Le pasteur d'Obama lui met dans l'embarras

Election sa telman long map mande si pa fe afe repibliken yo. On voit que Hillary tente par tous les moyens de faire deraper les primaires à son avantage. Mwen sispeck yo lan kou sa apre bagay Feraro a, kounyea se pastè Obama ki racis... kito sa brale ...

Est-il embarrassant de demander aux Chretiens d'adorer le Christ et non pas Lucifer ?Est-il embarrassant de denoncer les hypocrisies des Judas?le Pasteur a le droit d'opiner sur les inegalites sociales de son pays,cela ne signifie nullement qu'Obama soit son disciple ou qu'il partage ses opinions.

Si Louis Farakhan admire Obama cela ne signifie pas qu'Obama partage la meme philosophie.On ne choisit pas ses admirateurs et Barack Obama n'a pas le droit de censurer ni le pasteur ni Louis Farakhan.

Sans Malice

Si c'était si simple que cela , nous n'en parlerions pas au forum présentement. Je crois qu'il y a quelqu'un quelque part qui essaye de mettre de l'huile sur le feu de la question raciale dans ces primaires pour arriver à ses fins.

Marc

En haiti nous avons un proverbe qui dit:"lè marengwen ap vole ou pa konn sa ki mal sa ki femel."Dans cet imbroglio il faut etre lucide pour comprendre qu'il existe partout sur cette terre une cinquième colonne au sein des organisations:quelles soient religieuses ou politiques.

Evidemment on est en train de jouer la carte raciale pour eliminer Obma de la course presidentielle.Est-ce pourquoi au debut je parlais de son eligibilité.Hillary veut rejouer ce meme refrain pour discrediter Obama.Car il est evident que l'ascencion d'Obama au firmament de la politique americaine menace le statu quo dont le Senateur Clinton et son mari sont des membres.Il ne faut pas oublier qu'Hillary Clinton fut une admiratrice du Senateur Barry Goldwater.

il faut esperer cette fois-ci la maturité politique du peuple americain empechera aux demagogues de casser l'enthousiasme des jeunes et de tous ceux qui souhaitent un changement reel dans la politique americaine.Certians naifs ne peuvent pas comprendre qu'en jouant la carte raciale ils effaroucheront les independants et les republicains qui sont degoutés de l'administration de Georges bush et de Dick Cheney.

Si avant les dernières declarations de Bill Clinton et de Geraldine Ferraro je pensais qu'un tandemObama/Hillara ou vice versa serait ideal.ujourd'hui je doute fort qu'il soit realisable et je ne souhaite pas non plus sa realisation.

Tout d'abord Hillary a plus besoin d'Obama pour obtenir les suffrages des afro -Americains qu'Obama ait besoin d'Hillary pour obtenir les suffrages des independants et des republicains degoutes de l'administration de Georges Bush.CNN vient de publier les derniers sondages des afro americains.A la fin de l'année derniere Hillary etait beaucoup plus populaire chez les noirs qu'Obama,mainteant la situation est renversée.Tandis que la popularite d'Obama chez les blancs a augmenté.Alors je ne vois pas l'avantage d'Obama de choisir Hillary comme Vice President.

je ne connais pas assez les democrates influents du Sud des Etats-Unis, mais si j'etais a la place d'Obama je choisirais un centriste comme Jimmy Carter qui gouverne un etat du Sud.

Pour les republicains quelque soit le choix de Mac Cain :Mitt Romney ou Rudolphe Giulliani je doute fort qu'il pourra gagner les eletions en Novembre prochain si une amelioration de l'economie ne se realise pas avant la fin de l'année.Je pense que le pasteur Huckebee serait un meilleur choix pour le Senateur Mac Cain.

Marc-Henry a écrit:Election sa telman long map mande si pa fe afe repibliken yo. On voit que Hillary tente par tous les moyens de faire deraper les primaires à son avantage. Mwen sispeck yo lan kou sa apre bagay Feraro a, kounyea se pastè Obama ki racis... kito sa brale ...

Marc,

Nan tout "talk show" Repibliken yo se de pastè an sèlman y ap pale;men pito se kounye an yo vini ak bagay sa yo ,an Novanm yo ka genten pèdi fòs yo.

Se tankou yo ta di Obama ta rayi blan ,e manman nèg lan se yon blanch e se li ki te leve misye.
E kote bagay lan ironik Obama se menm yon kouzen lwen Dick Cheney.
Gen yon seri de pastè rasis ki andose Mc Cain tou.Kite yo atake Obama di li se rasis,tou pa yo ap vini tou!

Joel

Se pou wè desespwa repibliken yo ;tou dabò eske se Obama ki te di pastè ya di sa li di yo.Kijan pou youn moun fè kondane youn katolik pousa ke youn pret fè ou di nan youn legliz.eske mwen ka kondane Mac cain pou sa Pat Robertson di ou byen pou sa pastè Jerry fawell te fè?mwen kwè ke repibliken yo ap devalye entelijans pep ameriken.

Sise ak atak sayo ke ni Hillary ni repibliken yo konprann yo ka bat Obama e byen mwen kwè yo chire.Ou ka wè depi jodya Hillary komanse chanje ton li paske li rekonet ke menm si li genyen nominatyon anpil nwa ap rete lakay yo an Novanb.Se sak fè li di ke si se pa li ki genyen nominatyon li ap mande patizan li yo pou yo soutni Obma.E mwen pa kwè se afro ameriken yo selman ke li ap perdi .

Jodya mwen tap tande Bill Bradley ki te ap komante sou taktik Clinton yo kote li montre ke ni Bill ni Hillary se taktisyen men yo pa planifye pou lon term.Bradley montre inkonsistans Hillary sou zafè ke Obama pa kalifye pou li reponn telefonn gran maten an ka youn danjé.e li montre tou ki jan ke hilary ap soutni Mac Cain lè li di se li ak mac cain ki genyen eksperyans pou yo Presidan.Mwen dakò ak Bradley ki se pa moun ki nan demagoji.

[b]gade sa ...ki strategie camp Hillary a kounyea...
Map mande eske Camp Hillary pap gate jwet pito yo pedi....[/b]

Clinton strategist says Obama 'can't win the general election'

Though the campaign later argued that he hadn't said it, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's chief campaign strategist told reporters this morning that Sen. Barack Obama "can't win the general election."

Mark Penn made the comment during a conference call in which the Clinton campaign and two of her supporters -- Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter -- argued that Obama has sent Pennsylvanians a bad signal by allegedly downplaying the importance of that state's April 22 primary. They made the case that this memo from Obama campaign manager David Plouffe (which Nutter said the author should be fired for writing), would come back to haunt Obama in the fall if he is the Democratic nominee.

Here is what Penn said. We're posting a little more than 2 minutes of his opening statement because we want to make sure you get the full context. It's in the last 20 seconds or so that he says Obama "really can't win the general election." As you'll hear, he also says that "if Barack Obama can't win" in Pennsylvania, "how could he win the general election?"



Later, a reporter asks what he meant. Clinton campaign communications chief Howard Wolfson jumps in to say that "Mark did not say that."

Then Penn says that if Obama doesn't win the Pennsylvania primary, it "raises serious questions" about whether he can win the general election. Here's how that exchange went:



Update at 2:10 p.m. ET: Last evening, the Obama campaign released a partly tongue-in-cheek reaction to the Clinton campaign's arguments on electability and Pennsylvania's importance.

Update at 9:30 p.m. ET. The Obama campaign responds:

Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor this evening sent this statement to reporters: "It can't inspire too much confidence in the Clinton campaign when their pollster ignores both polls and math by making comments as divorced from reality as this one. Senator Obama is leading in delegates, states won, the popular vote, and fares better than Senator Clinton against John McCain in poll after poll, including critical swing states like Iowa, Colorado, Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Wisconsin."

(Photo of Penn taken in January by Win McNamee of Getty Images.)

Posted by Mark Memmott at 01:30 PM/ET, March 13, 2008 in Democrats, Presidential race, 2008, Primaries | Permalink

se sa map pale de desespwa ni repibliken ni kan Clinton yo.ki sa sa vle di si Obama pa ka genyen nan pensylvania li pap ka genyen elektyon an novanmb lan ki sa ki di ke Obama pap ka genyen nan pensylvania an novanb 'eske elektyon primè sa ki pral fet la se ant Obama ak Mac Cain li pral fet ou byen se ant 2 demokrat.Si youn moun ap gade kantite moun ki vote pou Obama selman epi ou konpare ak kantite repibliken ki vote pou tout kandida repibliken yo nan primary se youn enbesil selman ki pou di youn bagay konsa.Menm Bill Clinton rekonet antousyasm ke 2 kandida demokrat yo pote nan kanpay elektoral saa.

sa demontre w kareman genyen youn sektè nan pati demokrat la se youn paket ipokrit yo ye.depi se pa Clinton ki genyen nominatyon yo pito se mac cain ki genyen kelke swa kritik ou tande yap fè de mac cain.Yo pito divise pati demokrat la o lye ke yo ini deye Obama.Fok yo pa bliye tou genyen anpil nwa ki pap janm bliye si yo ta ba Obama youn move kout boul.

Men yon atik NYT sou manman OBAMA.Se te yonfanm total kapital vre wi!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14obama.html?hp=&pagewanted=all

mezanmi

mwen panko janm wè kalite ipokrizi saa. Gen lè mwen pat tande byen sa pastè Wright di yo se sak fè mwen sot repase diskou li ya ankò pou mwen koute kote li denigre Hillary ou byen li bay manti ki fè menm Obama repudye li .

ke youn bon pwochen dim ki sa Dr Wright di ya ki ofansan konsa eske li bay manti.Eske Hillary Clinton janm genyen youn taxi ki refize rete pou li a kos koulè li ;eske se manti ke Obama ak nou tout ap viv nan youn peyi ki kontwole pa rich white people.?Eske se pa vre ke Hillary pat eleve pa youn sel paran.ki sa Dr Wright di la ki fè tout press ipokrit la leve kanpe kont li.Mwen pa wè anyen pastè Wright di la ke martin luther King pat di yo.ke malcom X pat di deja ke tou lutè pou dwa sivil yo pat denonse deja.

mwen pa dako pou okenn rezon politik ou pa pou Obama te repudye Dr Wright.Li pa joure Hillary Clinton,li denonse inegalite sosyal ki genyen nan sosyete ya ke tout moun konnen.Si li joure li joure Oncle tom ki pa konprann mesaj Obama yo.li pa insulte oken blan li di bagay yo like it is.petet la verite ofanse ;men se pa li ki responsab;wol li an tan ke pastè se denonse tou sa ki pa bon nan sosyete ke li ap viv.

mwen pat tande diskou ke li fè kote li di ke eta zuni peye pou sa li fè lot kote yo.Men pastè sa se youn ansyen marinn ,li genyen dwa opinyon li sa pa vle di ke Obama apwouve tou sa li di.

men bagay mwen te konn ap di o komansman kanpay la. mwen te konnen ke press la pral chache tout bagay pou yo ka fè white yo repudye Obama.Nap swiv pou nou wè ki konsekans bagay saa pral genyen nan lektyon primè ki rete yo.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/senathaiti/

J'ai remarqué que le sénateur Obama commence à présenter son équipe de la sécurité nationale. Ça promet ! Avez-vous vu sa conférence de presse où il était entouré de plusieurs anciens généraux de l'armée ?

To whom it may concern:

This site is under the eye of big brother in the country which professes to have liberty of the press.I was writing an article to criticize the press for making a big deal of Pastor Wright's sermons where I was asking should Senator Obama be blamed for that and suddlenly my electricity was turned off temporarily.This not the first time that happened

I was asking should Senator Obama repudiate Pastor Wright?I asked the question ;Should Georges Bush repudiate Collin Powell who in his autobiography criticized the country that he was defending in Vietnam while the KKK was bombing a church where 4 little girls died in the 60's

I wrote one should not condone pastor Wright's observations in their integrality,but one should understand them in the context of his generation which witnessed the inequities of prejudices.

(lol) do not be paranoid my old friend; the government can do that, but they would have to be in your basement to cut the fuse selectively prior to your writing. they can cut electricity from a distance, but they would have to mess up the entire grid.
so, those two times were plain coincidences!!!!
or you can think that i am a spy myself trying to pacify you (lol)!

Thank you for teaching me internal wiring of electricity in my house.But have you ever learned the principles of remote controling of electricity?Who told you how my house, which is new by the way, was wired?who told you that a remote control device was nost installed in my circuit panel distribution box?How come the circuit breaker of only one part of the house was activated to turn off the power of my computer?Is it irrationale for me to think that way at a time when Prosecutors of the states were fired by the Attorney General of the United states for their political affiliation?

my article was written not to condone Pastor Wright's sermons where he said that we should say:" damn America "instead of "God Bless America" , but rather to understand it in regard to his generation who witnessed the struggles of the civil right movement ;the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King, of John F.Kennedy , Bobby kennedy etc.

do not take it too seriously my friend. i am just playing with you. i know that you worked as an advanced electrician, and you know your stuff; but it would not make sense for your to allow another company to be able to turn on or turn off your electricity at will via remote control; for it would not enhance your sense of security if you were to do just that.
i know that companies who do no have night residency have that kind of remote swich in order to contain fires, but it would not make sense for private citizens to do that because it would give big brother more power.
look, you are not saying anything for the us government to selectively direct an agent to cut you off.
come on!!!
apparently, you have taken it seriously; i myself thought that you were joking around but it looks like that you have taken it very seriously.

Indeed I am taking it seriously.You damn right I will not allow a company to turn on or turn off my electricity whenever they want ,but can I prevent the CiA to install a remote control switch in my house or a microphone in my ceilling to register what I am saying?Is it improbable for them to install a remote device in my computer to cause a surge of current in the circuit to break it?

The weather is beautiful in the part of florida where I live.How come nobody else in the neighborhood has experienced this shortage?You said it just coincidental that at the time I am writing this piece suddenly the circuit that feeds my computer broke.no other part of the house was out of power,and I did not go to the garage to reactivate the circuit breaker?Not even 1 minute has elapsed and the current was restored to the circuit.

Einstein, can you explain this phenomenon to me ?(lol)Do not say that I dis you .I am just kidding.By the way,thank you for teaching me that the power Company can disconnect my house electronically.I am telling you: it is never too late to learn a new trick.I taught electricity was distributed either overhead or underground ;if you want to disconnect a house you have to go directly to the distribution box on the block if such house is feed underground or if it is fed overhead you have to disconnect it in the pole or where the wires are connected to the secondary wires of the distribution system of the street where that house is located.You can isolate a grid from the substation or it can be isolated automatically by a circuit breaker to isolate that grid .Mon chè ou se youn jenn nonm ki konnen tout bon.(lol) No disrespect ,Sir.(lol)

What do you think of Seanator Obama's speech this morning in Philadelphia?

Listening to Senator Obama's speech reminds me of John Fritzgerald Kennedy's book where he remind us to have the courage of our covictions in politic.I would think less of Senator Obama if he had repudiated his Pastor.He showed me that he is a man of character who,regardless of the consequences, stands for what he believes.

I had doubt about Senator Obama's ability to unite the electorate;I did not think that a black man can unite the country and transcend the racism that still exists in the United States of America.Whatever will happen in November I think Senator Obama's candidacy is not a futile exercice as I previously stated.He might not succeed in November,but it is worthwhile for him and for progressive people in general to try.

Seldom we have listened to politician who tells it like it is.It would have been more advantagous for Senator Obama to disown his relation with Pastor Wright or to deny that he has witnessed his remarks,but as a man of character he prefers to embrace Pastor Wright as a big brother who is still bleeding for what he and his race have endured.I applaud him for his courage.

That was a good shot from Obama. This issue help him on an another hand. It helps him dispel the rumours that he is a secret muslim.

I know this can hurt him, but I enjoyed seeing my candidate vetted. And whether you like it or not most of the evangelists often give those same kind of sermons, this come to light because he was an Obama's former pastor.

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The White Preacher Double Standard ; Why America Can't Get Beyond Race
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The White Preacher Double Standard: How Hagee, Parsley and the Rest Get
Away
with Everything By Cenk Uygur, Huffington Post

Posted on March 19, 2008,
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/http://www.huffingtonpost.com//80253/

Rudy Giuliani's priest has been accused in grand jury proceedings of
molesting
several children and covering up the molestation of others. Giuliani
would not
disavow him on the campaign trail and still works with him. (
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3753385&page=1 )

Mitt Romney was part of a church that did not view black Americans as
equals
and actively discriminated against them.
(http://www.slate.com/id/2178568/ ) He
stayed with that church all the way into his early thirties, until they
were
finally forced to change their policies to come into compliance with
civil
rights legislation. Romney never disavowed his church back then or now.
He said
he was proud of the faith of his fathers.

Jerry Falwell said America had 9/11 coming because we tolerated gays,
feminists
and liberals. It was our fault. Our chickens had come home to roost, if
you
will. (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell ) John McCain proudly
received his support and even spoke at his university's commencement.

Reverend John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the "Great Whore."
(http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1393 ) He has said that
the
Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union (of course, the
Anti-Christ
will also be Jewish). (http://www.alternet.org/story/39748/?page=1 ;
http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq72.html ) He has said all Muslims
are
trained to kill and will be part of the devil's army when Armageddon
comes
(which he hopes is soon).
(http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/index.html;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOsYSwNrlBo ) John McCain continues to say
he is
proud of Reverend Hagee's endorsement.

Reverend Rod Parsley believes America was founded to destroy Islam. (
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
). Since this is such an outlandish claim, I have to add for the
record, that
he is not kidding. Reverend Parsley says Islam is an "anti-Christ
religion"
brought down from a "demon spirit."
(http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
).

Of course, we are in a war against all Muslims, including presumably
Muslim-Americans. Buts since Parsley believes this is a Christian
nation and
that it should be run as a theocracy, he is not very concerned what
Muslim-Americans think.

John McCain says Reverend Rod Parsley is his "spiritual guide."

What separates all of these outrageous preachers from Barack Obama's?
You
guessed it. They're white and Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not. If it's
not
racism that's causing the disparity in media treatment of these
preachers, then
what is it?

I'm willing to listen to other possible explanations. And I am inclined
to
believe that the people these preachers go after are more important
than the
race of the preacher. It's one thing to go after gays, liberals and
Muslims -
that seems to be perfectly acceptable in America - it's another to
accuse white
folks of not living up to their ideals.

I think there is another factor at play as well. The media is deathly
afraid of
calling out preachers of any stripe for insane propaganda from the
pulpits for
fear that they will be labeled as anti-Christian. But criticism of Rev.
Wright
falls into their comfort zone. It's easy to blame him for being
anti-American
because he criticizes American foreign and domestic policy.

If Rev. Wright had preached about discriminating against gay Americans
or
Muslims, there probably would not have been any outcry at all. That
falls into
the category of "respect their hateful opinions because they cloak
themselves
in the church."

But one thing is indisputable - the enormous disparity in how the media
has
covered these white preachers as opposed to Rev. Wright. Have you ever
even
heard of Rod Parsley? As you can see from what I listed above, all of
these
white preachers have said and done the most outlandish and offensive
things you
can imagine - and hardly a peep.

If the disparity in coverage isn't racist, then what is it?

Reverend John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the "Great Whore."
He has
said that the Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union (of
course, the
Anti-Christ will also be Jewish). He has said all Muslims are trained
to kill
and will be part of the devil's army when Armageddon comes (which he
hopes is
soon). John McCain continues to say he is proud of Reverend Hagee's
endorsement.

Reverend Rod Parsley believes America was founded to destroy Islam.
Since this
is such an outlandish claim, I have to add for the record, that he is
not
kidding. Reverend Parsley says Islam is an "anti-Christ religion"
brought down
from a "demon spirit." Of course, we are in a war against all Muslims,
including presumably Muslim-Americans. Buts since Parsley believes this
is a
Christian nation and that it should be run as a theocracy, he is not
very
concerned what Muslim-Americans think.

John McCain says Reverend Rod Parsley is his "spiritual guide."

What separates all of these outrageous preachers from Barack Obama's?
You
guessed it. They're white and Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not. If it's
not
racism that's causing the disparity in media treatment of these
preachers, then
what is it?

I'm willing to listen to other possible explanations. And I am inclined
to
believe that the people these preachers go after are more important
than the
race of the preacher. It's one thing to go after gays, liberals and
Muslims -
that seems to be perfectly acceptable in America - it's another to
accuse white
folks of not living up to their ideals.

I think there is another factor at play as well. The media is deathly
afraid of
calling out preachers of any stripe for insane propaganda from the
pulpits for
fear that they will be labeled as anti-Christian. But criticism of Rev.
Wright
falls into their comfort zone. It's easy to blame him for being
anti-American
because he criticizes American foreign and domestic policy.

If Rev. Wright had preached about discriminating against gay Americans
or
Muslims, there probably would not have been any outcry at all. That
falls into
the category of "respect their hateful opinions because they cloak
themselves
in the church."

But one thing is indisputable - the enormous disparity in how the media
has
covered these white preachers as opposed to Rev. Wright. Have you ever
even
heard of Rod Parsley? As you can see from what I listed above, all of
these
white preachers have said and done the most outlandish and offensive
things you
can imagine - and hardly a peep.

If the disparity in coverage isn't racist, then what is it?

Cenk Uygur is co-host of The Young Turks, the first liberal radio show
to air
nationwide.

© 2008 Huffington Post All rights reserved.

View this story online at:
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/http://www.huffingtonpost.com//80253/
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http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/80253/

Pipo

I can not thank you enough for exposing this hypocrisy of the press.Thank you for enlightening us to the prejudices of the hypocrits.