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Sasaye Sam 28 Fév 2009 - 13:36
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The Coup Five Years On
Haiti's Harsh Realities
By YVES ENGLER
Haiti can teach you a lot about the harsh reality of social affairs.
From the grips of the most barbaric form of plantation economy sprung probably the greatest example of liberation in the history of humanity.
The 1791-1804 Haitian Revolution was simultaneously a struggle against slavery, colonialism and white supremacy. Defeating the French, British and Spanish empires, it led to freedom for all people regardless of color, decades before this idea found traction in Europe or North America.
Unfortunately, Haiti's history also demonstrates how fluidly Europe (and North America) moved from formal colonialism to neo-imperialism.
Technically "independent" for more than two centuries, outsiders have long shaped the country's affairs. Through isolation, economic asphyxiation, debt dependence, gunboat diplomacy, occupation, foreign supported dictatorships, structural adjustment programs and "democracy promotion"
Haiti is no stranger to the various forms of foreign political manipulation. Most recently, the elected government of Jean-Bertrand Aristide was destabilized and then overthrown on February 29 2004 by the US, France and Canada, which ushered in a terrible wave of political repression and an ongoing UN occupation.
As we approach the five-year anniversary of the coup, there are three important lessons to be learned from this intervention. First of all, the Canadian sponsored responsibility to protect" doctrine, which many want to encode in international law, is little more than a cover for imperialism.
Liberal Party officials justified cutting off aid and invading Haiti by citing a "responsibility to protect" the country, yet the intervention further devastated an already impoverished population.
The second lesson is that "peacekeepers" can be used to wage a brutal class war.
In the two years after the coup, UN troops regularly provided vital support for the Haitian police's violent assaults on poor communities and peaceful demonstrations demanding the return of the elected government.
UN forces also participated directly in this violent political pacification campaign, launching repeated anti-"gang" assaults on poor neighborhoods in Port-au-Prince.
The two most horrific raids took place on January 6, 2005 and December 22, 2006, which together left some 35 innocent civilians dead and dozens wounded in the densely populated slum of Cité Soleil (a bastion of support for Aristide).
In April 2008 UN troops once again demonstrated that their primary purpose in the country was to defend the status quo. During riots over the rising cost of food they put down protests by killing a handful of demonstrators. (Kevin Pina’s film Haiti: The UNtold Story, which will be shown across the country in the coming weeks, documents the chilling brutality of UN forces.)
Finally, Haiti provides an example of how self-described "progressive" Western government-funded NGOs function as an arm of imperialism.
A sort of NGO laboratory, Haiti is a highly vulnerable society where NGOs have a great deal of influence. By one estimate, Haiti has the most development NGOs of any country per capita and the vast majority of the country's social services are run by domestic or foreign NGOs. Their influential position in Haiti provides a clear window into Western government-funded NGOs worst tendencies.
Many NGOs joined the Bush administration, Ottawa and a handful of armed thugs in calling for the removal of Haiti's democratically elected president in 2004. After repeatedly complaining about human rights violations under the elected government, these groups (Development and Peace, Rights and Democracy, Oxfam Québec, Alternatives etc.) ignored or denied the massive increase in human rights violations that took place in the aftermath of the coup.
A January 2008 federal government-funded report published by Alternatives (Québec's biggest proponent of the World Social Forum) provides an eye into NGOs colonial attitude vis-a-vis Haiti:
"In a country like Haiti, in which democratic culture has never taken hold, the concept of the common good and the meaning of elections and representation are limited to the educated elites, and in particular to those who have received citizen education within the social movements."
According to Alternatives, Haitians are too stupid to know what's good for them, unless, that is, they've been educated by a foreign NGO. (For a detailed account of government-funded NGOs role in Haiti see Press for Conversion's three recent reports or Damning the Flood by Peter Hallward.)
In trying to reason with these groups, one discovers that information or rational argument does little to sway groups receiving millions of dollars from the Canadian government for work in Haiti. Maintaining a progressive agenda in a country considered "high priority" by the power brokers in Ottawa is extremely difficult. And with the intervention into Haiti - unlike say the invasion of Iraq -on few people's political radar, these NGOs felt limited grass-roots pressure to abandon their government benefactors.
Unlike in Canada Western government-funded NGOs are widely criticized in Haiti. Most progressive minded Canadians see NGOs as part of the solution to global poverty yet where these groups are "helping" out the situation is quite different.
Across the country's political spectrum, Haitians have been highly critical of development NGOs role in undermining the country's government. A couple months ago the left-wing newspaper Haiti Progrès called NGOs in the country a "mafia" and on February 5 the country's president, René Préval, called on Washington to stop channeling its assistance through NGOs.
This weekend, on February 28, thousands of Haitians will once again demonstrate against the coup, expressing their opposition to the responsibility to protect, UN peacekeepers and Western government-funded NGOs.
*Yves Engler is the author of the forthcoming The Black Book of Canadian Foreign Policy and other books. If you would like to help organize a talk as part of a book tour in May/June Please e-mail: yvesengler [at] hotmail [.] com
The Coup Five Years On
Haiti's Harsh Realities
By YVES ENGLER
Haiti can teach you a lot about the harsh reality of social affairs.
From the grips of the most barbaric form of plantation economy sprung probably the greatest example of liberation in the history of humanity.
The 1791-1804 Haitian Revolution was simultaneously a struggle against slavery, colonialism and white supremacy. Defeating the French, British and Spanish empires, it led to freedom for all people regardless of color, decades before this idea found traction in Europe or North America.
Unfortunately, Haiti's history also demonstrates how fluidly Europe (and North America) moved from formal colonialism to neo-imperialism.
Technically "independent" for more than two centuries, outsiders have long shaped the country's affairs. Through isolation, economic asphyxiation, debt dependence, gunboat diplomacy, occupation, foreign supported dictatorships, structural adjustment programs and "democracy promotion"
Haiti is no stranger to the various forms of foreign political manipulation. Most recently, the elected government of Jean-Bertrand Aristide was destabilized and then overthrown on February 29 2004 by the US, France and Canada, which ushered in a terrible wave of political repression and an ongoing UN occupation.
As we approach the five-year anniversary of the coup, there are three important lessons to be learned from this intervention. First of all, the Canadian sponsored responsibility to protect" doctrine, which many want to encode in international law, is little more than a cover for imperialism.
Liberal Party officials justified cutting off aid and invading Haiti by citing a "responsibility to protect" the country, yet the intervention further devastated an already impoverished population.
The second lesson is that "peacekeepers" can be used to wage a brutal class war.
In the two years after the coup, UN troops regularly provided vital support for the Haitian police's violent assaults on poor communities and peaceful demonstrations demanding the return of the elected government.
UN forces also participated directly in this violent political pacification campaign, launching repeated anti-"gang" assaults on poor neighborhoods in Port-au-Prince.
The two most horrific raids took place on January 6, 2005 and December 22, 2006, which together left some 35 innocent civilians dead and dozens wounded in the densely populated slum of Cité Soleil (a bastion of support for Aristide).
In April 2008 UN troops once again demonstrated that their primary purpose in the country was to defend the status quo. During riots over the rising cost of food they put down protests by killing a handful of demonstrators. (Kevin Pina’s film Haiti: The UNtold Story, which will be shown across the country in the coming weeks, documents the chilling brutality of UN forces.)
Finally, Haiti provides an example of how self-described "progressive" Western government-funded NGOs function as an arm of imperialism.
A sort of NGO laboratory, Haiti is a highly vulnerable society where NGOs have a great deal of influence. By one estimate, Haiti has the most development NGOs of any country per capita and the vast majority of the country's social services are run by domestic or foreign NGOs. Their influential position in Haiti provides a clear window into Western government-funded NGOs worst tendencies.
Many NGOs joined the Bush administration, Ottawa and a handful of armed thugs in calling for the removal of Haiti's democratically elected president in 2004. After repeatedly complaining about human rights violations under the elected government, these groups (Development and Peace, Rights and Democracy, Oxfam Québec, Alternatives etc.) ignored or denied the massive increase in human rights violations that took place in the aftermath of the coup.
A January 2008 federal government-funded report published by Alternatives (Québec's biggest proponent of the World Social Forum) provides an eye into NGOs colonial attitude vis-a-vis Haiti:
"In a country like Haiti, in which democratic culture has never taken hold, the concept of the common good and the meaning of elections and representation are limited to the educated elites, and in particular to those who have received citizen education within the social movements."
According to Alternatives, Haitians are too stupid to know what's good for them, unless, that is, they've been educated by a foreign NGO. (For a detailed account of government-funded NGOs role in Haiti see Press for Conversion's three recent reports or Damning the Flood by Peter Hallward.)
In trying to reason with these groups, one discovers that information or rational argument does little to sway groups receiving millions of dollars from the Canadian government for work in Haiti. Maintaining a progressive agenda in a country considered "high priority" by the power brokers in Ottawa is extremely difficult. And with the intervention into Haiti - unlike say the invasion of Iraq -on few people's political radar, these NGOs felt limited grass-roots pressure to abandon their government benefactors.
Unlike in Canada Western government-funded NGOs are widely criticized in Haiti. Most progressive minded Canadians see NGOs as part of the solution to global poverty yet where these groups are "helping" out the situation is quite different.
Across the country's political spectrum, Haitians have been highly critical of development NGOs role in undermining the country's government. A couple months ago the left-wing newspaper Haiti Progrès called NGOs in the country a "mafia" and on February 5 the country's president, René Préval, called on Washington to stop channeling its assistance through NGOs.
This weekend, on February 28, thousands of Haitians will once again demonstrate against the coup, expressing their opposition to the responsibility to protect, UN peacekeepers and Western government-funded NGOs.
*Yves Engler is the author of the forthcoming The Black Book of Canadian Foreign Policy and other books. If you would like to help organize a talk as part of a book tour in May/June Please e-mail: yvesengler [at] hotmail [.] com
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Thunder Mer 11 Mar 2009 - 1:46
Rodlam Sans Malice a écrit:Mete verite sou tanbou pou eklere yo.menmsi genyen nan yo se movez fwa yo genyen. yo pito fèmen je yo,bouche zorey yo pou yo pa wè ou tande sa ki te reyalise.mwen ta renmen pose yo kek kestyon:Eske se vre ou se manti ke diran 15 ane ke lavalas fè o pouvwa gouvenman an bati plis lekol ke tout lot gouvenman ki te la anvan yo?Mwen pat an ayiti men se sa ke mwen li;eske se vre pandan gouvenman lavalas yo plis pitit sor yet jwen bous pou yo ale kiba al etidye medsinn?Eske se vre pandan gouvenman lavalas yo genyen plis kantinn skolè ki bati kote ti moun ka manje yon pla manje cho pa jou?eske se vre pandan gouvenman lavalas la genyen plis lopital ki bati nan peyi ya ke pandan tout lot gouvenman yo?eske se vre genyen plis wout ki bati ?eske se vre la press te pi lib pase sou tout lot gouvenman yo?eske se vre te genyen mwens prisonye politik pandan gouvenman lavalas ke pandan lè Gnibst yo te pase 2 zan o pouvwa?eske se vre mwens moun mouri pa bal pandan gouvenman lavalas ke pandan gouvenman militè, gnbist yo?Si majorite ayisyen ka reponn kestyon sa yo positivman e byen mwen di plis tan lavalas pase o pouvwa plis sa vo la penn.Mwen pa deyè job non se petet sa ki fè mwen pou la verité.
menm si pafwa mwen kritike yo paske yo pa genyen kouraj ase pou defann manda ke pep la ba yo men tou si yon moun pa avegle pa la ènn e la jalousi fok ou rann ou kont ke se yo ki genyen plis pitye pou sa ki ap soufri e ki an pi gran nonb nan peyi ya.tan pri souple reponn mwen ak bon jan statistik pa vini ak ènn ,denigreman , diffamatyon e manti.
An patan wou menm, w pa vini ak bon estatistik, wou parèt ak yon pwopagann tou limen, ke menm madanm Aristide ap pè di ak bouch li. Tout literati pwopagandis sa a ke wou fè la a te ka rezime ak yon sèl kesyon : Eske rejim Lavalas la te soulaje mizè pèp Ayisyen an ?
M pa kwè ke yon moun bezwen genyen èn nan kè l, oubyen fè denigreman pou l wè. Ala kote moun ka wè, se sou Chalmasss (lol)
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Rodlam Sans Malice Mer 11 Mar 2009 - 8:49
Nou te ba yo tan pou yo te soulaje mizè pep la?Apre ke esklavajis blan finn toupizi yo pandan plisyè syek, yo goumen pou yo libere tet yo de blan ,nou menm se pou nou te ranplase blan ke nou te servi ak yo.nou fè konplo ak patron nou pou yo te peye pou liberte ke yo te pran apre ke nou finn touye moun ki te libere yo.apre 2 syek d'apartheid nou ap dirije peyi ya ki jan pou lavalas te ka soulaje misè pep la nan 10 lane?
se nou ki genyen levye ekonomi an nan men nou ;nou mete ak blan rasis pou nou sabote peyi ya ;nou mete anbago interyè e exteryè ki jan pou yo te ka fè soulaje misè pep la?Chak fwa yo vle reyalise yon bagay nou peye mèsenè pou arete presidan ke pep la eli epi wap mande si lavalas te soulaje misè pep la. e wou ou te soulaje misè pep la pandan tout tan ou te fè ap dirije peyi ya?Mwen pa di nou rete tann peyi saa pwodwi moun tankou Nord Alexis , Florville Hyppolite e Francois Duvalier .Nou genyen pou nou jwen yon kraze grenn ankor.se yon sel bagay mwen ta swete ke li se yon pwogresis.Men kanta poul fè nou foure ke nou anba vant nou se poul fè l tankou fRANCOIS dUVALIER TE Fè NOU POTE PITIT FI NOU NAN PALè YA VINN KOUTISE PITIT LI.SE LI KI TE KONN KI JAN POUL REGLE AK NOU.ARISTIDE TE TWO BON MOUN.nap jwen yon lot Florville ankor ki pou fisiye nou pa grap.
Se pa vre pa genyen plis lekol ki bati? pa genyen plis pitit sor yet ki jwen bous al etidye kiba. se pa vre leta pa sibvantyone liv pou ekolye, mete kantinn pou yo manje?Mande pou ogmante salè minimum ouvriye?Si w soud e aveg pa la ènn e pa lanvi ou pa ka ba lot moun responsab sa.
se nou ki genyen levye ekonomi an nan men nou ;nou mete ak blan rasis pou nou sabote peyi ya ;nou mete anbago interyè e exteryè ki jan pou yo te ka fè soulaje misè pep la?Chak fwa yo vle reyalise yon bagay nou peye mèsenè pou arete presidan ke pep la eli epi wap mande si lavalas te soulaje misè pep la. e wou ou te soulaje misè pep la pandan tout tan ou te fè ap dirije peyi ya?Mwen pa di nou rete tann peyi saa pwodwi moun tankou Nord Alexis , Florville Hyppolite e Francois Duvalier .Nou genyen pou nou jwen yon kraze grenn ankor.se yon sel bagay mwen ta swete ke li se yon pwogresis.Men kanta poul fè nou foure ke nou anba vant nou se poul fè l tankou fRANCOIS dUVALIER TE Fè NOU POTE PITIT FI NOU NAN PALè YA VINN KOUTISE PITIT LI.SE LI KI TE KONN KI JAN POUL REGLE AK NOU.ARISTIDE TE TWO BON MOUN.nap jwen yon lot Florville ankor ki pou fisiye nou pa grap.
Se pa vre pa genyen plis lekol ki bati? pa genyen plis pitit sor yet ki jwen bous al etidye kiba. se pa vre leta pa sibvantyone liv pou ekolye, mete kantinn pou yo manje?Mande pou ogmante salè minimum ouvriye?Si w soud e aveg pa la ènn e pa lanvi ou pa ka ba lot moun responsab sa.
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Re: The Coup Five Years On . Réalités après le coup d'état.
Thunder Mer 11 Mar 2009 - 16:31
Se la a, nou menm Lavalasyen, toujou fè erè, Oudimwens se taktik nou ? ...Nou toujou vle fè moun konprann ke depi yo kont rejim bout di Lavalas yo, yo nan kan boujwa, milat, yon ekip tyans. Retire m nan "nou" sa a ke w ap itilize a.
Diferans ant mwen avè w, wou pran Tutud kòm sovè pèsonèl wou. Mwen, m pa wè diferans ant vòlò ak asasen boujwa e pitit Sò Yèt. Tout sanzave se sanzave, kèlkeswa koulè po yo ak nivo ekonomik.
Klas moun ke w ap kritike la a, Aristide fè pati de yo. M renmen tande lè n ap di ke "yo" pat ban nou tan, te genyen anbago patati patata...
Epoutan chèf nou soti de :
" Avant que JBA fût président, précisément le 15 janvier 1991 à 10 heures am, voici ce qu'il avait: 6 propriétés: une à Florio, une à Pétion-Ville, une à Duvivier, deux à Caradeux, une à Tabarre, un véhicule de Isusu 4 par 4 couleur blanche. " " JBA avait deux comptes en banque à Nova Scottia à Delmas totalisant 204,111 gourdes 49 centimes. Ce fut en la date du 11 janvier 1991 la fortune personnelle du président élu d'alors
Pou vini a : (1991-2001)
Maintenant, qu'est-ce JBA possède selon M. Soukar? " En 1997, un journaliste américain visita la résidence de JBA à Tabarre, sa propriété de Tabarre ( sur une superficie de 11 carreaux de terre) vaut 4 millions de dollars US.. L'état haïtien aurait acheté la maison de JBA à 7 millions de dollars US soit 37 millions de dollars haïtiens. A Depré, JBA aurait acheté d'un américain une maison de 1 million de dollars US d'un Américain. A Montagne noire près de la maison de Acra, JBA aurait acheté une maison pour 2 millions de dollars US ( 50 millions de gourdes) ... JBA aurait loué pour ses gains personnels une maison à 6,000 dollars US le mois pour loger des membres de sa sécurité personnelle qui sont américains. Aristide aurait trois comptes bancaires à l'étranger: un à Luxembourg, un à Panama, un à Tunisie ou un à Maroc et beaucoup d'autres encore sur des prêtes-noms. En total, son compte bancaire aurait accusé un chiffre de 200 millions de dollars US.
k) En trois ans, les politiciens américains ont touché près de 3 millions de dollars US., surtout les gens de Black Caucus.
l) JBA aurait rançonné toutes les compagnies de transfert et aurait obtenu 3 millions de dollars haïtiens chaque mois... On aurait dit que sous Préval, chaque jeudi les Directeurs de la Teleco, DGI, APN aurait rendu à JBA une somme de 200,000 dollars US.
Eske se klas ke w ap pale a ki te lakòz 20 milyon dola wout ak Lopital Kafou a disparèt ? ...eske se yo ki te prezante Ketant bay Aristide ? ...eske se yo kite lakòz 60 milyon dola Teleco a disparèt ? ...150 milyon dola ke Jean Dominique t ap mande eklèsisman yo ? ...300 mil dola ki t ap pouri non kòf ? ...eskandal diri ak tòl ? ...villa Canape-Vert ? ...chèk zonbi ? ...kòb woy-woy ? ...pou m site sa a yo sèlman.
Pou sèl moun Lavalas pat genyen tan, se te pou pèp Ayisyen an.
Diferans ant mwen avè w, wou pran Tutud kòm sovè pèsonèl wou. Mwen, m pa wè diferans ant vòlò ak asasen boujwa e pitit Sò Yèt. Tout sanzave se sanzave, kèlkeswa koulè po yo ak nivo ekonomik.
Klas moun ke w ap kritike la a, Aristide fè pati de yo. M renmen tande lè n ap di ke "yo" pat ban nou tan, te genyen anbago patati patata...
Epoutan chèf nou soti de :
" Avant que JBA fût président, précisément le 15 janvier 1991 à 10 heures am, voici ce qu'il avait: 6 propriétés: une à Florio, une à Pétion-Ville, une à Duvivier, deux à Caradeux, une à Tabarre, un véhicule de Isusu 4 par 4 couleur blanche. " " JBA avait deux comptes en banque à Nova Scottia à Delmas totalisant 204,111 gourdes 49 centimes. Ce fut en la date du 11 janvier 1991 la fortune personnelle du président élu d'alors
Pou vini a : (1991-2001)
Maintenant, qu'est-ce JBA possède selon M. Soukar? " En 1997, un journaliste américain visita la résidence de JBA à Tabarre, sa propriété de Tabarre ( sur une superficie de 11 carreaux de terre) vaut 4 millions de dollars US.. L'état haïtien aurait acheté la maison de JBA à 7 millions de dollars US soit 37 millions de dollars haïtiens. A Depré, JBA aurait acheté d'un américain une maison de 1 million de dollars US d'un Américain. A Montagne noire près de la maison de Acra, JBA aurait acheté une maison pour 2 millions de dollars US ( 50 millions de gourdes) ... JBA aurait loué pour ses gains personnels une maison à 6,000 dollars US le mois pour loger des membres de sa sécurité personnelle qui sont américains. Aristide aurait trois comptes bancaires à l'étranger: un à Luxembourg, un à Panama, un à Tunisie ou un à Maroc et beaucoup d'autres encore sur des prêtes-noms. En total, son compte bancaire aurait accusé un chiffre de 200 millions de dollars US.
k) En trois ans, les politiciens américains ont touché près de 3 millions de dollars US., surtout les gens de Black Caucus.
l) JBA aurait rançonné toutes les compagnies de transfert et aurait obtenu 3 millions de dollars haïtiens chaque mois... On aurait dit que sous Préval, chaque jeudi les Directeurs de la Teleco, DGI, APN aurait rendu à JBA une somme de 200,000 dollars US.
Eske se klas ke w ap pale a ki te lakòz 20 milyon dola wout ak Lopital Kafou a disparèt ? ...eske se yo ki te prezante Ketant bay Aristide ? ...eske se yo kite lakòz 60 milyon dola Teleco a disparèt ? ...150 milyon dola ke Jean Dominique t ap mande eklèsisman yo ? ...300 mil dola ki t ap pouri non kòf ? ...eskandal diri ak tòl ? ...villa Canape-Vert ? ...chèk zonbi ? ...kòb woy-woy ? ...pou m site sa a yo sèlman.
Pou sèl moun Lavalas pat genyen tan, se te pou pèp Ayisyen an.
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Thunder Mer 11 Mar 2009 - 16:51
Rodlam Sans Malice a écrit:
Se pa vre pa genyen plis lekol ki bati? pa genyen plis pitit sor yet ki jwen bous al etidye kiba. se pa vre leta pa sibvantyone liv pou ekolye, mete kantinn pou yo manje?Mande pou ogmante salè minimum ouvriye?Si w soud e aveg pa la ènn e pa lanvi ou pa ka ba lot moun responsab sa.
Plis lekòl ki bati pa genyen anyen avwa ak Lavalas, Se blan an pèsònn ki te oblije bati laplipa nan yo e sipèvize rès yo, menm jan ak wout Ayeopò a, pou lajan yo pat disparèt paske disparisyon 20 milyon dola a te toujou frèch.
Ayiti pat genyen relasyon diplomatik ak Kiba peryòd! ...pou zafè pitit Sò Yèt la, se pat sou baz sa a ke yo te konn jwenn bous, men plito si yo oubyen fanmi ak zanmi konnen Rene Civil, Paul Raymond, Ronald Kadav...
Kisa w rele salè minimòm ? ...yon pil zòrèy bourik ki pa menm vo papye ke yo prente a, oubyen pouvwa dacha ? ...si se pou premye a wi Lavalas monte salè minimòm. Men si se pou dezyèm nan, lavalas rale plis moun vini nan mizè nwa a, paske ak 15gdes you te konn touche a, yo te ka fè plis menm sou anbago ke lavalas te mande pou 3 zan an.
Se Nou menm Tutudo-lavalasyen ki genyen èn ak lanvi, n ap mete tout betiz nou sou do lòt moun pandan ke zafè nou ap byen mache anba anba. Moun nou t ap kritike yo, se pou nou te ka pran plas yo. Nou senpleman rayi lè se pa nou ki genyen kontwòl tout bagay nan peyi a. Jan m wè touni bagay yo, nou bezwen anpil terapi ak bon jan te vèvenn mele ak asowosi.
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Rodlam Sans Malice Mer 11 Mar 2009 - 18:14
Bon si se vre menm jan yo konn kote kob Jean claude Duvalier sere ki jan fè nou pa ka di kote tout lajan Aristide volè yo sere?map repete l ankor mwen pa pran Arsitide pou sovè personel mwen ,mwen pa menm konn Aristide ,men di se mete menot nan ponyet tout delenkan ke se swa sa ki ak kravat ou byen sa ki ak sapat. e sa ki ak kravat yo pi koupab.
pwoblem mwen ak w se yon kestyon de perseptyon gen lè ou konpran mwen vle ke Arsitide vinn Presidan a vi an ayiti?se pa sa di tou map repetel ankor pou nou klè nan diskisyon an : sa ke map defann se dwa tout ayisyen pou yo ka viv lakay yo si yo vle.Si jean Claude Duvalier vle retounen lakay li jodya mwen pa genyen oken pwoblem ak sa e se pou gouvenman ba li sekirite jis yon tribinal kondane li.Wa sonje mwen te kritike Aristide paske li te kenbe presidan Avril nan prison.Mwen deja di nou mwen pa genyen moun mwen genyen prensip de jistis , de liberte, degalite, et de fraternite map defann.Mwen kont abi dotorite kelkan swa moun ki komet li.
mwen pa wè lajan ke w di Aristide volè yo men mwen tande ke elev jwen fich pou yo achte liv, yo manje yon pla manje pa jou nan kntinn leta, pitit so yet jwen bous pou yo al etidye kiba menm si se rene Civil ki ba yo rekomandatyon menm nan universite deta tou si w pa genyen yon parenn ou pat ka rantre ki sa ki etone w la?ouvriye jwen ogmantatyon salè menm si se zorey bourik ,nanpren peyi ki pa genyen enflatyon.ou pa ka dim kote wap viv la sa w te konn achte ak 20 dola 2 zan de sela ou ka achte menm kantite ya koulyè a ak 20 dola eske se presidan peyi sa yo ki responsab sa?Nou refize etabli relatyon ki eksiste ant kwasans popilatyon ,diminityon prodiktyon natyonal la ki komanse lontan anvan Aristide pran pouvwa pou nou blame lavalas de 50 an de neglijans e mové jestyon.Se movez fwa saa ki fè mwen pap janm dakor ak nou.voye numero kont bank Aristide yo ba otorite jistis nan peyi ya pou yo jije li menm pa koutumas lè sa vre ma dakor ak nou.
pwoblem mwen ak w se yon kestyon de perseptyon gen lè ou konpran mwen vle ke Arsitide vinn Presidan a vi an ayiti?se pa sa di tou map repetel ankor pou nou klè nan diskisyon an : sa ke map defann se dwa tout ayisyen pou yo ka viv lakay yo si yo vle.Si jean Claude Duvalier vle retounen lakay li jodya mwen pa genyen oken pwoblem ak sa e se pou gouvenman ba li sekirite jis yon tribinal kondane li.Wa sonje mwen te kritike Aristide paske li te kenbe presidan Avril nan prison.Mwen deja di nou mwen pa genyen moun mwen genyen prensip de jistis , de liberte, degalite, et de fraternite map defann.Mwen kont abi dotorite kelkan swa moun ki komet li.
mwen pa wè lajan ke w di Aristide volè yo men mwen tande ke elev jwen fich pou yo achte liv, yo manje yon pla manje pa jou nan kntinn leta, pitit so yet jwen bous pou yo al etidye kiba menm si se rene Civil ki ba yo rekomandatyon menm nan universite deta tou si w pa genyen yon parenn ou pat ka rantre ki sa ki etone w la?ouvriye jwen ogmantatyon salè menm si se zorey bourik ,nanpren peyi ki pa genyen enflatyon.ou pa ka dim kote wap viv la sa w te konn achte ak 20 dola 2 zan de sela ou ka achte menm kantite ya koulyè a ak 20 dola eske se presidan peyi sa yo ki responsab sa?Nou refize etabli relatyon ki eksiste ant kwasans popilatyon ,diminityon prodiktyon natyonal la ki komanse lontan anvan Aristide pran pouvwa pou nou blame lavalas de 50 an de neglijans e mové jestyon.Se movez fwa saa ki fè mwen pap janm dakor ak nou.voye numero kont bank Aristide yo ba otorite jistis nan peyi ya pou yo jije li menm pa koutumas lè sa vre ma dakor ak nou.
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