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Bien pale Deza. Vreman pito ou kraze kite sa la tan pou destriksyon forum nan ta pase pa ou menm - menm si ou ta inosan nan batay la. Ou ka genyen epi alafen ou ka remake ou peid paske Marc ka espere plis de ou menm!
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Colo, poukisa wou pa ka konsevwa ke gen ayisyen kip a pale kreyol byen. Se yon bagay ki ilojik kan nou konnen ke depi dikdantan ke se lanj ki te toujou genyen Ayiti, epwi tou sa’w va di pou ti ayisyen ki anglolofòn yo ki leve lan dyaspora ? Se pou nou konsistan, nou pa ka ap mande pou rekonèt dyaspora lè li lan avantaj nou epwi pou nou kont menm presip lè nou vle ekate yon lot. Nou gen dwa gen diferans nou, men nou pa kesyone ayisyente yon lot.
Dilibon, Pale de sa Aristid te fè ki mal, de sa GNBiste yo te fè, se an ron n’ap tounen. Sa pa’p fè Ayiti fè yon pa avan. Li lè pou mete diferans nou dekote pou nou wè kijan nou ka amelyore peyi a. Nou dwe rekonèt ke nou tout te fè erè, ke’w sw lavalas, ke’w se gnbist, ke’w te makout nou tout te fè erè, nou tout te dwe eksamine konsyans nou e fè mea culpa’n.
Pou mwen pi gwo erè ke swadizan dirijan nou yo te fè, seke yo pa’t bay yon amnisti jeneral aprè deblozay 2004 yo, e yo pa’t mete sou pye yon komisyon de verite e rekonsilyation.
An nou gade alavan pito, pou nou pa repete menm erè yo, an nou pale pito de fiti kandida yo, pale sou sa yo gen lan makout, kisa nou atand de yo.
Dilibon, Pale de sa Aristid te fè ki mal, de sa GNBiste yo te fè, se an ron n’ap tounen. Sa pa’p fè Ayiti fè yon pa avan. Li lè pou mete diferans nou dekote pou nou wè kijan nou ka amelyore peyi a. Nou dwe rekonèt ke nou tout te fè erè, ke’w sw lavalas, ke’w se gnbist, ke’w te makout nou tout te fè erè, nou tout te dwe eksamine konsyans nou e fè mea culpa’n.
Pou mwen pi gwo erè ke swadizan dirijan nou yo te fè, seke yo pa’t bay yon amnisti jeneral aprè deblozay 2004 yo, e yo pa’t mete sou pye yon komisyon de verite e rekonsilyation.
An nou gade alavan pito, pou nou pa repete menm erè yo, an nou pale pito de fiti kandida yo, pale sou sa yo gen lan makout, kisa nou atand de yo.
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AnaCreole a écrit:Colo, poukisa wou pa ka konsevwa ke gen ayisyen kip a pale kreyol byen. Se yon bagay ki ilojik kan nou konnen ke depi dikdantan ke se lanj ki te toujou genyen Ayiti, epwi tou sa’w va di pou ti ayisyen ki anglolofòn yo ki leve lan dyaspora ? Se pou nou konsistan, nou pa ka ap mande pou rekonèt dyaspora lè li lan avantaj nou epwi pou nou kont menm presip lè nou vle ekate yon lot. Nou gen dwa gen diferans nou, men nou pa kesyone ayisyente yon lot.
Wi, Ana, timoun ki fèt nan diaspora a, se yon ka espesial.
Ka mouche a diferan!
Se Ayiti mouche leve, se la li tap travay avan pèp la te chase li menm ak diktatè a!
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Se Ayiti mouche leve, se la li tap travay avan pèp la te chase li menm ak diktatè a!
Sa'w di a la se pa vre di tou, nou fo nan fè medizans sou on moun nou pa janm konen. Deza kite Ayiti a laj de 16 an, se o Etazini misye fini fè High School li, e ale ne inivèsite e pwan doktora li. Deza pa janm travay an Ayiti men ta renmen pwan retrèt li nan peyi li, ki vini pratikman inposib pou jan lavalas pase e detwi Ayiti. Lavalas la fo nan fè pwopagann ak difamasyon e di ninpot ki sa sou ninpot ki moun yo pa renmen sitou lè moun nan pa on mediok parey yo e ke yo pa ka fè li pwan matèg pou bè.
Sa'w di a la se pa vre di tou, nou fo nan fè medizans sou on moun nou pa janm konen. Deza kite Ayiti a laj de 16 an, se o Etazini misye fini fè High School li, e ale ne inivèsite e pwan doktora li. Deza pa janm travay an Ayiti men ta renmen pwan retrèt li nan peyi li, ki vini pratikman inposib pou jan lavalas pase e detwi Ayiti. Lavalas la fo nan fè pwopagann ak difamasyon e di ninpot ki sa sou ninpot ki moun yo pa renmen sitou lè moun nan pa on mediok parey yo e ke yo pa ka fè li pwan matèg pou bè.
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Maximo a écrit:Se Ayiti mouche leve, se la li tap travay avan pèp la te chase li menm ak diktatè a!
Sa'w di a la se pa vre di tou, nou fo nan fè medizans sou on moun nou pa janm konen. Deza kite Ayiti a laj de 16 an, se o Etazini misye fini fè High School li, e ale ne inivèsite e pwan doktora li. Deza pa janm travay an Ayiti men ta renmen pwan retrèt li nan peyi li, ki vini pratikman inposib pou jan lavalas pase e detwi Ayiti. Lavalas la fo nan fè pwopagann ak difamasyon e di ninpot ki sa sou ninpot ki moun yo pa renmen sitou lè moun nan pa on mediok parey yo e ke yo pa ka fè li pwan matèg pou bè.
Mwen kwè ou twompe!
Moun ki gen bon idantite mouche, enfome nou ke se mouche ki te bwa dwa diktatè a e se li ki te konnen prepare diskou pou li.
Epi, ak 16 zan, tout ti Ayisien konnen pale kreyol. Sa wap di konsa!
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Sispann vire an ron kou on toupi pou pa di anyen, sispann difame, Deza se on neg mwen konen mwen frekante, mwen kon sa'l vo e sa'l peze. Se difisil pou rankontre on gason kanson, on nèg dwat kanpe sou prinsip tankpu'l e ki rayi la mediokrite. Se on gason tout bon. On neg ke mwen fier pou rele li zanmi'm.
Tout ti Ayisyen pale kreyol a 16 an e mwen si misye pale kreyol pi bien pase'w, men epok sa yo pat konn montre nou ekri kreyol, men se pa fot ou, ou pa infome.
Tout ti Ayisyen pale kreyol a 16 an e mwen si misye pale kreyol pi bien pase'w, men epok sa yo pat konn montre nou ekri kreyol, men se pa fot ou, ou pa infome.
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Maximo a écrit:Sispann vire an ron kou on toupi pou pa di anyen, sispann difame, Deza se on neg mwen konen mwen frekante, mwen kon sa'l vo e sa'l peze. Se difisil pou rankontre on gason kanson, on nèg dwat kanpe sou prinsip tankpu'l e ki rayi la mediokrite. Se on gason tout bon. On neg ke mwen fier pou rele li zanmi'm.
De toutt fason,tout sa mwen menm pèsonèlman, mwen ka di ou de misie sèke li pa janm pale de lot bagay ke politik.
Moutre'm yon pos, sou nempot lot sit, kote mouche ap trete sijè tankou Environnement, Agriculture, Economie, elatriye...
Mwen poko wè sa a.
Politik se bagay fasil, se joure, se voye monte.
Se sak fè mouche ka enpresione ou!!!
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Po dyab ou, se li ou pa li ki fè ou ka di sa, mwen pa di'w sispann di sa'w pa konen, tout pawol ou a vini san valè, ya pwan tout sa'w di pou manti. Fè atansyon, ou pa kapab on moderatè pou ap di sak pa vre sou moun ou pa menm konen.
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Maximo a écrit:Po dyab ou, se li ou pa li ki fè ou ka di sa, mwen pa di'w sispann di sa'w pa konen, tout pawol ou a vini san valè, ya pwan tout sa'w di pou manti. Fè atansyon, ou pa kapab on moderatè pou ap di sak pa vre sou moun ou pa menm konen.
Mwen pa moderatè.
Poukisa ou pa ban mwen referans kote mouche ap trete sijè sa yo?
Li tap pi fasil wi!
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Wa fè on ti efo, nou renmen bagay two fasil twop.
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<LI class=dateStamp>AUGUST 2, 2009, 9:15 P.M. ET
What Haiti Can Teach Us About Honduras
After Clinton backed Aristide, key Democrats went into business with the Haitian.
In October 1994, President Bill Clinton used the U.S. military to force Haiti to take back former President Jean Bertrand Aristide, an intolerant populist who had been deposed in a coup three years earlier. The Haitian people didn’t fare well under the decade of Aristide tyranny and corruption following that U.S. intervention. But key Democrats, who secured contracts with the Haitian government, did.
This sad chapter in U.S. foreign policy is a reminder of the immortal words of the French statesman Charles Talleyrand: “Countries don’t have friends, they have interests.” The Clinton administration had interests in Haiti. And that fact is worth recalling as President Barack Obama, defying all logic, insists that Castro-ally Manuel Zelaya be restored to the presidency in Honduras.
The democratically elected Aristide took office in February 1991. When the national legislature considered a no-confidence vote against his prime minister, René Préval, in August, he called on his supporters to take to the streets. The mobs set property on fire and threatened members of the opposition. The Associated Press quoted the vice president of the Chamber of Deputies saying that many representatives were “afraid to sleep in their own homes.” After weeks of terror, Aristide was removed from office by the military and went into exile in Washington.
Haiti’s assets in the U.S. were frozen. But then-President George H. W. Bush released them to Aristide on the grounds that he was the legitimate president. The largest source of hard currency was the income to the telephone monopoly, Haiti Teleco, from U.S. carriers terminating phone traffic in the country. In the summer of 1994 Haiti’s legislature claimed it had proof that as of April 15, Aristide had drawn $49.9 million on the telephone account, which had originally contained $53 million.
Once restored to power, Aristide ruled Haiti for a decade, either as president or as the power behind the throne during the presidency of Mr. Préval. It wasn’t until he was chased out of the country a second time, in 2004, that Haitians were able to document that their government had been doing business in telecommunications with Americans who were close to Mr. Clinton.
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Supporters of Haiti's ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide hold up signs with images of him.
Haitians had been complaining to me since the late 1990s about the relationship between Haiti Teleco and a company called Fusion Telecommunications. They alleged that Fusion had ties to Joseph P. Kennedy II, a vociferous supporter of Aristide, and that instead of paying the official settlement rate that all U.S. carriers were supposed to pay, it was getting a special price. The company would not even acknowledge that it operated in Haiti. What I did learn at that time was that Fusion was run by former Democratic Party Finance Chairman Marvin Rosen. Mr. Kennedy was on the board. So too was Mr. Clinton’s former aide, Thomas “Mack” McLarty, and former Mississippi Democratic Gov. Ray Mabus.
The U.S.-Haiti telecom route is one of the busiest in the hemisphere. But weird things happened when I tried to learn about Fusion’s Haiti business.
Contracts with foreign monopolies are supposed to be public information at the Federal Communications Commission, but when I asked for the Haiti file I was told it had gone missing. The FCC asked companies for duplicate copies of contracts so it could recreate the public file. But Fusion went to court to keep me from seeing its agreement. I won that fight.
The Fusion contract shows that while the settlement rate for terminating calls to Haiti was 46 cents a minute, Fusion paid just 12 cents. When I saw the contract I immediately thought of how Haitian pleas for U.S. help during the decade of Aristide abuses went unheeded. Then I thought of Talleyrand.
The Honduran constitutional crisis is very different than the Haiti case, in that the Honduran military has never been in charge. When Mr. Zelaya was deported, the presidency was passed, as the constitution requires, to the president of Congress. Mr. Zelaya’s party is still governing the country.
Yet there are important lessons from Bill Clinton’s Haiti policy that hold for Honduras. One is that the U.S. is more than capable of misjudging a constitutional crisis and of backing the wrong guy. When it does, there is no guarantee it will rectify the problem.
Another lesson from Haiti is that a Caribbean despot can offer good terms to foreign investors. Since the Haiti episode Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez has conducted a courtship with Democrats too. He gives Mr. Kennedy’s Citizen’s Energy company cut-price home-heating oil that the former Massachusetts congressman distributes to the poor in order to polish the Democrats’ image. Never mind about Venezuelans suffering under chavismo.
This is something to keep in mind as the Obama administration proposes that the U.S. embargo on Cuba be modified so Americans can invest in its telecom sector. It’s not clear how those contracts will be awarded. Or what one would have to do to raise the odds of being considered in the running.
Write to O’Grady@wsj.com
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What Haiti Can Teach Us About Honduras
After Clinton backed Aristide, key Democrats went into business with the Haitian.
By MARY ANASTASIA O’GRADY
In October 1994, President Bill Clinton used the U.S. military to force Haiti to take back former President Jean Bertrand Aristide, an intolerant populist who had been deposed in a coup three years earlier. The Haitian people didn’t fare well under the decade of Aristide tyranny and corruption following that U.S. intervention. But key Democrats, who secured contracts with the Haitian government, did.
This sad chapter in U.S. foreign policy is a reminder of the immortal words of the French statesman Charles Talleyrand: “Countries don’t have friends, they have interests.” The Clinton administration had interests in Haiti. And that fact is worth recalling as President Barack Obama, defying all logic, insists that Castro-ally Manuel Zelaya be restored to the presidency in Honduras.
The democratically elected Aristide took office in February 1991. When the national legislature considered a no-confidence vote against his prime minister, René Préval, in August, he called on his supporters to take to the streets. The mobs set property on fire and threatened members of the opposition. The Associated Press quoted the vice president of the Chamber of Deputies saying that many representatives were “afraid to sleep in their own homes.” After weeks of terror, Aristide was removed from office by the military and went into exile in Washington.
Haiti’s assets in the U.S. were frozen. But then-President George H. W. Bush released them to Aristide on the grounds that he was the legitimate president. The largest source of hard currency was the income to the telephone monopoly, Haiti Teleco, from U.S. carriers terminating phone traffic in the country. In the summer of 1994 Haiti’s legislature claimed it had proof that as of April 15, Aristide had drawn $49.9 million on the telephone account, which had originally contained $53 million.
Once restored to power, Aristide ruled Haiti for a decade, either as president or as the power behind the throne during the presidency of Mr. Préval. It wasn’t until he was chased out of the country a second time, in 2004, that Haitians were able to document that their government had been doing business in telecommunications with Americans who were close to Mr. Clinton.
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Supporters of Haiti's ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide hold up signs with images of him.
Haitians had been complaining to me since the late 1990s about the relationship between Haiti Teleco and a company called Fusion Telecommunications. They alleged that Fusion had ties to Joseph P. Kennedy II, a vociferous supporter of Aristide, and that instead of paying the official settlement rate that all U.S. carriers were supposed to pay, it was getting a special price. The company would not even acknowledge that it operated in Haiti. What I did learn at that time was that Fusion was run by former Democratic Party Finance Chairman Marvin Rosen. Mr. Kennedy was on the board. So too was Mr. Clinton’s former aide, Thomas “Mack” McLarty, and former Mississippi Democratic Gov. Ray Mabus.
The U.S.-Haiti telecom route is one of the busiest in the hemisphere. But weird things happened when I tried to learn about Fusion’s Haiti business.
Contracts with foreign monopolies are supposed to be public information at the Federal Communications Commission, but when I asked for the Haiti file I was told it had gone missing. The FCC asked companies for duplicate copies of contracts so it could recreate the public file. But Fusion went to court to keep me from seeing its agreement. I won that fight.
The Fusion contract shows that while the settlement rate for terminating calls to Haiti was 46 cents a minute, Fusion paid just 12 cents. When I saw the contract I immediately thought of how Haitian pleas for U.S. help during the decade of Aristide abuses went unheeded. Then I thought of Talleyrand.
The Honduran constitutional crisis is very different than the Haiti case, in that the Honduran military has never been in charge. When Mr. Zelaya was deported, the presidency was passed, as the constitution requires, to the president of Congress. Mr. Zelaya’s party is still governing the country.
Yet there are important lessons from Bill Clinton’s Haiti policy that hold for Honduras. One is that the U.S. is more than capable of misjudging a constitutional crisis and of backing the wrong guy. When it does, there is no guarantee it will rectify the problem.
Another lesson from Haiti is that a Caribbean despot can offer good terms to foreign investors. Since the Haiti episode Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez has conducted a courtship with Democrats too. He gives Mr. Kennedy’s Citizen’s Energy company cut-price home-heating oil that the former Massachusetts congressman distributes to the poor in order to polish the Democrats’ image. Never mind about Venezuelans suffering under chavismo.
This is something to keep in mind as the Obama administration proposes that the U.S. embargo on Cuba be modified so Americans can invest in its telecom sector. It’s not clear how those contracts will be awarded. Or what one would have to do to raise the odds of being considered in the running.
Write to O’Grady@wsj.com
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Maximo a écrit:Wa fè on ti efo, nou renmen bagay two fasil twop.
De toutt fason, lè ou jwen yo, wa va pataje yo ak mwen.
Suiv bien, aktièlman, fowum sa a desann nan yon nivo kote ke tout sijè se batay LAVALAS-GNB.
Mwen asire ou, si ou remonte nan sak te konnen debatt avan wap wè kote ke de konnen gen deba sou Agriculture, Santé, Economie, Technologie, elatriye...
Suiv bien, opinion politik yon nounm pa pwoblem, se kijan ou prevwa pou atake pwoblem sosiete a.
Malerèzman, nou rate trenn yan e jan de deba sa yo pap posib anko.
Si se mwen ki te moderatè, mwen pa tap tolere plis ke yon sijè politik.
Fok Ayisien manyen konprann ke solision pwoblem yo teknik e non politik!
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Maximo a écrit:Po dyab ou, se li ou pa li ki fè ou ka di sa, mwen pa di'w sispann di sa'w pa konen, tout pawol ou a vini san valè, ya pwan tout sa'w di pou manti. Fè atansyon, ou pa kapab on moderatè pou ap di sak pa vre sou moun ou pa menm konen.
ou menm kap di sa?Epi maten an ou fe manti sou Antoinette gauthier?
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Moun ki gen bon idantite mouche, enfome nou ke se mouche ki te bwa dwa diktatè a e se li ki te konnen prepare diskou pou li.
Maximo,
Mwen pa kwe ke Colocolo fe manti, min pluto lap fe tripotaj, jouda pou gratis.
On ne doit pas repeter les "ont dits" sans verifier la veracite des faits.
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kami a écrit:Moun ki gen bon idantite mouche, enfome nou ke se mouche ki te bwa dwa diktatè a e se li ki te konnen prepare diskou pou li.
Maximo,
Mwen pa kwe ke Colocolo fe manti, min pluto lap fe tripotaj, jouda pou gratis.
On ne doit pas repeter les "ont dits" sans verifier la veracite des faits.
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Kami,
Si sous mwen an ta manti ou fo, mwen mande Monsieur Deza excuses.
Sepandan, mwen rete kwè mouche te asosie ak diktatè sa a.
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Colo,colocolo a écrit:kami a écrit:Moun ki gen bon idantite mouche, enfome nou ke se mouche ki te bwa dwa diktatè a e se li ki te konnen prepare diskou pou li.
Maximo,
Mwen pa kwe ke Colocolo fe manti, min pluto lap fe tripotaj, jouda pou gratis.
On ne doit pas repeter les "ont dits" sans verifier la veracite des faits.
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Kami,
Si sous mwen an ta manti ou fo, mwen mande Monsieur Deza excuses.
Sepandan, mwen rete kwè mouche te asosie ak diktatè sa a.
Juska prezan ou pa gin prev ke sous-w ap di ni la verite ni manti.
Mwen kinbe toujou ke sa yo di-w la se tripotaj paske ni sous ou an ni ou paka prouve anyin.
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kami a écrit:Colo,colocolo a écrit:kami a écrit:Moun ki gen bon idantite mouche, enfome nou ke se mouche ki te bwa dwa diktatè a e se li ki te konnen prepare diskou pou li.
Maximo,
Mwen pa kwe ke Colocolo fe manti, min pluto lap fe tripotaj, jouda pou gratis.
On ne doit pas repeter les "ont dits" sans verifier la veracite des faits.
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Kami,
Si sous mwen an ta manti ou fo, mwen mande Monsieur Deza excuses.
Sepandan, mwen rete kwè mouche te asosie ak diktatè sa a.
Juska prezan ou pa gin prev ke sous-w ap di ni la verite ni manti.
Mwen kinbe toujou ke sa yo di-w la se tripotaj paske ni sous ou an ni ou paka prouve anyin.
Sous pam dim ke mouche se an pantalet li te kouri sove.Se yon ti kannot ki te pran l bo Mariani.Se manje yo tap manje.Se pa pep la non?Moun ki te enmi lan rejim nan.
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Maximo a écrit:<LI class=dateStamp>AUGUST 2, 2009, 9:15 P.M. ET
What Haiti Can Teach Us About Honduras
After Clinton backed Aristide, key Democrats went into business with the Haitian.
By MARY ANASTASIA O’GRADY
In October 1994, President Bill Clinton used the U.S. military to force Haiti to take back former President Jean Bertrand Aristide, an intolerant populist who had been deposed in a coup three years earlier. The Haitian people didn’t fare well under the decade of Aristide tyranny and corruption following that U.S. intervention. But key Democrats, who secured contracts with the Haitian government, did.
This sad chapter in U.S. foreign policy is a reminder of the immortal words of the French statesman Charles Talleyrand: “Countries don’t have friends, they have interests.” The Clinton administration had interests in Haiti. And that fact is worth recalling as President Barack Obama, defying all logic, insists that Castro-ally Manuel Zelaya be restored to the presidency in Honduras.
The democratically elected Aristide took office in February 1991. When the national legislature considered a no-confidence vote against his prime minister, René Préval, in August, he called on his supporters to take to the streets. The mobs set property on fire and threatened members of the opposition. The Associated Press quoted the vice president of the Chamber of Deputies saying that many representatives were “afraid to sleep in their own homes.” After weeks of terror, Aristide was removed from office by the military and went into exile in Washington.
Haiti’s assets in the U.S. were frozen. But then-President George H. W. Bush released them to Aristide on the grounds that he was the legitimate president. The largest source of hard currency was the income to the telephone monopoly, Haiti Teleco, from U.S. carriers terminating phone traffic in the country. In the summer of 1994 Haiti’s legislature claimed it had proof that as of April 15, Aristide had drawn $49.9 million on the telephone account, which had originally contained $53 million.
Once restored to power, Aristide ruled Haiti for a decade, either as president or as the power behind the throne during the presidency of Mr. Préval. It wasn’t until he was chased out of the country a second time, in 2004, that Haitians were able to document that their government had been doing business in telecommunications with Americans who were close to Mr. Clinton.
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Supporters of Haiti's ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide hold up signs with images of him.
Haitians had been complaining to me since the late 1990s about the relationship between Haiti Teleco and a company called Fusion Telecommunications. They alleged that Fusion had ties to Joseph P. Kennedy II, a vociferous supporter of Aristide, and that instead of paying the official settlement rate that all U.S. carriers were supposed to pay, it was getting a special price. The company would not even acknowledge that it operated in Haiti. What I did learn at that time was that Fusion was run by former Democratic Party Finance Chairman Marvin Rosen. Mr. Kennedy was on the board. So too was Mr. Clinton’s former aide, Thomas “Mack” McLarty, and former Mississippi Democratic Gov. Ray Mabus.
The U.S.-Haiti telecom route is one of the busiest in the hemisphere. But weird things happened when I tried to learn about Fusion’s Haiti business.
Contracts with foreign monopolies are supposed to be public information at the Federal Communications Commission, but when I asked for the Haiti file I was told it had gone missing. The FCC asked companies for duplicate copies of contracts so it could recreate the public file. But Fusion went to court to keep me from seeing its agreement. I won that fight.
The Fusion contract shows that while the settlement rate for terminating calls to Haiti was 46 cents a minute, Fusion paid just 12 cents. When I saw the contract I immediately thought of how Haitian pleas for U.S. help during the decade of Aristide abuses went unheeded. Then I thought of Talleyrand.
The Honduran constitutional crisis is very different than the Haiti case, in that the Honduran military has never been in charge. When Mr. Zelaya was deported, the presidency was passed, as the constitution requires, to the president of Congress. Mr. Zelaya’s party is still governing the country.
Yet there are important lessons from Bill Clinton’s Haiti policy that hold for Honduras. One is that the U.S. is more than capable of misjudging a constitutional crisis and of backing the wrong guy. When it does, there is no guarantee it will rectify the problem.
Another lesson from Haiti is that a Caribbean despot can offer good terms to foreign investors. Since the Haiti episode Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez has conducted a courtship with Democrats too. He gives Mr. Kennedy’s Citizen’s Energy company cut-price home-heating oil that the former Massachusetts congressman distributes to the poor in order to polish the Democrats’ image. Never mind about Venezuelans suffering under chavismo.
This is something to keep in mind as the Obama administration proposes that the U.S. embargo on Cuba be modified so Americans can invest in its telecom sector. It’s not clear how those contracts will be awarded. Or what one would have to do to raise the odds of being considered in the running.
Write to O’Grady@wsj.com
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Mesye yo tounen ak atik Mary O Grady yo.Kounye an se lan dengonn ZELAYA li lage kò l.
Diferans lan sè ke atik manmzèl yo pa gen oken efè ankò ,paske se pa enbesil BUSH yo ki o pouvwa.
Men tou ,plis ça change...,DEMOCRACY NOW,rapòte ayè ke elit ekonomik ONDIRAS lan anboche ROGER NORIEGA pou fè lòbi pou yo.
O GRADY se ansyen manm DEMOCRACY PROJECT,mwen pa bezwen di plis .Sèl moun mesye ONDIRAS yo poko anboche se STANLEY LUCAS men tou kounye an mesyedam sa yo san pouvwa;administrasyon OBAMA a konsidere yo kòm pwazon!
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Le nou pa kapab dementi sak ekri yo, nou atake moun ki pote move nouvel yo! Kite mele moun kiles Anastasia OGrady ye? SI li fe menti rele li nan tribinal pou li ka rpeonn de menti li fe yo! Aristide genyen avoka ki pa nan nivo pway pay tankou nou ki ka rele jounal la ak jounalis la nan tribinal, si li pa fe sa se paske li jis pa kapab. Nan zafe Teleco genyen ameriken ki deja nan prizon pou krim yo nan asosyasyon malfekte ak Dyab nan Kafou Klesinn nan. Olye nou di wi se vre mouche rantre nan lign tout lot diktate san fwa ni lwa ki ranmase lajan peyi pou al sere deyo, nou prefere atake jounalis la se pa serye!
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dilibon a écrit:Le nou pa kapab dementi sak ekri yo, nou atake moun ki pote move nouvel yo! Kite mele moun kiles Anastasia OGrady ye? SI li fe menti rele li nan tribinal pou li ka rpeonn de menti li fe yo! Aristide genyen avoka ki pa nan nivo pway pay tankou nou ki ka rele jounal la ak jounalis la nan tribinal, si li pa fe sa se paske li jis pa kapab. Nan zafe Teleco genyen ameriken ki deja nan prizon pou krim yo nan asosyasyon malfekte ak Dyab nan Kafou Klesinn nan. Olye nou di wi se vre mouche rantre nan lign tout lot diktate san fwa ni lwa ki ranmase lajan peyi pou al sere deyo, nou prefere atake jounalis la se pa serye!
Dilibon,
Taktik sa yo, se taktik lavasyen kòryas yo menm. Yo pa ka demanti, men yo bezwen avili.
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Landiskisyon sa yo ,mwen konnen se wòch m ap voye pou konble lan mè.
Gen anpil bagay O'Grady te konn di ,ke yo jwenn se manti .Manmzèl te pale de yon avoka lan Zil Tik ke ou swa li te sere lajan pou Aristide ,ou swa li te ajan lan bagay Teleco;misye te reponn ke li pa menm konnen Aristide e li pa konnen de kisa O'Grady t ap pale.
Kanta akizasyon kont fanmi Kennedy yo,nou wè fanmi an okipe manmzèl?
O'Grady lè l ap fè akizasyon sa yo ,se yon sèl wòch l ap voye pou l kase 2 tèt.
O'Grady se lan ekstrèm dwat Repibliken an li ye ,ki an pèt de vitès.
Mesyedam sa yo menase pou yo lan dezè an ,menm jan ak koudetayis ayisyen yo,tout plim,tout plimaj.
Nou gen dwa wè sa k ap pase lan meeting kongrèsmen Demokrat yo ,lè ekstrèm dwat lan ap mete moun lan otobis pou al kreye tapaj lan "town meeting" yo.
Se noumenm ki ap bay O'Grady enpòtans ,odyans manmzèl lan se lan ekstrèm dwat lan e e ekout mesyedam sa yo ap diminye de pliz an pli
Gen anpil bagay O'Grady te konn di ,ke yo jwenn se manti .Manmzèl te pale de yon avoka lan Zil Tik ke ou swa li te sere lajan pou Aristide ,ou swa li te ajan lan bagay Teleco;misye te reponn ke li pa menm konnen Aristide e li pa konnen de kisa O'Grady t ap pale.
Kanta akizasyon kont fanmi Kennedy yo,nou wè fanmi an okipe manmzèl?
O'Grady lè l ap fè akizasyon sa yo ,se yon sèl wòch l ap voye pou l kase 2 tèt.
O'Grady se lan ekstrèm dwat Repibliken an li ye ,ki an pèt de vitès.
Mesyedam sa yo menase pou yo lan dezè an ,menm jan ak koudetayis ayisyen yo,tout plim,tout plimaj.
Nou gen dwa wè sa k ap pase lan meeting kongrèsmen Demokrat yo ,lè ekstrèm dwat lan ap mete moun lan otobis pou al kreye tapaj lan "town meeting" yo.
Se noumenm ki ap bay O'Grady enpòtans ,odyans manmzèl lan se lan ekstrèm dwat lan e e ekout mesyedam sa yo ap diminye de pliz an pli
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Si se vre sa'w di la se jodi yo tap fè'l fèmen bouch li e atake'l an jistis pou difamasyon, tout sa di la ya pa kanpe sou anyen ke selman sou on opinyon pèsonel bieze.
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TCHIIIIIIIIIIIIP
On konn peyi Etazini vre.Nou konnen se fasil yo asiyen moun pou difamasyon lan peyi isit?
Yo kenbe ayè ,lòbi konpayi asirans yo ki ap voye lèt ak fo antèt bay kongrèsmann yo ,ou wè ke yo asiyen yo?
Mwen pa konnen si w ap swiv mesyedam ekstrèm dwat yo ki plede ap di ke OBAMA pa t fèt sou teritwa ameriken ,yo di ke batistè an se yon fo.
Ou wè ke Obama rele yo an jistis?
Pale de sa w konnen.
RUPERT MURDOCH mèt konpayi ki pibliye WSJ voye yon memo bay mounki ap travay pou li yo ,pou yo mete dlo lan diven yo.
Atik lan pibliye lan New York Times ,samdi pase .Misye di tout voye monte anplwaye lan medya li yo ap fè kont administrasyon OBAMA ak zòt ka mete enterè konpayi l lan an danje ,paske mesye demokrat yo gen jan pou yo fè repondong.
Epitou si w kwè ke yo ka asiyen moun konsa .Tout bagay ke New York Times ak SALON Magazine te ekri sou koudeta 2004 lan se dwe verite ;paske e Stanley Lucas,e Roger Noriega elatriye pa t asiyen jounal sa yo!
M ale!
On konn peyi Etazini vre.Nou konnen se fasil yo asiyen moun pou difamasyon lan peyi isit?
Yo kenbe ayè ,lòbi konpayi asirans yo ki ap voye lèt ak fo antèt bay kongrèsmann yo ,ou wè ke yo asiyen yo?
Mwen pa konnen si w ap swiv mesyedam ekstrèm dwat yo ki plede ap di ke OBAMA pa t fèt sou teritwa ameriken ,yo di ke batistè an se yon fo.
Ou wè ke Obama rele yo an jistis?
Pale de sa w konnen.
RUPERT MURDOCH mèt konpayi ki pibliye WSJ voye yon memo bay mounki ap travay pou li yo ,pou yo mete dlo lan diven yo.
Atik lan pibliye lan New York Times ,samdi pase .Misye di tout voye monte anplwaye lan medya li yo ap fè kont administrasyon OBAMA ak zòt ka mete enterè konpayi l lan an danje ,paske mesye demokrat yo gen jan pou yo fè repondong.
Epitou si w kwè ke yo ka asiyen moun konsa .Tout bagay ke New York Times ak SALON Magazine te ekri sou koudeta 2004 lan se dwe verite ;paske e Stanley Lucas,e Roger Noriega elatriye pa t asiyen jounal sa yo!
M ale!
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Premwièman sa twipppp ou an vini cheche la?
2e O Etazini se kote yo asiyen moun pou ti krik ti krak, te gen ankèt ki te al fèt sou afè Obama ki te prouve klèman ke Obama se bon jan sitwayen ameriken li ye, aloske an Ayiti moun ki nan menm ka avek li nou pa vle aksepte yo kom sitwayen Ayisyen. Kounye ya se chwa Obama pou li fè sa li vle, eske sa te fè'l di to? Ki to li fè'l? E si li vle asiyen la asiyen.
Eseye pale an moun de byen avè'm pou mwen ka réponn ou menm jan, paske mache kwabosal la mwen konen li tou.
2e O Etazini se kote yo asiyen moun pou ti krik ti krak, te gen ankèt ki te al fèt sou afè Obama ki te prouve klèman ke Obama se bon jan sitwayen ameriken li ye, aloske an Ayiti moun ki nan menm ka avek li nou pa vle aksepte yo kom sitwayen Ayisyen. Kounye ya se chwa Obama pou li fè sa li vle, eske sa te fè'l di to? Ki to li fè'l? E si li vle asiyen la asiyen.
Eseye pale an moun de byen avè'm pou mwen ka réponn ou menm jan, paske mache kwabosal la mwen konen li tou.
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Maximo,
Pa pwan nan pwovokasyon! Ou konn teknik deba sa yo, kote moun nan pa genyen agiman solid, ni sous pou dementi, li paret ak kek pawol tou fet epi ak youn seri de mo asid ki pou chanje deba fe ou tonbe arebo deba! Nou genyen agiman pase yo, nou genyen agiman ki genyen fos. Nan peyi ameriken pa genyen moun ki ka dim ke yo ka atake fanmi kennedy ak Clinton ki se powerhouses. Ale cheche konnen sak rele fanmi kise powerhouses nan we. Pou youn jounalis ta fe menti epi pou yo ta kite sa pase konsa! Pa gen sa menm.
Genyen lel dwat la, fringe groups nan pati konsevate ki nan pati repibliken kap ranse apre ke yo pedi denye eleksyon an. Kom sa pa toushe Obama pesonelman, kom li sere pawol sa yo pou li ka fe pwopagann pi devna li pa di anyen. MEn kom nou ka we nan nouvle jodya ke Axelrod anonse les couleurs ke gouvenman Obama pral reponn yo e pwal mande pou pati repibliken detache de moun kap ranse e si yo kontinye ap di bagay ki ap kanpe sou nayen li ka rele yo nan tribinal. Se sak fe ou we ke menm Rupert Murdock ap mande tout moun mete dlo nan diven yo!
AP kouri cite Noriega ak Stanley Lucas kom paravan, se rans. Paret ak agiman pou dementi jounalis la ak tout lot jounalis ki bay nimewo kont an bak Aristid ak pret nom li, yo mete foto kofrefo msie, e estime riches msie. Se pa vinn rele anmwe se vini ak dementi fomel ke Aristid pa rich sou do ti pep li tap defann nan!
Gen moun kap di bliye sa, c'est du passe, sa pap ede nou vanse. Mwen di rans fok nou responsabilize tout moun ki pase yo, menm si pi devan nou ka deside padonenn, men fok nou konnen la verite a pou li ap rekomanse anko! Tout vole se vole! Tout avandra se avadra, tout tret a la patri se tret a la patri kit se lavals ou byen GNBis!
Pa pwan nan pwovokasyon! Ou konn teknik deba sa yo, kote moun nan pa genyen agiman solid, ni sous pou dementi, li paret ak kek pawol tou fet epi ak youn seri de mo asid ki pou chanje deba fe ou tonbe arebo deba! Nou genyen agiman pase yo, nou genyen agiman ki genyen fos. Nan peyi ameriken pa genyen moun ki ka dim ke yo ka atake fanmi kennedy ak Clinton ki se powerhouses. Ale cheche konnen sak rele fanmi kise powerhouses nan we. Pou youn jounalis ta fe menti epi pou yo ta kite sa pase konsa! Pa gen sa menm.
Genyen lel dwat la, fringe groups nan pati konsevate ki nan pati repibliken kap ranse apre ke yo pedi denye eleksyon an. Kom sa pa toushe Obama pesonelman, kom li sere pawol sa yo pou li ka fe pwopagann pi devna li pa di anyen. MEn kom nou ka we nan nouvle jodya ke Axelrod anonse les couleurs ke gouvenman Obama pral reponn yo e pwal mande pou pati repibliken detache de moun kap ranse e si yo kontinye ap di bagay ki ap kanpe sou nayen li ka rele yo nan tribinal. Se sak fe ou we ke menm Rupert Murdock ap mande tout moun mete dlo nan diven yo!
AP kouri cite Noriega ak Stanley Lucas kom paravan, se rans. Paret ak agiman pou dementi jounalis la ak tout lot jounalis ki bay nimewo kont an bak Aristid ak pret nom li, yo mete foto kofrefo msie, e estime riches msie. Se pa vinn rele anmwe se vini ak dementi fomel ke Aristid pa rich sou do ti pep li tap defann nan!
Gen moun kap di bliye sa, c'est du passe, sa pap ede nou vanse. Mwen di rans fok nou responsabilize tout moun ki pase yo, menm si pi devan nou ka deside padonenn, men fok nou konnen la verite a pou li ap rekomanse anko! Tout vole se vole! Tout avandra se avadra, tout tret a la patri se tret a la patri kit se lavals ou byen GNBis!
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