON KATOLISISIM .
Men mwen pran LESON m ;mwen pa p voye WOCH pou konble LANME.
Ann atandan.
Mwen ta renmen nenpot MOUN pwouve m si gen yon bagay yo rele DYAB.
Men renmen aprann!
Men mwen pran LESON m ;mwen pa p voye WOCH pou konble LANME.
Ann atandan.
Mwen ta renmen nenpot MOUN pwouve m si gen yon bagay yo rele DYAB.
Men renmen aprann!
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Re: NEG ki ap ize DAMBALA pou JOUMAN yo-APRANN ki jan KIBEN yo fe l.
Moro,
Genyen apeprè ven tan, lè m pase Jeremi pou al pran avyon pou Pòtoprens.
Mwen te avèk manman m e li te vle al vizite zanmi l.
Moun sayo trè konni lan vil lan. Yo genyen yon magazen general anba lavil e yon lòt sè genyen yon kenkayri lan bòdmè.
Nou rive lan magazen an e se te bél fèt pou resevwa manman m, yo pat konnen m. De moun ki chalere lè yo vle paske yo konsyan plas yo lan sosyete vil lan.
Mwen te wè kijan yo resevwa kliyan òdinè.
Toudenkou, mwen wè e frè ki ap dirije biznis lan e sè ki te asistan e granmoun manman yo ki te lan katreven, yo tout kouri pote chèz, yon vè dlo ak anpil reverans. Nèg ke yo tap resevwa konsa a se te yon peyizan tipik Lagrandans.
Li te genyen kostim gwoble l ak sakoch li sou zepòl li.
Mwen pa t konprann anyen lan konpòtman saa, men mwen tap swiv.
Se apre nou ale ke manman m di m se ti fanmi eritye Antwan Langommye.
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Re: NEG ki ap ize DAMBALA pou JOUMAN yo-APRANN ki jan KIBEN yo fe l.
SASAYE;
Se pou yo kontinye bay MOUN sa yo respe e pou nou sispann PRATIK MWAYENNAJ INYORAN nou yo ke depi yon RELIJYON se pa ann EWOP yo soti ;se relijon DYAB.
Byen ke KIBA ak BREZIL pa pase lan pratik BRITAL tankou KANPAY REJETE nou yo ;men KATOLIK yo te fe rantre lan TET yo ke RELIJYON AFRIKEN yo te relijyon DYAB tou (ADYE).
Yo evolye!
Sa a se yon ATIK ki te paret sou NEW YORK TIMES an 1998; apre lanmo yon GWO MAMBO lan BREZIL ki te rele CLEUSA MILLET.
Si w li ATIK lan w ap we ke PREZIDAN BREZIL lan ki te yon gwo ENTELEKTYEL BREZILYEN ki rele CARDOSO rekonet ke li te konn al konsilte MANMZEL.
CLEUSA MILLET se te ZANMI youn lan pi GRAN EKRIVEN BREZILYEN yo ;misye se te yon OUGAN tou ;yo te rele misye JORGE AMADO:
Cleusa Millet Is Dead at 67; Nurtured Afro-Brazilian Faith
By DIANA JEAN SCHEMO
Published: October 25, 1998
RIO DE JANEIRO, Oct. 24— Cleusa Millet, a former nurse who became the spiritual leader of one of the most celebrated Candomble temples in Brazil, died on Oct. 15 in Salvador da Bahia. She was 67.
Newspapers reported the cause of death as heart failure.
Known as Mother Cleusa, Mrs. Millet presided over the Candomble temple at Alto do Gantois in Salvador, Brazil's first capital, now home to a flourishing renaissance of Afro-Brazilian culture. Candomble is the strongest of Brazil's syncretist religions, mixing the nature-based beliefs some four million slaves brought from Africa with the Catholicism of the Portuguese colonists.
Its pantheon of orixas -- gods and goddesses of wind, oceans, still water, metals and fire -- correspond to Catholic saints, and appear in masks and swaying skirts of raffia.
Mother Cleusa took over the Gantois terreiro, as the temple is known, from her mother, Maria Escolastica da Conceicao Nazare, known as Mother Menininha, after her mother's death 10 years ago.
A towering figure in Afro-Brazilian culture, Mother Menininha helped transform Candomble from a belief whose rituals of animal sacrifice, possession, music and dance were persecuted as a form of devil worship to a religion accepted in the highest levels of society. Though initially reluctant to give up her nursing career, Mother Cleusa tended her mother and the Gantois temple during her mother's final years of ailing health, eventually agreeing to succeed her, if that were to be her fate.
She became the new high priestess through a ritual known as throwing the shells, in which the orixas are said to select the new spiritual leader of a temple through the shells. The Gantois is one of the few Candomble temples in Brazil whose leadership has passed along blood lines and has always been headed by a woman.
''Mother Cleusa represented the continuity of an important line in Candomble,'' said Jeferson Bacelar, an anthropology professor at the Center for the Afro-Oriental Studies at the Federal University of Bahia.
Mother Cleusa was not known for initiating any dramatic changes in Candomble, but dedicated herself to tending what her mother had built. With the help of wealthy patrons, she renovated the temple and created a memorial to her mother that became a kind of museum of Candomble. She collected donations from the Brazilian rich and renown, some of whom have become devotees of Candomble with the religion's growing popularity in recent years.
Her friends and associates included the singers Gilberto Gil, Maria Bethania and Caetano Veloso, and the President of the Senate, Antonio Carlos Magalhaes. Several times, Mother Cleusa met with President Fernando Henrique Cardoso, who once said that he was born ''with one foot in the kitchen,'' an expression suggesting he was part black. The Governor of Bahia declared a day of official mourning for her.
''She was a very fine person,'' said Zelia Gattai, a Brazilian writer. ''She would help anybody who needed her.'' Ms. Gattai's husband, Jorge Amado, the author, was also friends with Mother Cleusa.
''She was very much like her mother,'' said Walson Botelho, artistic director of the Bale Folclorico da Bahia, who is a senior figure in another Candomble temple in Salvador. ''She had a conciliatory spirit, and was a good, honest person,'' said Mr. Botelho. ''She treated everybody the same, whether it was a poor person or the President.''
On Wednesday, the seventh day after her death, followers held the last funeral ceremony at her temple, Mr. Botelho said. In the center of the room were the objects she loved, including her favorite foods, clothes and belongings. The drums, which are associated with the orixas, remained silent.
The natural successor to Mother Cleusa is her eldest daughter, Monica Millet. Mother Cleusa is survived by three other children as well. They are Alvaro, Zeno Eduardo and Ana Carolina.
A percussionist for Mr. Gil and other top musicians, Monica Millet, 37, has said she does not intend to take her mother's place as the high priestess of Candomble. But then again, her mother was once heard to say the same.
Photo: Cleusa Millet (Paulo Giandalia/Folha Imagem, 1993)
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Se pou yo kontinye bay MOUN sa yo respe e pou nou sispann PRATIK MWAYENNAJ INYORAN nou yo ke depi yon RELIJYON se pa ann EWOP yo soti ;se relijon DYAB.
Byen ke KIBA ak BREZIL pa pase lan pratik BRITAL tankou KANPAY REJETE nou yo ;men KATOLIK yo te fe rantre lan TET yo ke RELIJYON AFRIKEN yo te relijyon DYAB tou (ADYE).
Yo evolye!
Sa a se yon ATIK ki te paret sou NEW YORK TIMES an 1998; apre lanmo yon GWO MAMBO lan BREZIL ki te rele CLEUSA MILLET.
Si w li ATIK lan w ap we ke PREZIDAN BREZIL lan ki te yon gwo ENTELEKTYEL BREZILYEN ki rele CARDOSO rekonet ke li te konn al konsilte MANMZEL.
CLEUSA MILLET se te ZANMI youn lan pi GRAN EKRIVEN BREZILYEN yo ;misye se te yon OUGAN tou ;yo te rele misye JORGE AMADO:
Cleusa Millet Is Dead at 67; Nurtured Afro-Brazilian Faith
By DIANA JEAN SCHEMO
Published: October 25, 1998
RIO DE JANEIRO, Oct. 24— Cleusa Millet, a former nurse who became the spiritual leader of one of the most celebrated Candomble temples in Brazil, died on Oct. 15 in Salvador da Bahia. She was 67.
Newspapers reported the cause of death as heart failure.
Known as Mother Cleusa, Mrs. Millet presided over the Candomble temple at Alto do Gantois in Salvador, Brazil's first capital, now home to a flourishing renaissance of Afro-Brazilian culture. Candomble is the strongest of Brazil's syncretist religions, mixing the nature-based beliefs some four million slaves brought from Africa with the Catholicism of the Portuguese colonists.
Its pantheon of orixas -- gods and goddesses of wind, oceans, still water, metals and fire -- correspond to Catholic saints, and appear in masks and swaying skirts of raffia.
Mother Cleusa took over the Gantois terreiro, as the temple is known, from her mother, Maria Escolastica da Conceicao Nazare, known as Mother Menininha, after her mother's death 10 years ago.
A towering figure in Afro-Brazilian culture, Mother Menininha helped transform Candomble from a belief whose rituals of animal sacrifice, possession, music and dance were persecuted as a form of devil worship to a religion accepted in the highest levels of society. Though initially reluctant to give up her nursing career, Mother Cleusa tended her mother and the Gantois temple during her mother's final years of ailing health, eventually agreeing to succeed her, if that were to be her fate.
She became the new high priestess through a ritual known as throwing the shells, in which the orixas are said to select the new spiritual leader of a temple through the shells. The Gantois is one of the few Candomble temples in Brazil whose leadership has passed along blood lines and has always been headed by a woman.
''Mother Cleusa represented the continuity of an important line in Candomble,'' said Jeferson Bacelar, an anthropology professor at the Center for the Afro-Oriental Studies at the Federal University of Bahia.
Mother Cleusa was not known for initiating any dramatic changes in Candomble, but dedicated herself to tending what her mother had built. With the help of wealthy patrons, she renovated the temple and created a memorial to her mother that became a kind of museum of Candomble. She collected donations from the Brazilian rich and renown, some of whom have become devotees of Candomble with the religion's growing popularity in recent years.
Her friends and associates included the singers Gilberto Gil, Maria Bethania and Caetano Veloso, and the President of the Senate, Antonio Carlos Magalhaes. Several times, Mother Cleusa met with President Fernando Henrique Cardoso, who once said that he was born ''with one foot in the kitchen,'' an expression suggesting he was part black. The Governor of Bahia declared a day of official mourning for her.
''She was a very fine person,'' said Zelia Gattai, a Brazilian writer. ''She would help anybody who needed her.'' Ms. Gattai's husband, Jorge Amado, the author, was also friends with Mother Cleusa.
''She was very much like her mother,'' said Walson Botelho, artistic director of the Bale Folclorico da Bahia, who is a senior figure in another Candomble temple in Salvador. ''She had a conciliatory spirit, and was a good, honest person,'' said Mr. Botelho. ''She treated everybody the same, whether it was a poor person or the President.''
On Wednesday, the seventh day after her death, followers held the last funeral ceremony at her temple, Mr. Botelho said. In the center of the room were the objects she loved, including her favorite foods, clothes and belongings. The drums, which are associated with the orixas, remained silent.
The natural successor to Mother Cleusa is her eldest daughter, Monica Millet. Mother Cleusa is survived by three other children as well. They are Alvaro, Zeno Eduardo and Ana Carolina.
A percussionist for Mr. Gil and other top musicians, Monica Millet, 37, has said she does not intend to take her mother's place as the high priestess of Candomble. But then again, her mother was once heard to say the same.
Photo: Cleusa Millet (Paulo Giandalia/Folha Imagem, 1993)
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