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Sasaye Sam 28 Fév 2009 - 13:36
The Coup Five Years On
Haiti's Harsh Realities
By YVES ENGLER
Haiti can teach you a lot about the harsh reality of social affairs.
From the grips of the most barbaric form of plantation economy sprung probably the greatest example of liberation in the history of humanity.
The 1791-1804 Haitian Revolution was simultaneously a struggle against slavery, colonialism and white supremacy. Defeating the French, British and Spanish empires, it led to freedom for all people regardless of color, decades before this idea found traction in Europe or North America.
Unfortunately, Haiti's history also demonstrates how fluidly Europe (and North America) moved from formal colonialism to neo-imperialism.
Technically "independent" for more than two centuries, outsiders have long shaped the country's affairs. Through isolation, economic asphyxiation, debt dependence, gunboat diplomacy, occupation, foreign supported dictatorships, structural adjustment programs and "democracy promotion"
Haiti is no stranger to the various forms of foreign political manipulation. Most recently, the elected government of Jean-Bertrand Aristide was destabilized and then overthrown on February 29 2004 by the US, France and Canada, which ushered in a terrible wave of political repression and an ongoing UN occupation.
As we approach the five-year anniversary of the coup, there are three important lessons to be learned from this intervention. First of all, the Canadian sponsored responsibility to protect" doctrine, which many want to encode in international law, is little more than a cover for imperialism.
Liberal Party officials justified cutting off aid and invading Haiti by citing a "responsibility to protect" the country, yet the intervention further devastated an already impoverished population.
The second lesson is that "peacekeepers" can be used to wage a brutal class war.
In the two years after the coup, UN troops regularly provided vital support for the Haitian police's violent assaults on poor communities and peaceful demonstrations demanding the return of the elected government.
UN forces also participated directly in this violent political pacification campaign, launching repeated anti-"gang" assaults on poor neighborhoods in Port-au-Prince.
The two most horrific raids took place on January 6, 2005 and December 22, 2006, which together left some 35 innocent civilians dead and dozens wounded in the densely populated slum of Cité Soleil (a bastion of support for Aristide).
In April 2008 UN troops once again demonstrated that their primary purpose in the country was to defend the status quo. During riots over the rising cost of food they put down protests by killing a handful of demonstrators. (Kevin Pina’s film Haiti: The UNtold Story, which will be shown across the country in the coming weeks, documents the chilling brutality of UN forces.)
Finally, Haiti provides an example of how self-described "progressive" Western government-funded NGOs function as an arm of imperialism.
A sort of NGO laboratory, Haiti is a highly vulnerable society where NGOs have a great deal of influence. By one estimate, Haiti has the most development NGOs of any country per capita and the vast majority of the country's social services are run by domestic or foreign NGOs. Their influential position in Haiti provides a clear window into Western government-funded NGOs worst tendencies.
Many NGOs joined the Bush administration, Ottawa and a handful of armed thugs in calling for the removal of Haiti's democratically elected president in 2004. After repeatedly complaining about human rights violations under the elected government, these groups (Development and Peace, Rights and Democracy, Oxfam Québec, Alternatives etc.) ignored or denied the massive increase in human rights violations that took place in the aftermath of the coup.
A January 2008 federal government-funded report published by Alternatives (Québec's biggest proponent of the World Social Forum) provides an eye into NGOs colonial attitude vis-a-vis Haiti:
"In a country like Haiti, in which democratic culture has never taken hold, the concept of the common good and the meaning of elections and representation are limited to the educated elites, and in particular to those who have received citizen education within the social movements."
According to Alternatives, Haitians are too stupid to know what's good for them, unless, that is, they've been educated by a foreign NGO. (For a detailed account of government-funded NGOs role in Haiti see Press for Conversion's three recent reports or Damning the Flood by Peter Hallward.)
In trying to reason with these groups, one discovers that information or rational argument does little to sway groups receiving millions of dollars from the Canadian government for work in Haiti. Maintaining a progressive agenda in a country considered "high priority" by the power brokers in Ottawa is extremely difficult. And with the intervention into Haiti - unlike say the invasion of Iraq -on few people's political radar, these NGOs felt limited grass-roots pressure to abandon their government benefactors.
Unlike in Canada Western government-funded NGOs are widely criticized in Haiti. Most progressive minded Canadians see NGOs as part of the solution to global poverty yet where these groups are "helping" out the situation is quite different.
Across the country's political spectrum, Haitians have been highly critical of development NGOs role in undermining the country's government. A couple months ago the left-wing newspaper Haiti Progrès called NGOs in the country a "mafia" and on February 5 the country's president, René Préval, called on Washington to stop channeling its assistance through NGOs.
This weekend, on February 28, thousands of Haitians will once again demonstrate against the coup, expressing their opposition to the responsibility to protect, UN peacekeepers and Western government-funded NGOs.
*Yves Engler is the author of the forthcoming The Black Book of Canadian Foreign Policy and other books. If you would like to help organize a talk as part of a book tour in May/June Please e-mail: yvesengler [at] hotmail [.] com
Haiti's Harsh Realities
By YVES ENGLER
Haiti can teach you a lot about the harsh reality of social affairs.
From the grips of the most barbaric form of plantation economy sprung probably the greatest example of liberation in the history of humanity.
The 1791-1804 Haitian Revolution was simultaneously a struggle against slavery, colonialism and white supremacy. Defeating the French, British and Spanish empires, it led to freedom for all people regardless of color, decades before this idea found traction in Europe or North America.
Unfortunately, Haiti's history also demonstrates how fluidly Europe (and North America) moved from formal colonialism to neo-imperialism.
Technically "independent" for more than two centuries, outsiders have long shaped the country's affairs. Through isolation, economic asphyxiation, debt dependence, gunboat diplomacy, occupation, foreign supported dictatorships, structural adjustment programs and "democracy promotion"
Haiti is no stranger to the various forms of foreign political manipulation. Most recently, the elected government of Jean-Bertrand Aristide was destabilized and then overthrown on February 29 2004 by the US, France and Canada, which ushered in a terrible wave of political repression and an ongoing UN occupation.
As we approach the five-year anniversary of the coup, there are three important lessons to be learned from this intervention. First of all, the Canadian sponsored responsibility to protect" doctrine, which many want to encode in international law, is little more than a cover for imperialism.
Liberal Party officials justified cutting off aid and invading Haiti by citing a "responsibility to protect" the country, yet the intervention further devastated an already impoverished population.
The second lesson is that "peacekeepers" can be used to wage a brutal class war.
In the two years after the coup, UN troops regularly provided vital support for the Haitian police's violent assaults on poor communities and peaceful demonstrations demanding the return of the elected government.
UN forces also participated directly in this violent political pacification campaign, launching repeated anti-"gang" assaults on poor neighborhoods in Port-au-Prince.
The two most horrific raids took place on January 6, 2005 and December 22, 2006, which together left some 35 innocent civilians dead and dozens wounded in the densely populated slum of Cité Soleil (a bastion of support for Aristide).
In April 2008 UN troops once again demonstrated that their primary purpose in the country was to defend the status quo. During riots over the rising cost of food they put down protests by killing a handful of demonstrators. (Kevin Pina’s film Haiti: The UNtold Story, which will be shown across the country in the coming weeks, documents the chilling brutality of UN forces.)
Finally, Haiti provides an example of how self-described "progressive" Western government-funded NGOs function as an arm of imperialism.
A sort of NGO laboratory, Haiti is a highly vulnerable society where NGOs have a great deal of influence. By one estimate, Haiti has the most development NGOs of any country per capita and the vast majority of the country's social services are run by domestic or foreign NGOs. Their influential position in Haiti provides a clear window into Western government-funded NGOs worst tendencies.
Many NGOs joined the Bush administration, Ottawa and a handful of armed thugs in calling for the removal of Haiti's democratically elected president in 2004. After repeatedly complaining about human rights violations under the elected government, these groups (Development and Peace, Rights and Democracy, Oxfam Québec, Alternatives etc.) ignored or denied the massive increase in human rights violations that took place in the aftermath of the coup.
A January 2008 federal government-funded report published by Alternatives (Québec's biggest proponent of the World Social Forum) provides an eye into NGOs colonial attitude vis-a-vis Haiti:
"In a country like Haiti, in which democratic culture has never taken hold, the concept of the common good and the meaning of elections and representation are limited to the educated elites, and in particular to those who have received citizen education within the social movements."
According to Alternatives, Haitians are too stupid to know what's good for them, unless, that is, they've been educated by a foreign NGO. (For a detailed account of government-funded NGOs role in Haiti see Press for Conversion's three recent reports or Damning the Flood by Peter Hallward.)
In trying to reason with these groups, one discovers that information or rational argument does little to sway groups receiving millions of dollars from the Canadian government for work in Haiti. Maintaining a progressive agenda in a country considered "high priority" by the power brokers in Ottawa is extremely difficult. And with the intervention into Haiti - unlike say the invasion of Iraq -on few people's political radar, these NGOs felt limited grass-roots pressure to abandon their government benefactors.
Unlike in Canada Western government-funded NGOs are widely criticized in Haiti. Most progressive minded Canadians see NGOs as part of the solution to global poverty yet where these groups are "helping" out the situation is quite different.
Across the country's political spectrum, Haitians have been highly critical of development NGOs role in undermining the country's government. A couple months ago the left-wing newspaper Haiti Progrès called NGOs in the country a "mafia" and on February 5 the country's president, René Préval, called on Washington to stop channeling its assistance through NGOs.
This weekend, on February 28, thousands of Haitians will once again demonstrate against the coup, expressing their opposition to the responsibility to protect, UN peacekeepers and Western government-funded NGOs.
*Yves Engler is the author of the forthcoming The Black Book of Canadian Foreign Policy and other books. If you would like to help organize a talk as part of a book tour in May/June Please e-mail: yvesengler [at] hotmail [.] com
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Thunder Dim 1 Mar 2009 - 11:58
De 1994 a 2004, yon moun ta kenbe yon diskou konsa, e w chanje non aktè yo, yo t ap ba w tout kalite epitèt pote.
Yo pa t sonje ke Ayiti te endepandan tou an 1994, lè yo t ap mande pou papa yo mennen yo tounen sou twòn yo. Yo bliye ke se yo ki te premye mande anbago pou peyi a, pou swadizan "demokrasuuuu" ka tounen. Yo bliye anba zèl ki bèt ke yo te ateri Pòtoprens le 15 Oktòb 1994.
Jou sa yo, depi w te kont sa, wou te "panzouyis", FRAPH, Makout, Defakto...
Men se 2004 sa a ke, Konze ayè yo mete palto nasyonalis sou yo,
Se an 2004 tou ke Tout "militan" sonje genyen yon pèp defavorize, Chimè touye e kraze zo yo plis ke FAd'H, FRAPH, Makout konbine ansanm. Men se kounye a ke yo ekziste. Ronald Kadav ak Ronald Bèbè sèlman touye plizyè santènn, men viktim sa yo sanble pat moun.
Pa genyen youn nan moun sa yo, kap defann pèp vre. Paske si w ap defann pèp wou paka pat konn denonse san manman lavalas yo, wou paka se lè diktatè bivèt san an pa o pouvwa pou zye w kale sèlman.
Militan 29 Fevriye sa yo bay moun degoutans, se pou yon sèl bagay ke y ap kriye : Aristide ak konpayèl li yo ki pa fini koudeta elektoral 2000 ke yo te fè pou 5 kan an.
Yo pa t sonje ke Ayiti te endepandan tou an 1994, lè yo t ap mande pou papa yo mennen yo tounen sou twòn yo. Yo bliye ke se yo ki te premye mande anbago pou peyi a, pou swadizan "demokrasuuuu" ka tounen. Yo bliye anba zèl ki bèt ke yo te ateri Pòtoprens le 15 Oktòb 1994.
Jou sa yo, depi w te kont sa, wou te "panzouyis", FRAPH, Makout, Defakto...
Men se 2004 sa a ke, Konze ayè yo mete palto nasyonalis sou yo,
Se an 2004 tou ke Tout "militan" sonje genyen yon pèp defavorize, Chimè touye e kraze zo yo plis ke FAd'H, FRAPH, Makout konbine ansanm. Men se kounye a ke yo ekziste. Ronald Kadav ak Ronald Bèbè sèlman touye plizyè santènn, men viktim sa yo sanble pat moun.
Pa genyen youn nan moun sa yo, kap defann pèp vre. Paske si w ap defann pèp wou paka pat konn denonse san manman lavalas yo, wou paka se lè diktatè bivèt san an pa o pouvwa pou zye w kale sèlman.
Militan 29 Fevriye sa yo bay moun degoutans, se pou yon sèl bagay ke y ap kriye : Aristide ak konpayèl li yo ki pa fini koudeta elektoral 2000 ke yo te fè pou 5 kan an.
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Invité Dim 1 Mar 2009 - 12:09
Avan mwen komante sijé a, map mande Marc poukisa nan toutt bèl foto ti pè a, se foto misie sanble fatige e li parèt yon ti jan lèd la li afiche nan portal la:
Marc,
Pa fè'm sa'm pap fè ou. Titid gen pi bèl foto ke sa.
Marc,
Pa fè'm sa'm pap fè ou. Titid gen pi bèl foto ke sa.
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Sasaye Dim 1 Mar 2009 - 12:18
Thunder, mwen konnen opiniyon w sou Aristid ak Lavalas. Tout pozisyion w klè sou sa.
Men eske atik saa pa merite diskite pou wè rezilta koudeta a e konsekans li avèk ONG lan peyi a?
Se yon Kanadyen ki ap montre kijan gouvènman Kanada avèk oganizasyon kanadyen patisipe lan ranvèsman gouvènman yon lòt peyi.
Men eske atik saa pa merite diskite pou wè rezilta koudeta a e konsekans li avèk ONG lan peyi a?
Se yon Kanadyen ki ap montre kijan gouvènman Kanada avèk oganizasyon kanadyen patisipe lan ranvèsman gouvènman yon lòt peyi.
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Thunder Dim 1 Mar 2009 - 13:16
Sasaye,
Pou yon atik diskite san pasyon, fòk atik la li menm san fòs kote. Men ki paragraf ki fè ke mwen pa pran moun ki ekri l la oserye :
Anplis, De ki "coup" l ap pale la a ? ...misye pa konn kisa yo rele kou ?
Pou yon atik diskite san pasyon, fòk atik la li menm san fòs kote. Men ki paragraf ki fè ke mwen pa pran moun ki ekri l la oserye :
Many NGOs joined the Bush administration, Ottawa and a handful of armed thugs in calling for the removal of Haiti's democratically elected president in 2004. After repeatedly complaining about human rights violations under the elected government, these groups (Development and Peace, Rights and Democracy, Oxfam Québec, Alternatives etc.) ignored or denied the massive increase in human rights violations that took place in the aftermath of the coup.
Anplis, De ki "coup" l ap pale la a ? ...misye pa konn kisa yo rele kou ?
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Thunder Dim 1 Mar 2009 - 14:04
colocolo a écrit:Avan mwen komante sijé a, map mande Marc poukisa nan toutt bèl foto ti pè a, se foto misie sanble fatige e li parèt yon ti jan lèd la li afiche nan portal la:
Marc,
Pa fè'm sa'm pap fè ou. Titid gen pi bèl foto ke sa.
Lè sa bon, di sa bon
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Invité Dim 1 Mar 2009 - 16:13
Thunder,
Sa poko bon.
Men lè sa ap bon se lè Titid ap ka bay pèp la manje anko. Pran patians pou chache eping.
GNB tankou Lavalas ap manje jou sa a.
Sa poko bon.
Men lè sa ap bon se lè Titid ap ka bay pèp la manje anko. Pran patians pou chache eping.
GNB tankou Lavalas ap manje jou sa a.
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Thunder Lun 2 Mar 2009 - 11:10
Wouyyy! lè sa a ti nèg te toujou sou ve de chastete ak povrete(lol)
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piporiko Lun 2 Mar 2009 - 11:36
colocolo a écrit:Thunder,
Sa poko bon.
Men lè sa ap bon se lè Titid ap ka bay pèp la manje anko. Pran patians pou chache eping.
GNB tankou Lavalas ap manje jou sa a.
FOTO SA A ,SE YON FOTO KI PRAN 8 OU 9 FEVRIE APRE TITID TE FINN PRETE SEMAN.SE LE SA LI TE PREZANTE ALIX SYLVA LI TE DI KOUNYE A SE YON MARIAJ PEP LA AK LAME.LA SUITE ,ON LA CONNAIT 7 MOIS PLUS TARD...
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Invité Lun 2 Mar 2009 - 12:24
Thunder a écrit:Wouyyy! lè sa a ti nèg te toujou sou ve de chastete ak povrete(lol)
Thunder,
Ou domi deyo e Pipo mete lod pou ou.
Se liliann ki di ou misie potko prezidan lè sa a???
Ou wè kijan vie press la ap manipile ou ak vie enfomasyon?
Kale je ou, gason!
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Thunder Lun 2 Mar 2009 - 14:19
Colocolo,
Se mwen ki di w ke li pat prezudan (lol) lè sa a ? ...Mwen di w ke li te toujou sou ve chastete ak povrete, sa vle di li pot ko pran "femme" ak li pot ko goute liks milyon dola likid ke kès leta ak Ketant ka bay.
Se mwen ki di w ke li pat prezudan (lol) lè sa a ? ...Mwen di w ke li te toujou sou ve chastete ak povrete, sa vle di li pot ko pran "femme" ak li pot ko goute liks milyon dola likid ke kès leta ak Ketant ka bay.
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Invité Lun 2 Mar 2009 - 14:25
Thunder a écrit:Colocolo,
Se mwen ki di w ke li pat prezudan (lol) lè sa a ? ...Mwen di w ke li te toujou sou ve chastete ak povrete, sa vle di li pot ko pran "femme" ak li pot ko goute liks milyon dola likid ke kès leta ak Ketant ka bay.
Thunder,
Bel détour!
Un homme intelligent comme vous doit etre dans le camp du peuple et défendre les intérets de son pays.
Vous avez tout pour etre un bon patriote, un bon Titidien, seule la volonté vous manque en ce moment.
Ou mèt tounen nan plas ou, tonton, lè ou pral antre nan pot la, si Pipo ou Joel bare ou, di se mwen ki di ou mèt antre.
Les jeunes intelligents doivent etre Aristidiens, c'est le mot de passe pour entrer dans la salle.
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Marc-Henry Lun 2 Mar 2009 - 16:47
Colo
Cette photo a été prise après le coup d'état du 29 février 2004 , je crois.
Cette photo a été prise après le coup d'état du 29 février 2004 , je crois.
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Thunder Mar 3 Mar 2009 - 5:38
colocolo a écrit:Thunder a écrit:Colocolo,
Se mwen ki di w ke li pat prezudan (lol) lè sa a ? ...Mwen di w ke li te toujou sou ve chastete ak povrete, sa vle di li pot ko pran "femme" ak li pot ko goute liks milyon dola likid ke kès leta ak Ketant ka bay.
Thunder,
Bel détour!
Un homme intelligent comme vous doit etre dans le camp du peuple et défendre les intérets de son pays.
Vous avez tout pour etre un bon patriote, un bon Titidien, seule la volonté vous manque en ce moment.
Ou mèt tounen nan plas ou, tonton, lè ou pral antre nan pot la, si Pipo ou Joel bare ou, di se mwen ki di ou mèt antre.
Les jeunes intelligents doivent etre Aristidiens, c'est le mot de passe pour entrer dans la salle.
Kijan wou defini Titidism nan ? montre m kisa de pozitif li mennen pou peyi a pandan 10 zan nou sot fè ap viv li la nan tout koridor pouvwa politik, ekonomik ak sosyal ...san pasyon, san pwopagann, vini avèk agiman.
An nou bliye, pou yon ti moman, tout lenmi politik lavalas. Montre m kijan ke Titidism lan te jere de fason pozitiv pouvwa ki te nan menm yo a 100%.
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Invité Mar 3 Mar 2009 - 15:38
Thunder a écrit:Kijan wou defini Titidism nan ? montre m kisa de pozitif li mennen pou peyi a pandan 10 zan nou sot fè ap viv li la nan tout koridor pouvwa politik, ekonomik ak sosyal ...san pasyon, san pwopagann, vini avèk agiman.
An nou bliye, pou yon ti moman, tout lenmi politik lavalas. Montre m kijan ke Titidism lan te jere de fason pozitiv pouvwa ki te nan menm yo a 100%.
Thunder,
Quelle différence faites-vous entre un Aristidien et un Lavalas?
Je vais vous aider à y répondre.
Si Titid décide de changer de parti politique, ses partisans changeront-ils de parti politique avec lui????
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Thunder Mer 4 Mar 2009 - 2:16
Non Colo,
Se pou w montre m kisa Titidism lan pote pou peyi a ki fè ke se moun entèlijan ke w reklame pou sèkt sa a. Wou panse ke w bay repons lan deja, men li pa detaye ase, li two senplis
. Lè w fini, m ap montre w kijan mwen diferansye yo. M ap tann wou.
Se pou w montre m kisa Titidism lan pote pou peyi a ki fè ke se moun entèlijan ke w reklame pou sèkt sa a. Wou panse ke w bay repons lan deja, men li pa detaye ase, li two senplis
. Lè w fini, m ap montre w kijan mwen diferansye yo. M ap tann wou.
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Invité Mer 4 Mar 2009 - 14:34
Thunder a écrit:Non Colo,
Se pou w montre m kisa Titidism lan pote pou peyi a ki fè ke se moun entèlijan ke w reklame pou sèkt sa a. Wou panse ke w bay repons lan deja, men li pa detaye ase, li two senplis
Thunder,
Le Titidisme est l'idéologie, la vision qui veut un meilleur partage de nos ressources. Cela n'a rien à voir avec le Lavalas. Si vous voulez savoir en détails ce qu'est le Titidisme, je vous invite à lire ou écouter les sermons de Titid à Saint Jean Bosco.
Sans doute, votre question sera: pourquoi n'avons-nous pas constaté les résultats de cette idéologie durant les 2 mandats de Titid?
Tout d'abord, je vous dirai que Titid n'a jamais fait 2 mandats. Durant le laps de temps qu'il a dirigé ce pays, il a été pris en sandwich entre les éternels opposants ou mercenaires (supportés et surtout financés par les puissances impérialistes et racistes) et ses propres collaborateurs, les lavalas, qui ne voulaient que s'enrichir et magouiller vue leur position privilégiée à coté du prince.
Maintenant, je vais vous donner un défi. Trouvez un pays ou après le renversement d'un régime, seul le Chef d'Etat part en exil. C'est une facon claire pour vous dire que ni l'International, ni les mercenaires en Haiti n'avaient pas un problème avec Lavalas en soi mais avec Jean Bertrand Aristide.
C'est pourquoi nous autres jeunes, nous devrons etre intelligents pour prendre les bonnes décisions et surtout ne pas participer à notre propre destruction.
Jusqu'à date, Titid reste le seul leader Haitien qui comprend et surtout veut résoudre les problèmes des démunis du pays.
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Thunder Lun 9 Mar 2009 - 8:15
Colocolo,
Pou kòmanse mwen pa dakò ak definition sa a ke w bay la. Titidism lan pa ka pou pataj, paske menm ant yo menm pat genyen yon meyè pataj, se chyen manje chyen, pi gwo manje piti. Pou m ta dakò ak deklarasyon w lan enpe, w te dwe presize ke "pataj" lan fèt paske Titidism lan "pwodwi" plis milyonè ke menm Duvalier ak Rejim Militè FAd'H yo te bay konbine ansanb.
Lavalas, se te mouvman popilè ki te konbat diktati Duvalier nan ane 80 yo jiskaske ke makak lan te kase kowww. Aristide jouke mouvman sa a. Men depi retou Tutud an 1994, lavalas la vini fann an 2 pati.
Yon pati kwè ke "Lavalas" vle di Aristide, e Aristide sèl. Pou yo, se chanjman "aktè" yo ke yo reklame sèlman. Men senaryo a rete menm jan, delapidasyon kès leta, dwòg, asasina, diparisyon ak maspinay politik, baboukèt Panyòl, milis prive, Kraponay, elatriye... Kan sa a se Titidis yo.
Lòt kan an rete soude ak prensip ane 80 yo, paske yo rete kwè ke prensip sa yo poko respekte. Men kòm Tutud kidnape mo "Lavalas" la, yon mouvman oubyen yon pati politik tankou yon moun ap "oblije" prezante tèt yo kòm "anti-lavalas".
Men, si w gade nan background nan, w ap wè ke se menm Lavalasyen ayè yo ki "anti lavalas" jounen jodi a
Mouvman Lavalas la, ( se pa Fanmi Lavalas) se yon mouvman nòb, m pa dakò ak taktik politik la, men m kwè nan menm objektif yo. Yon Lavi miyò pou tout moun.
Pou kòmanse mwen pa dakò ak definition sa a ke w bay la. Titidism lan pa ka pou pataj, paske menm ant yo menm pat genyen yon meyè pataj, se chyen manje chyen, pi gwo manje piti. Pou m ta dakò ak deklarasyon w lan enpe, w te dwe presize ke "pataj" lan fèt paske Titidism lan "pwodwi" plis milyonè ke menm Duvalier ak Rejim Militè FAd'H yo te bay konbine ansanb.
Lavalas, se te mouvman popilè ki te konbat diktati Duvalier nan ane 80 yo jiskaske ke makak lan te kase kowww. Aristide jouke mouvman sa a. Men depi retou Tutud an 1994, lavalas la vini fann an 2 pati.
Yon pati kwè ke "Lavalas" vle di Aristide, e Aristide sèl. Pou yo, se chanjman "aktè" yo ke yo reklame sèlman. Men senaryo a rete menm jan, delapidasyon kès leta, dwòg, asasina, diparisyon ak maspinay politik, baboukèt Panyòl, milis prive, Kraponay, elatriye... Kan sa a se Titidis yo.
Lòt kan an rete soude ak prensip ane 80 yo, paske yo rete kwè ke prensip sa yo poko respekte. Men kòm Tutud kidnape mo "Lavalas" la, yon mouvman oubyen yon pati politik tankou yon moun ap "oblije" prezante tèt yo kòm "anti-lavalas".
Men, si w gade nan background nan, w ap wè ke se menm Lavalasyen ayè yo ki "anti lavalas" jounen jodi a
Mouvman Lavalas la, ( se pa Fanmi Lavalas) se yon mouvman nòb, m pa dakò ak taktik politik la, men m kwè nan menm objektif yo. Yon Lavi miyò pou tout moun.
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Re: The Coup Five Years On . Réalités après le coup d'état.
Thunder Lun 9 Mar 2009 - 8:46
colocolo a écrit:Thunder a écrit:Non Colo,
Se pou w montre m kisa Titidism lan pote pou peyi a ki fè ke se moun entèlijan ke w reklame pou sèkt sa a. Wou panse ke w bay repons lan deja, men li pa detaye ase, li two senplis
Thunder,
Le Titidisme est l'idéologie, la vision qui veut un meilleur partage de nos ressources. Cela n'a rien à voir avec le Lavalas. Si vous voulez savoir en détails ce qu'est le Titidisme, je vous invite à lire ou écouter les sermons de Titid à Saint Jean Bosco.
Sans doute, votre question sera: pourquoi n'avons-nous pas constaté les résultats de cette idéologie durant les 2 mandats de Titid?
Tout d'abord, je vous dirai que Titid n'a jamais fait 2 mandats. Durant le laps de temps qu'il a dirigé ce pays, il a été pris en sandwich entre les éternels opposants ou mercenaires (supportés et surtout financés par les puissances impérialistes et racistes) et ses propres collaborateurs, les lavalas, qui ne voulaient que s'enrichir et magouiller vue leur position privilégiée à coté du prince.
Maintenant, je vais vous donner un défi. Trouvez un pays ou après le renversement d'un régime, seul le Chef d'Etat part en exil. C'est une facon claire pour vous dire que ni l'International, ni les mercenaires en Haiti n'avaient pas un problème avec Lavalas en soi mais avec Jean Bertrand Aristide.
C'est pourquoi nous autres jeunes, nous devrons etre intelligents pour prendre les bonnes décisions et surtout ne pas participer à notre propre destruction.
Jusqu'à date, Titid reste le seul leader Haitien qui comprend et surtout veut résoudre les problèmes des démunis du pays.
Mwen pa kwè ke Aristidism lan se yon ideyoloji, mwen plis kwè ke se yon deriv vè labim, yon anachi ki genyen yon sèl objektif ki se genbe diktati sanginè Tutud lan o pouvwa pou tout tan yo kapab. Nou tout ka konstate rezilta yo deja.
Aristide pran pouvwa de 1994 a 2004, sa bay 10 zan. Rene Preval se te yon poupe twèl, paske gouvenman lan te konpoze pa moun ke Aristide "nonmen", nou konnen tout istwa a deja.
Wou finalman ban m rezon ke an 2004 pat genyen oken koudeta. Yvon Neptune fè anviwon 10 jou opouvwa anvan li pase kòn lan legalman bay Latortue. Se lavalas menm ki jete ansyen diktatè a.
Youn nan bòn desizyon ke yon moun entèlijan dwe pran, se pa foure tèta w nan Gwoup Gang Fanmi Lavalas (2GFL) la, Gwoup gang sa a se enmi jenès la, li mete yo nan tout move direksyon ki lage yo swa nan prizon oubyen anba tè. Mwen ta envite w ale nan zòn defavorize tankou Site Solèy pou w envestige politik retwograd ke sanzave sa yo ap itilize kont pitit Sò Yèt nan peyi a.
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Re: The Coup Five Years On . Réalités après le coup d'état.
Invité Lun 9 Mar 2009 - 13:37
Thunder a écrit: Youn nan bòn desizyon ke yon moun entèlijan dwe pran, se pa foure tèta w nan Gwoup Gang Fanmi Lavalas (2GFL) la, Gwoup gang sa a se enmi jenès la, li mete yo nan tout move direksyon ki lage yo swa nan prizon oubyen anba tè. Mwen ta envite w ale nan zòn defavorize tankou Site Solèy pou w envestige politik retwograd ke sanzave sa yo ap itilize kont pitit Sò Yèt nan peyi a.
Enmi ki jenès???
Poukisa Titid toujou rapote tout eleksion a 90%?
Poze bon keksion non.
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Re: The Coup Five Years On . Réalités après le coup d'état.
Thunder Mar 10 Mar 2009 - 6:07
Jenès pov yo. Depi se jenn gason poy mwen ki rantre tèt yo nan zafè Lavalas se swa yo mouri, swa yo nan prizon. Se 2 bagay ke Aristide te ofri jenès la, se yon kawotchou ak kazolin oubyen yon zam afe. Pandan ke Aristide ap boule gra, e an retou li lage yon chèk zonbi nan men yo avèk li ba yo otorite kom "chèf".
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Re: The Coup Five Years On . Réalités après le coup d'état.
Invité Mar 10 Mar 2009 - 8:35
Thunder a écrit:Jenès pov yo. Depi se jenn gason poy mwen ki rantre tèt yo nan zafè Lavalas se swa yo mouri, swa yo nan prizon. Se 2 bagay ke Aristide te ofri jenès la, se yon kawotchou ak kazolin oubyen yon zam afe. Pandan ke Aristide ap boule gra, e an retou li lage yon chèk zonbi nan men yo avèk li ba yo otorite kom "chèf".
Eske se pa dekourajan e denigran sa wap fè a rele?
Se pou papa'l ak manman'l li te fè Université La Paix?
Fè konsta enteresan non!
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Rodlam Sans Malice Mar 10 Mar 2009 - 8:58
Mete verite sou tanbou pou eklere yo.menmsi genyen nan yo se movez fwa yo genyen. yo pito fèmen je yo,bouche zorey yo pou yo pa wè ou tande sa ki te reyalise.mwen ta renmen pose yo kek kestyon:Eske se vre ou se manti ke diran 15 ane ke lavalas fè o pouvwa gouvenman an bati plis lekol ke tout lot gouvenman ki te la anvan yo?Mwen pat an ayiti men se sa ke mwen li;eske se vre pandan gouvenman lavalas yo plis pitit sor yet jwen bous pou yo ale kiba al etidye medsinn?Eske se vre pandan gouvenman lavalas yo genyen plis kantinn skolè ki bati kote ti moun ka manje yon pla manje cho pa jou?eske se vre pandan gouvenman lavalas la genyen plis lopital ki bati nan peyi ya ke pandan tout lot gouvenman yo?eske se vre genyen plis wout ki bati ?eske se vre la press te pi lib pase sou tout lot gouvenman yo?eske se vre te genyen mwens prisonye politik pandan gouvenman lavalas ke pandan lè Gnibst yo te pase 2 zan o pouvwa?eske se vre mwens moun mouri pa bal pandan gouvenman lavalas ke pandan gouvenman militè, gnbist yo?Si majorite ayisyen ka reponn kestyon sa yo positivman e byen mwen di plis tan lavalas pase o pouvwa plis sa vo la penn.Mwen pa deyè job non se petet sa ki fè mwen pou la verité.
menm si pafwa mwen kritike yo paske yo pa genyen kouraj ase pou defann manda ke pep la ba yo men tou si yon moun pa avegle pa la ènn e la jalousi fok ou rann ou kont ke se yo ki genyen plis pitye pou sa ki ap soufri e ki an pi gran nonb nan peyi ya.tan pri souple reponn mwen ak bon jan statistik pa vini ak ènn ,denigreman , diffamatyon e manti.
menm si pafwa mwen kritike yo paske yo pa genyen kouraj ase pou defann manda ke pep la ba yo men tou si yon moun pa avegle pa la ènn e la jalousi fok ou rann ou kont ke se yo ki genyen plis pitye pou sa ki ap soufri e ki an pi gran nonb nan peyi ya.tan pri souple reponn mwen ak bon jan statistik pa vini ak ènn ,denigreman , diffamatyon e manti.
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Re: The Coup Five Years On . Réalités après le coup d'état.
Thunder Mer 11 Mar 2009 - 1:13
colocolo a écrit:Thunder a écrit:Jenès pov yo. Depi se jenn gason poy mwen ki rantre tèt yo nan zafè Lavalas se swa yo mouri, swa yo nan prizon. Se 2 bagay ke Aristide te ofri jenès la, se yon kawotchou ak kazolin oubyen yon zam afe. Pandan ke Aristide ap boule gra, e an retou li lage yon chèk zonbi nan men yo avèk li ba yo otorite kom "chèf".
Eske se pa dekourajan e denigran sa wap fè a rele?
Se pou papa'l ak manman'l li te fè Université La Paix?
Fè konsta enteresan non!
Colo genbe ko w ti yason, Inivèsite sa a se pou poudre zye moun ki pov nan lespri. M pa konnen pou ki moun li te fè'l, men li pat fè'l pou pèp lan. An pasan, eske w ka di m ki pyès ak kritè pou yon moun genyen pou l admèt la ?
Moun ki sibi plis ak fenomèn negatif Titidism sa a se pèp Site Solèy, si w nonmen yon lekol menm teknik ke Lavalas te kreye nan Site Solèy, m ap retire fraz ki pat fè w plezi a, e m ap fè eskiz piblik. Sa a se yon defi
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Re: The Coup Five Years On . Réalités après le coup d'état.
Thunder Mer 11 Mar 2009 - 1:16
M bliye di w pou pa menm nonmen Lise Site Solèy la, mwen te wè ak 2 nawè m moun ki t ap bati l yo.
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