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Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Marc H Mer 7 Déc 2016 - 20:34
Haïti a-t-elle choisi son nouveau Président ?
A première vue, tout porte à le croire et, après plus d'un an de crise électorale et de blocage institutionnel, cela ressemble à une bonne nouvelle. Cet extrait du " Monde " du 29 nove…
http://lenouvelliste.com/lenouvelliste/article/165993/Haiti-a-t-elle-choisi-son-nouveau-President#sthash.YtEebBTc.gbpl
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Sasaye Mer 7 Déc 2016 - 22:31
Mak,
Ou fè erè. Ou twò optimis.
Neg ki ayisyen jodya, se nèg tankou AleksJak avèk Alves ki entoksike avèk pwazon tètkale. Mesye sayo ap danse banda san konprann sak ap pase.
En reyalite, nèg ki ekri atik saa, avèk tout lusidite, se yon moun ki etidye e konprann jwèt la.
Se yon Matinikè ki sanble pi renmen Ayiti pase mesye sayo.
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Joel Jeu 8 Déc 2016 - 5:55
Antouka ,se yon ti pwogre;LE NOUVELLISTE pa pibliye ATIK NEGATIF sou MAFYA TET KALE an.
Si w bezwen konnen sa ki ap pase ann AYITI E ki les MESYE sa yo ye se lan PRES LANG ANGLE an pou w ale.
Se lan tout PWEN ,se AMERIKEN ak ANGLE ki EKRI sou NITIGRITI GNBis yo ,KOUDETAYIS yo ak mesye TET KALE yo.
NEG ki ekri ATIK lan ,di se ENPOSIB ,se ta yon MIRAK pou JOVNEL ta fe plis ke 50% lan premye TOU.
Pou mwen menm sa pa ta ENPOTAN non ,men ki ALATET ann AYITI yo bay sa ki EKRI lan PRES FRANSE an ,yon seten ENPOTANS.
Apre ATIK LIBERATION an ki di ke ELEKSYON JOVNEL MOISE lan se yon KATASTROF pou AYITI ,men LE MONDE di ke li pa kwe ke JOVENEL MOYIZ eli VRE:
Se de JOUNAL ki te femen DYOL yo ,le yo t ap MASAKRE POPILASYON an ,ant 2004-2006.
Haïti a-t-elle choisi son nouveau Président ?
Un rappel des précédents épisodes s’impose pour comprendre à quel point ce nouveau rebondissement est incroyable, ….et peu crédible. Il faut tout d’abord se rappeler que les résultats du premier tour d’octobre 2015, annulé suite à des fraudes massives avérées, plaçaient Jovenel Moïse en tête avec « seulement »
30% des voix environ (32,76% précisément).
Il faut se rappeler également qu’à l’époque, les observateurs internationaux et les pays dits « amis d’Haïti », dont la France, avaient été les seuls, avec le PHTK (le parti de Michel Martelly et de Jovenel Moïse), à nier ces fraudes, qui ont par la suite été démontrées.
On peut donc tout d’abord se demander pourquoi un candidat qui a bénéficié de fraudes massives n’a pas été éliminé de la suite du processus électoral, alors que d’autres candidats ont été éliminés en amont pour des raisons parfois totalement infondées.
On peut ensuite se demander par quel miracle ce même candidat, qui a obtenu 30% des voix grâce à des fraudes massives, pourrait arriver un an plus tard à obtenir plus de 55% des voix, dès le premier tour, sans frauder.
Il faut aussi se rappeler que Michel Martelly a quitté le pouvoir, en février 2016, avec une impopularité record, pire que celle que connaît François Hollande aujourd’hui en France. En effet, un an avant la fin de son mandat, des manifestations massives et répétées ont réclamé pendant plusieurs mois son départ anticipé et l’on forcé à se séparer de son premier ministre Laurent Lamotte, avec lequel il formait un tandem indissociable.
On peut donc se demander par quel autre miracle son nouveau dauphin serait à ce point plébiscité aujourd’hui.
Il faut également se rappeler qu’il y avait 27 candidats à ce premier tour, dont au moins quatre candidats importants, appuyés par de grosses formations politiques solidement implantées dans l’ensemble du pays. La possibilité pour un candidat de recueillir à lui seul plus de 50% des suffrages dans un tel contexte est mathématiquement extrêmement improbable et politiquement inexplicable, à moins qu’il ne s’agisse, là encore, d’un miracle.
On peut par ailleurs s’étonner que Jovenel Moïse soit aussi largement en tête dans l’ensemble du pays, même dans les bastions incontestés de l’opposition dans lesquels il n’a presque jamais pu mettre les pieds.
Au total, il faudrait donc beaucoup, beaucoup de miracles pour expliquer de tels résultats.
Pour ma part, j’ai du mal à croire aux miracles, et encore plus à la multiplication des miracles. Il m’est d’autant plus difficile de croire à tous ces miracles en série que je n’ai pas oublié que Michel Martelly lui-même avait été « élu » avec, officiellement, près de 70% des voix au second tour face à Mirlande Manigat (67,57% très exactement). Cinq ans après, peu avant la fin du mandat de Michel Martelly, le directeur du Conseil électoral provisoire de l’époque, devenu entre-temps président du CEP, reconnaissait publiquement que ces résultats ne reflétaient pas le véritable choix des électeurs et qu’il découlait de fortes pressions extérieures exercées depuis le premier tour de cette élection.
Toutes ces raisons m’amènent à douter fortement des derniers résultats officiels et à penser que, contrairement aux apparences, Haïti n’a pas vraiment choisi son nouveau Président.
Si w bezwen konnen sa ki ap pase ann AYITI E ki les MESYE sa yo ye se lan PRES LANG ANGLE an pou w ale.
Se lan tout PWEN ,se AMERIKEN ak ANGLE ki EKRI sou NITIGRITI GNBis yo ,KOUDETAYIS yo ak mesye TET KALE yo.
NEG ki ekri ATIK lan ,di se ENPOSIB ,se ta yon MIRAK pou JOVNEL ta fe plis ke 50% lan premye TOU.
Pou mwen menm sa pa ta ENPOTAN non ,men ki ALATET ann AYITI yo bay sa ki EKRI lan PRES FRANSE an ,yon seten ENPOTANS.
Apre ATIK LIBERATION an ki di ke ELEKSYON JOVNEL MOISE lan se yon KATASTROF pou AYITI ,men LE MONDE di ke li pa kwe ke JOVENEL MOYIZ eli VRE:
Se de JOUNAL ki te femen DYOL yo ,le yo t ap MASAKRE POPILASYON an ,ant 2004-2006.
Haïti a-t-elle choisi son nouveau Président ?
Un rappel des précédents épisodes s’impose pour comprendre à quel point ce nouveau rebondissement est incroyable, ….et peu crédible. Il faut tout d’abord se rappeler que les résultats du premier tour d’octobre 2015, annulé suite à des fraudes massives avérées, plaçaient Jovenel Moïse en tête avec « seulement »
30% des voix environ (32,76% précisément).
Il faut se rappeler également qu’à l’époque, les observateurs internationaux et les pays dits « amis d’Haïti », dont la France, avaient été les seuls, avec le PHTK (le parti de Michel Martelly et de Jovenel Moïse), à nier ces fraudes, qui ont par la suite été démontrées.
On peut donc tout d’abord se demander pourquoi un candidat qui a bénéficié de fraudes massives n’a pas été éliminé de la suite du processus électoral, alors que d’autres candidats ont été éliminés en amont pour des raisons parfois totalement infondées.
On peut ensuite se demander par quel miracle ce même candidat, qui a obtenu 30% des voix grâce à des fraudes massives, pourrait arriver un an plus tard à obtenir plus de 55% des voix, dès le premier tour, sans frauder.
Il faut aussi se rappeler que Michel Martelly a quitté le pouvoir, en février 2016, avec une impopularité record, pire que celle que connaît François Hollande aujourd’hui en France. En effet, un an avant la fin de son mandat, des manifestations massives et répétées ont réclamé pendant plusieurs mois son départ anticipé et l’on forcé à se séparer de son premier ministre Laurent Lamotte, avec lequel il formait un tandem indissociable.
On peut donc se demander par quel autre miracle son nouveau dauphin serait à ce point plébiscité aujourd’hui.
Il faut également se rappeler qu’il y avait 27 candidats à ce premier tour, dont au moins quatre candidats importants, appuyés par de grosses formations politiques solidement implantées dans l’ensemble du pays. La possibilité pour un candidat de recueillir à lui seul plus de 50% des suffrages dans un tel contexte est mathématiquement extrêmement improbable et politiquement inexplicable, à moins qu’il ne s’agisse, là encore, d’un miracle.
On peut par ailleurs s’étonner que Jovenel Moïse soit aussi largement en tête dans l’ensemble du pays, même dans les bastions incontestés de l’opposition dans lesquels il n’a presque jamais pu mettre les pieds.
Au total, il faudrait donc beaucoup, beaucoup de miracles pour expliquer de tels résultats.
Pour ma part, j’ai du mal à croire aux miracles, et encore plus à la multiplication des miracles. Il m’est d’autant plus difficile de croire à tous ces miracles en série que je n’ai pas oublié que Michel Martelly lui-même avait été « élu » avec, officiellement, près de 70% des voix au second tour face à Mirlande Manigat (67,57% très exactement). Cinq ans après, peu avant la fin du mandat de Michel Martelly, le directeur du Conseil électoral provisoire de l’époque, devenu entre-temps président du CEP, reconnaissait publiquement que ces résultats ne reflétaient pas le véritable choix des électeurs et qu’il découlait de fortes pressions extérieures exercées depuis le premier tour de cette élection.
Toutes ces raisons m’amènent à douter fortement des derniers résultats officiels et à penser que, contrairement aux apparences, Haïti n’a pas vraiment choisi son nouveau Président.
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Joel Jeu 8 Déc 2016 - 6:56
Se sel lan PRES GNBis KOUDETAYIS POUTCHIS ANACHIS ,machann MIKRO ann AYITI yo ou tande ke te gen ELEKSYON e ke JOVNEL te fe 55 %.
Nou pa bezwen pale de sa ki ap di lan PRES LANG ANGLE an,PRES LANG FRANSE an ,ap ETONE MOUN le y ap voye SON DEPAMAN lan OKES FILAMONIK lan.
Le PRES LANG PANYOL lan ,rantre lan WON pou rele NEG yo VOLO ELEKSYON ,BWA a komanse MARE.
Nou pa bezwen FO lan PANYOL ,pou nou konprann sa NEG sa a vle di;se yon PANYOL ki pa two difisil:
http://jornada.unam.mx/2016/12/07/politica/020a2pol
Nou pa bezwen pale de sa ki ap di lan PRES LANG ANGLE an,PRES LANG FRANSE an ,ap ETONE MOUN le y ap voye SON DEPAMAN lan OKES FILAMONIK lan.
Le PRES LANG PANYOL lan ,rantre lan WON pou rele NEG yo VOLO ELEKSYON ,BWA a komanse MARE.
Nou pa bezwen FO lan PANYOL ,pou nou konprann sa NEG sa a vle di;se yon PANYOL ki pa two difisil:
http://jornada.unam.mx/2016/12/07/politica/020a2pol
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Alves Jeu 8 Déc 2016 - 9:02
Jean Hector Anacacis fait la radiographie de l’échec
de Jude Célestin
Pour briser son silence, l’ancien sénateur Jean Hector Anacacis jette un pavé dans la
mare ce lundi. En plein contexte de contestations et de protestations contre les résultats
préliminaires donnant Jovenel Moïse gagnant, ses propos sont susceptibles de mettre un
terme aux atermoiements. Le chef de LAPEH a tenté d’expliquer les causes
de la défaite de Jude Célestin. S’il croit que la victoire de Jovenel Moïse est
due à un « complot » du PHTK contre le peuple haïtien, Anacasis attend
toutefois le résultat des contestations. « On a proclamé les résultats. La loi
doit triompher dans tout système démocratique. L’article 175 du décret
confère au candidat le droit à la contestation. On n’a aucun problème avec
la démarche de Jude Célestin. On attend le résultat du contentieux. On ne
va pas protester dans les rues, mais nous respectons le choix de la
population qui a choisi cette voie », a rappelé l'ancien sénateur, réprimant
les actes de violence enregistrés la semaine dernière.
Connu pour son franc-parler, l’ancien candidat à la présidence à l'élection
présidentielle de 2010 pointe un manque d’ouverture dans l’entourage de
Jude Célestin. « Il ne veut pas faire de « complot » avec la bourgeoisie, la
communauté internationale, l’élite intellectuelle, la presse, le peuple, etc. »,
souligne-t-il.
Jean Hector Anacacis déplore des failles organisationnelles dans l’équipe
de campagne de Jude Célestin. « Il y avait deux structures : l’équipe de
campagne du candidat et une structure du parti LAPEH. Il y a eu un
malentendu entre ces deux groupes », a-t-il fait savoir. Pour compenser le
manque de candidats aux élections régionales, il indique que son parti a
formé une coalition de cinq partis politiques, de plus d’une dizaine de
personnalités politiques et de plus de 21 000 mandataires. Il déplore que
l’équipe de campagne du candidat ait choisi de bouder cette coalition. « S’il
était conscient de la portée de sa candidature, il aurait pu s’en remettre aux
stratégies du parti. Il s’est en revanche entouré de gens incompétents, qui
sont incapables de toute analyse », assène-t-il.
Le responsable de LAPEH ne digère pas l’attitude de son poulain qui, selon
lui, est l’une des principales causes de sa défaite. «Mercredi, quelques jours
avant la fermeture de la campagne électorale, nous l’avions invité à planifier
la fin de la campagne et la journée électorale; il ne s’était pas présenté.
Jusqu’à présent, il n’a jamais expliqué les raisons de son absence. Jude
Célestin ne s’est pas rendu compte qu’il était le candidat du secteur
démocratique. Il a boudé une rencontre de 30 parlementaires, planifiée par
Joanas Gué à Mirebalais. Il a rencontré 43 parlementaires à Kinam Hôtel
sans faire de suivi », a-t-il déclaré. Quoique sidéré, l’ancien sénateur
Anacacis signale toutefois qu’il n’entend pas se dédouaner. « Je continue de
l’appuyer dans toutes ses démarches légales », assure-t-il, soulignant qu’il
fait l’objet de critique de la part des membres de la coalition qui préféraient
une candidature d’Éric Jean Baptiste à celle de Jude Célestin. L’ancien
sénateur de l’Ouest indique plus loin qu’il revient au candidat de LAPEH de
faire son autocritique. Toutefois, il souligne qu’il ne veut pas porter à lui seul
la responsabilité de l’échec. « Il faut que la population soit également au
courant de sa responsabilité», exige-t-il.
Le Nouvelliste
Jean Daniel Senat
de Jude Célestin
Pour briser son silence, l’ancien sénateur Jean Hector Anacacis jette un pavé dans la
mare ce lundi. En plein contexte de contestations et de protestations contre les résultats
préliminaires donnant Jovenel Moïse gagnant, ses propos sont susceptibles de mettre un
terme aux atermoiements. Le chef de LAPEH a tenté d’expliquer les causes
de la défaite de Jude Célestin. S’il croit que la victoire de Jovenel Moïse est
due à un « complot » du PHTK contre le peuple haïtien, Anacasis attend
toutefois le résultat des contestations. « On a proclamé les résultats. La loi
doit triompher dans tout système démocratique. L’article 175 du décret
confère au candidat le droit à la contestation. On n’a aucun problème avec
la démarche de Jude Célestin. On attend le résultat du contentieux. On ne
va pas protester dans les rues, mais nous respectons le choix de la
population qui a choisi cette voie », a rappelé l'ancien sénateur, réprimant
les actes de violence enregistrés la semaine dernière.
Connu pour son franc-parler, l’ancien candidat à la présidence à l'élection
présidentielle de 2010 pointe un manque d’ouverture dans l’entourage de
Jude Célestin. « Il ne veut pas faire de « complot » avec la bourgeoisie, la
communauté internationale, l’élite intellectuelle, la presse, le peuple, etc. »,
souligne-t-il.
Jean Hector Anacacis déplore des failles organisationnelles dans l’équipe
de campagne de Jude Célestin. « Il y avait deux structures : l’équipe de
campagne du candidat et une structure du parti LAPEH. Il y a eu un
malentendu entre ces deux groupes », a-t-il fait savoir. Pour compenser le
manque de candidats aux élections régionales, il indique que son parti a
formé une coalition de cinq partis politiques, de plus d’une dizaine de
personnalités politiques et de plus de 21 000 mandataires. Il déplore que
l’équipe de campagne du candidat ait choisi de bouder cette coalition. « S’il
était conscient de la portée de sa candidature, il aurait pu s’en remettre aux
stratégies du parti. Il s’est en revanche entouré de gens incompétents, qui
sont incapables de toute analyse », assène-t-il.
Le responsable de LAPEH ne digère pas l’attitude de son poulain qui, selon
lui, est l’une des principales causes de sa défaite. «Mercredi, quelques jours
avant la fermeture de la campagne électorale, nous l’avions invité à planifier
la fin de la campagne et la journée électorale; il ne s’était pas présenté.
Jusqu’à présent, il n’a jamais expliqué les raisons de son absence. Jude
Célestin ne s’est pas rendu compte qu’il était le candidat du secteur
démocratique. Il a boudé une rencontre de 30 parlementaires, planifiée par
Joanas Gué à Mirebalais. Il a rencontré 43 parlementaires à Kinam Hôtel
sans faire de suivi », a-t-il déclaré. Quoique sidéré, l’ancien sénateur
Anacacis signale toutefois qu’il n’entend pas se dédouaner. « Je continue de
l’appuyer dans toutes ses démarches légales », assure-t-il, soulignant qu’il
fait l’objet de critique de la part des membres de la coalition qui préféraient
une candidature d’Éric Jean Baptiste à celle de Jude Célestin. L’ancien
sénateur de l’Ouest indique plus loin qu’il revient au candidat de LAPEH de
faire son autocritique. Toutefois, il souligne qu’il ne veut pas porter à lui seul
la responsabilité de l’échec. « Il faut que la population soit également au
courant de sa responsabilité», exige-t-il.
Le Nouvelliste
Jean Daniel Senat
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Alves Jeu 8 Déc 2016 - 9:13
Sasaye a écrit:
Mak,
Ou fè erè. Ou twò optimis.
Neg ki ayisyen jodya, se nèg tankou AleksJak avèk Alves ki entoksike avèk pwazon tètkale. Mesye sayo ap danse banda san konprann sak ap pase.
En reyalite, nèg ki ekri atik saa, avèk tout lusidite, se yon moun ki etidye e konprann jwèt la.
Se yon Matinikè ki sanble pi renmen Ayiti pase mesye sayo.
Pou kisa atak pèsonèl sou manb kap poste nan forum lan? Chak moun ka agimante de sa yo panse san pèdi san fwa yo e ap fè atak pèsonèl sou lot manb ki pa panse menm jan ak yo. Se sa la demokrasy. Chak moun gen opinion yo, ou gen dwa pa dako ak opinion'm, mwen pa gen pwoblem a sa, men se pa on rezon pou fè atak pèsonèl sou mwen ou on lot manb.
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
alex jacques Jeu 8 Déc 2016 - 17:47
Sassaye, konpratriot pa-m, ou pap ekri pou w pa mete Alex. A vrai dire, mwen panse ke ou menm avek mwen komanse respekte lot. Ann kontinye debat sou peyi. Nou tout renmen Ayiti e se sa ki pi enpotan.
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Joel Ven 9 Déc 2016 - 7:08
Non ALVES.
Tout OPINYON paka gen menm PWA sou yon FOROM tankou FOROM AYITI.
Ou we sa kap pase ann AYITI ,kote y ap ATAKE RADYO TIMOUN kote se limenm sel ki pro LAVALAS.
Ou ka al li sa FASIS lan fen LANNE 1920s ,komansman 1930s yo te konn di ,le yo te vle DETWI "WEIMAR REPUBLIC" lan.
IZE DEMOKRASI POU DETWI DEMOKRASI .
Se tankou sa GNBis KOUDETAYIS POUTCHIS ANACHIS yo te konn fe le yo te vle DESTABILIZE REJIM ARISTID lan.
Yo monte yon KANPAY MANTI "IZE DEMOKRASI POU DETWI DEMOKRASI"
Gen anpil LIV ak bon RECHECH ki fet sou sa ak bon jan "DOKIMANTASYON".
Ale li LIV JEFF SPRAGUE lan,ak liv PETER HALLWARD lan.
Se deja plis ke MIL PAJ DOKIMANTASYON ,gen lot LIV ki ekri.
Non ou paka lan yon DISKISYON pou w ap vin mete OPINYON yon MOUN tankou ANACACIS .Yon OPOTINIS ke ANBASAD AMERIKEN an te bali kom TACH ,detwi mouvman LAVALAS.
Se gwo ere ke JID SELESTEN te fe le li mete ANACACIS an CHAJ KANPAY li an.
Se pa ETONAN ke si NEG BANNANN lan ta reyisi siviv ou pa ta jwenn ANACACIS al jwenn HERIVEAUX lan PHTK.
Tout OPINYON paka gen menm PWA sou yon FOROM tankou FOROM AYITI.
Ou we sa kap pase ann AYITI ,kote y ap ATAKE RADYO TIMOUN kote se limenm sel ki pro LAVALAS.
Ou ka al li sa FASIS lan fen LANNE 1920s ,komansman 1930s yo te konn di ,le yo te vle DETWI "WEIMAR REPUBLIC" lan.
IZE DEMOKRASI POU DETWI DEMOKRASI .
Se tankou sa GNBis KOUDETAYIS POUTCHIS ANACHIS yo te konn fe le yo te vle DESTABILIZE REJIM ARISTID lan.
Yo monte yon KANPAY MANTI "IZE DEMOKRASI POU DETWI DEMOKRASI"
Gen anpil LIV ak bon RECHECH ki fet sou sa ak bon jan "DOKIMANTASYON".
Ale li LIV JEFF SPRAGUE lan,ak liv PETER HALLWARD lan.
Se deja plis ke MIL PAJ DOKIMANTASYON ,gen lot LIV ki ekri.
Non ou paka lan yon DISKISYON pou w ap vin mete OPINYON yon MOUN tankou ANACACIS .Yon OPOTINIS ke ANBASAD AMERIKEN an te bali kom TACH ,detwi mouvman LAVALAS.
Se gwo ere ke JID SELESTEN te fe le li mete ANACACIS an CHAJ KANPAY li an.
Se pa ETONAN ke si NEG BANNANN lan ta reyisi siviv ou pa ta jwenn ANACACIS al jwenn HERIVEAUX lan PHTK.
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Alves Ven 9 Déc 2016 - 8:01
Mwen konpwann, forum lan pa on forum demokratik tèt ansanm pou'n chanje Ayiti jan li ekri nan forum lan. Se pito on forum fachis, tonton makout kote depi ou pa gen menm opinion a dirijan forum lan yap fouke'w. Sou Forum Haiti se on sèl opinion ki konte se opinion lavalas la, depi ou pa ka di viv Aristide sou forum lan ou pa ladan'l. Depi on forum panche a dwat ou a goch e ke depi on moun pa ka bay opinion li se on forum tonton makout li ye. Mwen menm se on sèl bagay mwen ka di, viv la demokrasy e map toujou di sa ki verite ya, mwen pa dwe ankenn lidè anyen, se Ayiti sèlman mwen dwe, e mwen pa pwal bay manti pou ankenn fo lidè ki ap reyisi san pèp la.
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Sasaye Ven 9 Déc 2016 - 21:29
Alves, mwenmenm Sasaye, mwen gen lontan m'ap partisipe lan diskisyon Fowòm Ayiti san voye monte pou okenn lidè politik.
Mwen pa Lavalasyen nonplis.
Mwen gen senpati pou ideyoliji Lavalas ki se sèl òganizasyon ki vle defann dwa fondamantal pèp ayisyen an. Men mwen rekonèt ke li pa toujou reyisi e ke li pa yon òganizasyon infayib. Di m si w konnen youn.
Mwen respekte opinyon tout patisipan, men mete yon ola, lè gen magouy ak fo reprezantasyon.
Ou konnen ke Fowòm Ayiti bay tout moun libète ekspesyon, depi w pa depase limit. Limit lan se respè fowòm nan ak tout patisipan.
Si w pa respekte tèt w, lòt patisipan gen dwa pa respekte w.
Alò, wa p di verite pou Jovnèl, ki vrè lidè ki reyisi ak pèp la?
Si se te vre, mwen ta bat bravo pou li.
Men genyen yon pil kestyon ki bezwen repons e ki pou montre ke yon enposibilite matematik posib.
Sasaye- Super Star
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Nombre de messages : 8252
Localisation : Canada
Opinion politique : Indépendance totale
Loisirs : Arts et Musique, Pale Ayisien
Date d'inscription : 02/03/2007
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Joel Sam 10 Déc 2016 - 5:53
Mesye sa yo gen yon RAYISMAN pou LAVALAS ki pa JISTIFYE.
Franchman le SWIT MIKI te pran POUVWA ,mwen pa t OTOMATIKMAN kont li;mwen te plis MEFYE m de MADAN MANIGA ke MISYE.
Se DESEPSYON TOTAL,MISYE pa janm bliye RASIN DIVALYERIS li ,se te TOTALMAN yon DIVALYERISM san DIVALYE.
Menm MOUN ki te lan GOUVENMAN MISYE an ,soti lan TOYO DIVALYERISM.
Mwen pa LAVALASYEN ,MWEN pa bezwen LAVALASYEN ,men mwen ETIDYE ARISTID ,mwen li sa limenm ak madanm li EKRI .
Li pa PAFE ,pa gen MOUN ki PAFE ,MEN tonne KRAKRA ,pa gen MOUN sou TEREN POLITIK lan ke w ka konpare ak ARISTID.
Li pi BON pase TOUT e de LWEN.ENFOMASYON mwen jwenn de ARISTID se pa lan PRES KOUDETAYIS lan mwen prenn;se de sa ANGLE,AMERIKEN,KANADYEN ,e de MISYE.
Tankou RAPO sou ELEKSYON an ,men sa HAITI ACTION COMMITTEE ak RADIO PACIFICA rapote.
Se pa de OGANIZASYON sou PWEL,Gen HAITI ACTION COMMITTEE lan plizye vil OZETAZINI ak CANADA.
RADIO PACIFICA menm gen 9 ESTASYON RADYO lan pi gwo VIL OZETAZINI yo:
Yo te sou PLAS pou OBSEVE,yo di sa yo WE ak KONSTATE:
HUMAN RIGHTS & ALTERNATIVE MEDIA DELEGATION REPORT ON HAITI'S NOV 20 ELECTIONS by Pierre Labossiere and Margaret Prescod
Human Rights and Alternative Media Delegation Report
Haiti November 20th Elections
Submitted by:
Pierre Labossiere, Haiti Action Committee/Oakland California
Margaret Prescod, host of Pacifica Radio’s “Sojourner Truth”
Lead Up to Election Day
Friday, November 18th was the last day of campaigning for Haiti’s Presidential and Parliamentary elections which were to be held on Sunday, November 20th. On Friday we visited Delmas 2 where we met with activists on the ground including women and men. Preparations were underway for the get-out-the vote campaign. In Delmas 2 there were banners and other materials for the Lavalas Presidential candidate Dr. Maryse Narcisse. Several people expressed to us the widespread concern that the election maybe stolen, nevertheless the people we spoke to felt it was nevertheless important to vote.
Later on Friday, we visited Cite Soleil where a massive march was taking place. The March preceded and followed a motorcade with former Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide and Dr. Maryse Narcisse. Tens of thousands took part in the march. The atmosphere was festive with music and dancing. The mood in the crowd was determined, although some we spoke to also expressed concerns about a stolen election, people generally seemed enthusiastic about voting. A popular song poking fun at Jovenal Moise the candidate endorsed by former President Michel Martelly entitled “Banann” was often played and all seemed to know the words and sang along.
Early that evening there was a massive Lavalas rally at the old airfield in Delmas 2. The crowd grew to tens of thousands. There was a notable lack of western media present at that rally. The mood was joyful and enthusiastic, many there said, including some of the speakers, that if the election was not fraudulent, Dr. Narcisse would win on the first round.
On Saturday, November 19th no election campaigning was allowed. We visited a few neighborhoods including various parts of Delmas and spoke with people. In one upscale neighborhood, a young man who spoke English said he was not going to vote because “everyone knows the US selects our President, no matter who we vote for.”
Voting Process
We started out early on election day Sunday, November 20th. We travelled in a motorcade with a couple of National Electoral Observers. We visited between 12-15 voting centers based in several neighborhoods, including the upscale Petion-Ville, and the impoverished area of Cite Soleil. The Voting Centers were based in schools or similar facilities. Each Voting Center housed on average 20 to 50+ polling stations, individual voting booths made from sturdy cardboard were inside the polling stations.
There was a list outside each polling center with the names of people who were to vote at that center. Then within each polling station there was another list and one’s name had to be on both lists to vote. After people voted, they were to sign next to their names or be fingerprinted; voters' thumbs were then stained with indelible ink to indicate that they voted.
On the surface, everything appeared calm since early day concerns of physical violence did not materialize, but as the day wore on those who were not able to vote were quite agitated. Most of the Voting Centers we visited were busy, several with lines outside.
Voting Day Problems
•A number of people stated that they could not vote because they had no voter ID; it was simply impossible for certain people to obtain this ID card.
Example: One man applied over 14 months ago and after 6 or 7 fruitless, time-consuming trips to the crowded ONI office that provides the voter ID cards, he could not vote in the elections.
Many voters with voter ID cards could not find their names on the voter lists posted outside voting centers and unable to vote.
Example: Several voters determined to vote told us that they stopped after searching for their names at three or even four voting centers. A few voters with more resources (like a vehicle) and connections said that they were successful only after visiting 3 or 4 centers. One elderly woman in Carrefour/Kafou who was at her fourth voting center stated that she could find no assistance and was too tired to continue to try to vote.
•Voters with ID cards could not find their names on the voter lists inside polling stations when their names were on the lists posted outside. Also, many voters could not find their names on the list outside the voting center.
Example: Voters told us of their frustrating search from one polling station to another inside several voting centers; they were advised by CEP staff to try another voting center.
•Voters with voter ID cards were inexplicably re-assigned to vote in other far away voting centers, miles from their place of residence and even in different cities
Example: Several voters we met faced this, including a man residing in the Carrefour/Kafou neighborhood of Port-au-Prince. He found out after a fruitless search at each of the polling stations inside the voting center where he had always voted that this time he could not vote there. He had been reassigned to vote in the locality of Haut-du-Cap about 147 miles away.
•Voters with voter ID cards who had been provided information by the CEP/KEP phone service about where to vote were not allowed to vote.
Example: Several frustrated voters showed us SMS messages on their phone from the CEP/KEP (Provisional Electoral Council) directing them to their respective voting center. When they got there, their names could not be found on the voting center lists.
•In many cases, the CEP/KEP phone service to assist voters in locating their assigned voting centers and polling stations was not functioning on election day.
Example: We talked to voters who tried with no success to connect with the numbers of the CEP/KEP phone service, and ended up not voting because they did not know where to vote.
•Voters inside a voting center were prevented from voting while standing in line.
Example: Voters in Cite Soleil/Site Soley who had entered the Voting Center before the 4pm voting deadline and were looking for their polling station or waiting in line outside their polling station were not allowed to vote. Officials stated that they could not vote since they we not inside the individualized voting booths by 4:00 p.m. Their protests were in vain, indeed they were met by police with large long guns.
•The countrywide electrical blackout that occurred one hour or so after the polls closed during the vote counting has led to widespread charges of "magouy" or massive fraud, including vote-switching and ballot dumping during that time.
•The Haitian elite media illegally reported results of voting at selected polling stations about two hours after the polls closed claiming a huge win for Jovenel Moise, the candidate of the PHTK party of former Duvalierist president Martelly.
•We heard numerous reports that Digicel phone company was observed outside of voting centers illegally giving out to voters’ phone cards of a monetary value with the emblem and photo of Jovenel Moise candidate of PHTK. People were also reporting that Digicel was sending phone messages to its customers urging a vote for the PHTK candidate.
•Voting centers in rural areas, per several reports we heard from rural voters, are located about 20 km or more from many voters’ place of residence. In addition to the great distances to travel with none to very limited transportation, rural voters encountered all the other problems described above.
•A large market in Petion-Ville that benefited impoverished market women and their customers was burned to the ground on election night. The market women lost everything. A member of our delegation visited the market and met with the women. The women said the fire was “political”.
Reports of Fraud
•There are reports (and photos) of uncounted, discarded and burnt ballots marked for the other candidates found in different areas of Haiti
•Reports of ballot stuffing
•Long unexplained delays for the transfer of official tally sheets of individual ballots from the polling stations to the central tabulation center
•A large number of tally sheets were missing required authentication, including voter signatures or fingerprints.
•The countrywide electrical power outage that occurred one hour after the polls had closed, as votes were being counted; the nearly 2-hour darkness raised much alarm among a knowledgeable and vigilant public fearing that like the 2015 elections, that a vote switching operation was under way.
Conclusions
Observations of voting activities on the day of the election lead to the conclusion that there was widespread organized voter suppression which impacted the reported election results. Eligible voters were kept from voting using methods described above. This negatively impacted the number of voters declared to have cast their ballots.
One of the major complaints targeted ONI (Office National d'Identification), the only agency designated to issue required voter ID cards, as an estimated 2 million voters were deprived of these cards. Voters who had ID cards were often unable to vote because they could not find their assigned voting centers.
The Provisional Electoral Council (CEP or KEP) provided no organized assistance at most of the voting centers. The CEP/KEP phone assistance lines were not working. The many members of the electorate unable to vote complained that these actions had been orchestrated by the CEP/KEP to deny them their right to vote.
Despite voter suppression, large numbers of Fanmi Lavalas supporters did manage to go to the polls. In Cite Soleil/Site Soley alone (17% of the national electorate), enough Lavalas supporters voted for the election to have had a different result than the preliminary result put forward by the CEP.
Thousands of Haitians have been taking to the streets in daily massive protests since 11/21/16, the day after the elections. They are accusing the CEP/KEP of having organized an electoral coup d’état in favor of Jovenel Moise, the PHTK party candidate chosen by Duvalierist former president Martelly to be his successor.
Dr. Maryse Narcisse, Moise Jean-Charles and Jude Celestin have all refused to accept the results and have officially contested the results.
Three members of the nine-member CEP refused to sign off on the preliminary results.
Protests by the grassroots are growing each day as more of these details have surfaced. These protests are expected to continue in the face of the CEP's giving Jovenel Moise a first-round win at 55%.
Brutal police repression against peaceful demonstrators has included the use of tear gas, high-pressure liquid irritant, beatings, shootings and arbitrary arrests. The 1:00 a.m. tear gas attack on 11/29/16 by UN trained and supervised Haitian police against impoverished residents of the Port-au-Prince neighborhood of Lasalin resulted in the death of 3 babies with several people hospitalized.
The website of Haiti Action Committee.
Franchman le SWIT MIKI te pran POUVWA ,mwen pa t OTOMATIKMAN kont li;mwen te plis MEFYE m de MADAN MANIGA ke MISYE.
Se DESEPSYON TOTAL,MISYE pa janm bliye RASIN DIVALYERIS li ,se te TOTALMAN yon DIVALYERISM san DIVALYE.
Menm MOUN ki te lan GOUVENMAN MISYE an ,soti lan TOYO DIVALYERISM.
Mwen pa LAVALASYEN ,MWEN pa bezwen LAVALASYEN ,men mwen ETIDYE ARISTID ,mwen li sa limenm ak madanm li EKRI .
Li pa PAFE ,pa gen MOUN ki PAFE ,MEN tonne KRAKRA ,pa gen MOUN sou TEREN POLITIK lan ke w ka konpare ak ARISTID.
Li pi BON pase TOUT e de LWEN.ENFOMASYON mwen jwenn de ARISTID se pa lan PRES KOUDETAYIS lan mwen prenn;se de sa ANGLE,AMERIKEN,KANADYEN ,e de MISYE.
Tankou RAPO sou ELEKSYON an ,men sa HAITI ACTION COMMITTEE ak RADIO PACIFICA rapote.
Se pa de OGANIZASYON sou PWEL,Gen HAITI ACTION COMMITTEE lan plizye vil OZETAZINI ak CANADA.
RADIO PACIFICA menm gen 9 ESTASYON RADYO lan pi gwo VIL OZETAZINI yo:
Yo te sou PLAS pou OBSEVE,yo di sa yo WE ak KONSTATE:
HUMAN RIGHTS & ALTERNATIVE MEDIA DELEGATION REPORT ON HAITI'S NOV 20 ELECTIONS by Pierre Labossiere and Margaret Prescod
Human Rights and Alternative Media Delegation Report
Haiti November 20th Elections
Submitted by:
Pierre Labossiere, Haiti Action Committee/Oakland California
Margaret Prescod, host of Pacifica Radio’s “Sojourner Truth”
Lead Up to Election Day
Friday, November 18th was the last day of campaigning for Haiti’s Presidential and Parliamentary elections which were to be held on Sunday, November 20th. On Friday we visited Delmas 2 where we met with activists on the ground including women and men. Preparations were underway for the get-out-the vote campaign. In Delmas 2 there were banners and other materials for the Lavalas Presidential candidate Dr. Maryse Narcisse. Several people expressed to us the widespread concern that the election maybe stolen, nevertheless the people we spoke to felt it was nevertheless important to vote.
Later on Friday, we visited Cite Soleil where a massive march was taking place. The March preceded and followed a motorcade with former Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide and Dr. Maryse Narcisse. Tens of thousands took part in the march. The atmosphere was festive with music and dancing. The mood in the crowd was determined, although some we spoke to also expressed concerns about a stolen election, people generally seemed enthusiastic about voting. A popular song poking fun at Jovenal Moise the candidate endorsed by former President Michel Martelly entitled “Banann” was often played and all seemed to know the words and sang along.
Early that evening there was a massive Lavalas rally at the old airfield in Delmas 2. The crowd grew to tens of thousands. There was a notable lack of western media present at that rally. The mood was joyful and enthusiastic, many there said, including some of the speakers, that if the election was not fraudulent, Dr. Narcisse would win on the first round.
On Saturday, November 19th no election campaigning was allowed. We visited a few neighborhoods including various parts of Delmas and spoke with people. In one upscale neighborhood, a young man who spoke English said he was not going to vote because “everyone knows the US selects our President, no matter who we vote for.”
Voting Process
We started out early on election day Sunday, November 20th. We travelled in a motorcade with a couple of National Electoral Observers. We visited between 12-15 voting centers based in several neighborhoods, including the upscale Petion-Ville, and the impoverished area of Cite Soleil. The Voting Centers were based in schools or similar facilities. Each Voting Center housed on average 20 to 50+ polling stations, individual voting booths made from sturdy cardboard were inside the polling stations.
There was a list outside each polling center with the names of people who were to vote at that center. Then within each polling station there was another list and one’s name had to be on both lists to vote. After people voted, they were to sign next to their names or be fingerprinted; voters' thumbs were then stained with indelible ink to indicate that they voted.
On the surface, everything appeared calm since early day concerns of physical violence did not materialize, but as the day wore on those who were not able to vote were quite agitated. Most of the Voting Centers we visited were busy, several with lines outside.
Voting Day Problems
•A number of people stated that they could not vote because they had no voter ID; it was simply impossible for certain people to obtain this ID card.
Example: One man applied over 14 months ago and after 6 or 7 fruitless, time-consuming trips to the crowded ONI office that provides the voter ID cards, he could not vote in the elections.
Many voters with voter ID cards could not find their names on the voter lists posted outside voting centers and unable to vote.
Example: Several voters determined to vote told us that they stopped after searching for their names at three or even four voting centers. A few voters with more resources (like a vehicle) and connections said that they were successful only after visiting 3 or 4 centers. One elderly woman in Carrefour/Kafou who was at her fourth voting center stated that she could find no assistance and was too tired to continue to try to vote.
•Voters with ID cards could not find their names on the voter lists inside polling stations when their names were on the lists posted outside. Also, many voters could not find their names on the list outside the voting center.
Example: Voters told us of their frustrating search from one polling station to another inside several voting centers; they were advised by CEP staff to try another voting center.
•Voters with voter ID cards were inexplicably re-assigned to vote in other far away voting centers, miles from their place of residence and even in different cities
Example: Several voters we met faced this, including a man residing in the Carrefour/Kafou neighborhood of Port-au-Prince. He found out after a fruitless search at each of the polling stations inside the voting center where he had always voted that this time he could not vote there. He had been reassigned to vote in the locality of Haut-du-Cap about 147 miles away.
•Voters with voter ID cards who had been provided information by the CEP/KEP phone service about where to vote were not allowed to vote.
Example: Several frustrated voters showed us SMS messages on their phone from the CEP/KEP (Provisional Electoral Council) directing them to their respective voting center. When they got there, their names could not be found on the voting center lists.
•In many cases, the CEP/KEP phone service to assist voters in locating their assigned voting centers and polling stations was not functioning on election day.
Example: We talked to voters who tried with no success to connect with the numbers of the CEP/KEP phone service, and ended up not voting because they did not know where to vote.
•Voters inside a voting center were prevented from voting while standing in line.
Example: Voters in Cite Soleil/Site Soley who had entered the Voting Center before the 4pm voting deadline and were looking for their polling station or waiting in line outside their polling station were not allowed to vote. Officials stated that they could not vote since they we not inside the individualized voting booths by 4:00 p.m. Their protests were in vain, indeed they were met by police with large long guns.
•The countrywide electrical blackout that occurred one hour or so after the polls closed during the vote counting has led to widespread charges of "magouy" or massive fraud, including vote-switching and ballot dumping during that time.
•The Haitian elite media illegally reported results of voting at selected polling stations about two hours after the polls closed claiming a huge win for Jovenel Moise, the candidate of the PHTK party of former Duvalierist president Martelly.
•We heard numerous reports that Digicel phone company was observed outside of voting centers illegally giving out to voters’ phone cards of a monetary value with the emblem and photo of Jovenel Moise candidate of PHTK. People were also reporting that Digicel was sending phone messages to its customers urging a vote for the PHTK candidate.
•Voting centers in rural areas, per several reports we heard from rural voters, are located about 20 km or more from many voters’ place of residence. In addition to the great distances to travel with none to very limited transportation, rural voters encountered all the other problems described above.
•A large market in Petion-Ville that benefited impoverished market women and their customers was burned to the ground on election night. The market women lost everything. A member of our delegation visited the market and met with the women. The women said the fire was “political”.
Reports of Fraud
•There are reports (and photos) of uncounted, discarded and burnt ballots marked for the other candidates found in different areas of Haiti
•Reports of ballot stuffing
•Long unexplained delays for the transfer of official tally sheets of individual ballots from the polling stations to the central tabulation center
•A large number of tally sheets were missing required authentication, including voter signatures or fingerprints.
•The countrywide electrical power outage that occurred one hour after the polls had closed, as votes were being counted; the nearly 2-hour darkness raised much alarm among a knowledgeable and vigilant public fearing that like the 2015 elections, that a vote switching operation was under way.
Conclusions
Observations of voting activities on the day of the election lead to the conclusion that there was widespread organized voter suppression which impacted the reported election results. Eligible voters were kept from voting using methods described above. This negatively impacted the number of voters declared to have cast their ballots.
One of the major complaints targeted ONI (Office National d'Identification), the only agency designated to issue required voter ID cards, as an estimated 2 million voters were deprived of these cards. Voters who had ID cards were often unable to vote because they could not find their assigned voting centers.
The Provisional Electoral Council (CEP or KEP) provided no organized assistance at most of the voting centers. The CEP/KEP phone assistance lines were not working. The many members of the electorate unable to vote complained that these actions had been orchestrated by the CEP/KEP to deny them their right to vote.
Despite voter suppression, large numbers of Fanmi Lavalas supporters did manage to go to the polls. In Cite Soleil/Site Soley alone (17% of the national electorate), enough Lavalas supporters voted for the election to have had a different result than the preliminary result put forward by the CEP.
Thousands of Haitians have been taking to the streets in daily massive protests since 11/21/16, the day after the elections. They are accusing the CEP/KEP of having organized an electoral coup d’état in favor of Jovenel Moise, the PHTK party candidate chosen by Duvalierist former president Martelly to be his successor.
Dr. Maryse Narcisse, Moise Jean-Charles and Jude Celestin have all refused to accept the results and have officially contested the results.
Three members of the nine-member CEP refused to sign off on the preliminary results.
Protests by the grassroots are growing each day as more of these details have surfaced. These protests are expected to continue in the face of the CEP's giving Jovenel Moise a first-round win at 55%.
Brutal police repression against peaceful demonstrators has included the use of tear gas, high-pressure liquid irritant, beatings, shootings and arbitrary arrests. The 1:00 a.m. tear gas attack on 11/29/16 by UN trained and supervised Haitian police against impoverished residents of the Port-au-Prince neighborhood of Lasalin resulted in the death of 3 babies with several people hospitalized.
The website of Haiti Action Committee.
Joel- Super Star
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Nombre de messages : 17750
Localisation : USA
Loisirs : Histoire
Date d'inscription : 24/08/2006
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Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Alves Lun 12 Déc 2016 - 11:34
Sasaye a écrit:
Alves, mwenmenm Sasaye, mwen gen lontan m'ap partisipe lan diskisyon Fowòm Ayiti san voye monte pou okenn lidè politik.
Mwen pa Lavalasyen nonplis.
Mwen gen senpati pou ideyoliji Lavalas ki se sèl òganizasyon ki vle defann dwa fondamantal pèp ayisyen an. Men mwen rekonèt ke li pa toujou reyisi e ke li pa yon òganizasyon infayib. Di m si w konnen youn.
Mwen respekte opinyon tout patisipan, men mete yon ola, lè gen magouy ak fo reprezantasyon.
Ou konnen ke Fowòm Ayiti bay tout moun libète ekspesyon, depi w pa depase limit. Limit lan se respè fowòm nan ak tout patisipan.
Si w pa respekte tèt w, lòt patisipan gen dwa pa respekte w.
Alò, wa p di verite pou Jovnèl, ki vrè lidè ki reyisi ak pèp la?
Si se te vre, mwen ta bat bravo pou li.
Men genyen yon pil kestyon ki bezwen repons e ki pou montre ke yon enposibilite matematik posib.
Sasaye, sou forum sa oponyon tout moun pa respekte, post mwen efase san yo ba banm ankenn rezon pou sa, li jus disparèt sou forum lan, sa rele baboukèt, dwa dexpresyon mwen mi an koz la.
Mwen respekte opinyon tout moun, mwen pa janm joure pèsòn ni di yo ke yo pa gen dwa opine. Mwen bay opinion'm, mwen mete atik pou enfome lektè de sa kap pase, lè map poste opinyon'm ou pap janm wè ke mwen nomen non on manb pou mwen di li ke li se on ekstremist, ke li rayi intèl ou intèl, mwen jis poste opinyon'm de on sitiasyon ou on atik ki apiye opinion'm.
Mwen pa konn Jovenel ni an pint ni an pinti, mwen pa ka di ke Jovenel reyisi ak pèp la tankou ou di'l la, Jovenel pa ko ranpli ankenn fonksyon nan ankenn gouvènman, donk fok nou tann kinkenan'l pase pou nou konen si li reyisi ak pèp la ou non. Moun kap banm non sou forum lan pa konen mwen men paske sa'm ekri sou forum lan ale a lankont de sa ke yo panse mwen tounen on fachis. Aloske se konpotman ki vle anpeche on moun eksprime li ki vreman fachis la. Gen moun sou forum sa ki swa dizan demokratik gen on konpotman fachis, tonton makout la ke swa dizan yo pa vle wè e ap konbat la.
Nan demokrasy, fok on moun apwan genyen e apwann pèdi, men nan mantalite nou nou refize pèdi, tout kandida vle genyen aloske se on sèl ki ka genyen, pa gen 2 pos prezidan. Nan on vre demokrasy, pèdan felisite gayan e la vi kontinu. An Ayiti sa pa ekziste, tout moun vle genyan, eleksyon pa janm bon, nan lespas de 1 an apre 2 eleksyon e 100 milion dola depanse an plis, nou gen, menm rezilta, e 2e lan pi mal ke premye ya paske pa menm gen 2e tou nan 2e lan. Pèdan yo ya vle gen on 3e eleksyon, e apre on 4e e on 5e, sa pa gen sans, fok mesye yo al chèche konpwann kote yo te fè erè pou korije li e tann pwochen eleksyon an. Nan 2 zan pwal gen senatorial anko, ke yo al travay pou ka mete senatè pa yo nan chanm lan pou ka kontrekare ekzekitif lan. 105 milion an plis ke nou sot depanse la pou on 2e eleksyon ou kwè li pa ta sèvi pi byen pou ede pèp la, ki pa menm gen on lopital desan pou bay yo swen, yo ta ka fè on nouvo lopital General a kob sa.
Sasaye, ekskize'm mwen nomen non'w men se paske ou adrese'm ki fè ke mwen reponn ou, mwen pa gen ankenn pwoblèm ak pozisyon politik ou, se dwa'w. Nou ka agimante youn a lot san animozite. Bonn fin de joune.
Alves- Super Senior
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Nombre de messages : 111
Localisation : Port-au-Prince
Opinion politique : Neutre
Loisirs : football
Date d'inscription : 04/01/2014
Re: Il existe encore des haïtiens lucides
Joel Mar 13 Déc 2016 - 6:37
Non se TIPIK.
VANT ki te anfante FACHIS DIVALYERISM lan ap fe PITIT toujou.
FACHIS lan ap materialize l ak LOT FASON.
Si DOMINIKEN yo te kwaze BRA yo an 1994 e yo te kite BALAGUER ak LAME an VOLO ELEKSYON an ,DOMINIKANI pa t ap ye kote l ye an ,menm si se pa IDEYAL lan.
BALAGUER te gen KONTWOL APAREY REPRESIF lan ,men l te REZONAB.
An 1996,le ELEKSYON an te FET ,MOUN ki panse tankou w yo an DOMINIKANI t ap mande tout kalite ENTEVANSYON.
Yo t ap di ke PLD ak PRD se 2 PATI KOMINIS.
AMERIKEN yo pou yon FWA pa t tande yo.E kom ou ka konnen se 2 PATI sa yo ki ap ALTENE depi 1996.
Pou mwenmen ,sa m te konprann ,mwen te kwe ke NEO-FACHIS yo ta pral BAK SELESTEN ou byen MOYIZ JAN CHAL pou yo STOPE ARISTID ak LAVALAS ,menm jan BALAGUER ak EKSTREM DWAT lan te mete KOB yo deye PLD ak FERNANDEZ pou yo BLOKE FRANCISCO PENA GOMEZ ,pou anpil REZON.
Kite m di w ALVES ,bagay JOVNEL MOYIZ lan pa p reyisi,li paka reyisi;RAPO DE FOS lan pa an FAVE l.
PEYI AN PA VLE JOVNEL.
KONTWOL PRES lan ki lan men PHTK a pa p ASE.
Wi PHTK ka fe ZAK TERORIS pou repete EKSPRESYON w lan ,men nou pa gen FOS ASE pou KONTNI POPILASYON an.
Ale li PWOBLEM ke MINISTA ki te gen petet 4 FWA PLIS FOS ke li genyen jounen Jodi an sou TEREN pou l te kontre KON li ak DRED VILME ak PATIZAN L yo.
KAKAREL te manke pran menm ANBASADE AMERIKEN an.
VANT ki te anfante FACHIS DIVALYERISM lan ap fe PITIT toujou.
FACHIS lan ap materialize l ak LOT FASON.
Si DOMINIKEN yo te kwaze BRA yo an 1994 e yo te kite BALAGUER ak LAME an VOLO ELEKSYON an ,DOMINIKANI pa t ap ye kote l ye an ,menm si se pa IDEYAL lan.
BALAGUER te gen KONTWOL APAREY REPRESIF lan ,men l te REZONAB.
An 1996,le ELEKSYON an te FET ,MOUN ki panse tankou w yo an DOMINIKANI t ap mande tout kalite ENTEVANSYON.
Yo t ap di ke PLD ak PRD se 2 PATI KOMINIS.
AMERIKEN yo pou yon FWA pa t tande yo.E kom ou ka konnen se 2 PATI sa yo ki ap ALTENE depi 1996.
Pou mwenmen ,sa m te konprann ,mwen te kwe ke NEO-FACHIS yo ta pral BAK SELESTEN ou byen MOYIZ JAN CHAL pou yo STOPE ARISTID ak LAVALAS ,menm jan BALAGUER ak EKSTREM DWAT lan te mete KOB yo deye PLD ak FERNANDEZ pou yo BLOKE FRANCISCO PENA GOMEZ ,pou anpil REZON.
Kite m di w ALVES ,bagay JOVNEL MOYIZ lan pa p reyisi,li paka reyisi;RAPO DE FOS lan pa an FAVE l.
PEYI AN PA VLE JOVNEL.
KONTWOL PRES lan ki lan men PHTK a pa p ASE.
Wi PHTK ka fe ZAK TERORIS pou repete EKSPRESYON w lan ,men nou pa gen FOS ASE pou KONTNI POPILASYON an.
Ale li PWOBLEM ke MINISTA ki te gen petet 4 FWA PLIS FOS ke li genyen jounen Jodi an sou TEREN pou l te kontre KON li ak DRED VILME ak PATIZAN L yo.
KAKAREL te manke pran menm ANBASADE AMERIKEN an.
Joel- Super Star
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