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La dérive antidémocratique du Conseil Electoral Provisoire Haitien

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Message  Marc H Ven 27 Nov 2009 - 11:32

Rappel du premier message :

Quand le CEP fait de la petite politique

Tout le monde en Haïti ou presque a fait le constat ces derniers jours que la décision du CEP d'éliminer Fanmi Lavalas aux élections de février est anti-démocratique. Le gouvernement non plus n'est pas innocent . Le silence du chef du gouvernement est inquiétant. Il m'apparait important de dénoncer les comportements politiques du président du CEP. Ce dernier ne s'est pas acquitté honorablement de sa responsabilité de justice et d'équité . Il s'est discrédité lamentablement par sa maladresse et par son manque de jugement dans le processus d’inscription des partis politiques aux élections de février 2010.

Coup de force du CEP

Il faut défendre les principes démocratiques même si on ne supporte pas les candidats de Fanmi Lavalas. Il faut se mobiliser, et mobiliser, contre ce coup de force du CEP d'écarter 15 partis politiques aux joutes de février 2010.

Autrement dit, le CEP ne doit pas devenir un instrument d'un groupe . Je crois important de bloquer la voie du pouvoir dictatorial à un conseil électoral Provisoire qui a raté son objectif d'organiser des élections libres et démocratiques. Il est à espérer que le peuple saura dire non à cette entreprise de manipulation électorale anticipée avec probablement la complicité très active des responsables de l'état. D’emblée, on peut dire que le CEP justifiait ses arguments par sa crainte que les partis politiques écartés feraient élire une majorité d'élus aux élections du 28 février 2010. Dans ce contexte , l'approche du CEP illustre bien cette peur . D’ailleurs, le discours du président du CEP dans ce dossier est tout à la fois le récit d’un homme angoissé et l’illustration magistrale d’un projet politique obscur...

Tous les démocrates haïtiens ont pu constater la partialité du CEP dans le processus électoral. C’est pourquoi cette dérive anti-démocratique doit s'arrêter la. Il n'est pas dans l'intérêt d'Haïti que les élections se fassent dans l'intimidation, le rejet et dans l' iniquité. Il est encore temps que le CEP reconnaisse qu'il a mal agi et abandonne sa tentative antidémocratique. Il est encore temps que le gouvernement se déclare prêt à accepter le verdict démocratique en intégrant tous les partis politiques dans le processus électoral, et à s’engager clairement pour la stabilisation politique d'Haïti .
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Message  Marc H Dim 29 Nov 2009 - 12:56

Un très bon débat et je profite de ce débat pour rappeler à Joel que les gens qui sont contre Aristide ne sont pas des ... C'est leur droit de critiquer un ancien président qui n'a pas bien assumé ses responsabilités politiques. D'emblée, je continue à dire qu'il ne faut pas seulement blamer le CEP mais il faut surtout dénoncer la mise de l'ancien Président sur Fanmi Lavalas. Bref, je pense Jean Bertrand que Aristide refuse de jouer le jeu de la démocratie dans son parti , à savoir une course au leadership à tous les quatre ans.
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Message  Joel Dim 29 Nov 2009 - 13:20

Sasinaj Lincoln ,Mc Kinley ou buen Kennedy ,pa t koudeta.
Se la m ap rete ,paske mwen si e sèten ke w pa konnen plis sou zafè sa a ke mwen,san m pa bezwen fè dyòlè.

Epitou lè w ap di ke gen moun lan fanmi w Aristide asasinen;ki moun sa yo;ou konnen byen ke se manti w ap fè e pi fò moun sou sit sa a reyalize sa.

Marc,
pa vin di gen deba ;pa gen deba e pa vin jwe "tanbou de bounda"

Se tan kou yè mwen t ap tande sou Radyo Kiskeya Lilyàn Pyè Pòl ki ap pale de antèn radyo mesye Lavalas yo te kraze.

Li konnen byen se manti li t ap bay ,paske meye Gi Filip ak Chanblen yo ki te komèt zàk lan ,te revandike l.

Sa pa anyen nouvo lan taktik fachis yo;tankou nazi yo te atake yon radyo alman ;yo di se Tchèk yo ki te fè l pou yo sa gen eskiz pou yo anvayi Tchekoslovaki.
Menm jan CIA te fè yo kraze yon antèn yon radyo lan Chili pou bay eskiz pou koudeta kont ALLENDE an.

Tout fachis genyen menm langaj ,mesye Lavalas yo pa t touye moun lan fanmi MAXIMO vre!

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Message  dilibon Dim 29 Nov 2009 - 13:39

Maximo! Kanpe la! Kite ti Joel radote tout tan li vle ou pa genyen anyen pou w pwouve msie. Menm si msie ta jwenn Aristide sou vant manman li , lap mande manman li koman li fe pat gouye? Se li ki anto paske li pat femen janm li! Se li kite abiye two kle epi tou se youn one ke li reyisi jwenn youn bon neg tankou Aristide chwazi pou devantre li! Neg sa yo ou pap genyen yo tout tan yo ap vomi soup chyen Aristide te ba yo bwe nan lakou palais le li te resevwa kom pov!

Aristide te lage youn seri de "ti mesyeu" nan lari a ki tap bloke mashin, fouye mashinn, fouye tout moun, brase dwet nan deye ak nan boubounn fanm, tire yo si yo jije necese epi Joel dan chinwa, dan bonbon pwal di se menti se bay Aristide kominyon san konfese! Neg konsa menm kreshe mwen two presye poum ta voye nan figi yo, fok yo ta ale lave figi yo anvan!


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Message  Maximo Dim 29 Nov 2009 - 13:39

Joel a écrit:Sasinaj Lincoln ,Mc Kinley ou buen Kennedy ,pa t koudeta.
Se la m ap rete ,paske mwen si e sèten ke w pa konnen plis sou zafè sa a ke mwen,san m pa bezwen fè dyòlè.

Epitou lè w ap di ke gen moun lan fanmi w Aristide asasinen;ki moun sa yo;ou konnen byen ke se manti w ap fè e pi fò moun sou sit sa a reyalize sa.

Marc,
pa vin di gen deba ;pa gen deba e pa vin jwe "tanbou de bounda"

Se tan kou yè mwen t ap tande sou Radyo Kiskeya Lilyàn Pyè Pòl ki ap pale de antèn radyo mesye Lavalas yo te kraze.

Li konnen byen se manti li t ap bay ,paske meye Gi Filip ak Chanblen yo ki te komèt zàk lan ,te revandike l.

Sa pa anyen nouvo lan taktik fachis yo;tankou nazi yo te atake yon radyo alman ;yo di se Tchèk yo ki te fè l pou yo sa gen eskiz pou yo anvayi Tchekoslovaki.
Menm jan CIA te fè yo kraze yon antèn yon radyo lan Chili pou bay eskiz pou koudeta kont ALLENDE an.

Tout fachis genyen menm langaj ,mesye Lavalas yo pa t touye moun lan fanmi MAXIMO vre!

Joel ou se on fanatik, nou pa bezwen kontinye diskite, ou invante sa'w vle, pou defann Aristide pa menm pati Lavalas la paske pati ya pa interese'w, demen Aristide a fè on nouvo pati "Aristide a vi" se dèyè'l wap kanpe. Mwen byen kontan jan'w pale ya, ou demistifye tèt ou pou kont ou, e tout moun wè ki kalite fanatik avèg ou ye. Mwen pa janm di mwen konen pase'w, mwen pa ka jije konesans mwen, se moun ki pou jije'm e jije sa mwen di yo, se pa konvenk map cheche konvenk ou, men pito ouvè je lektè forum Ayiti yo e bayo on chwa sou sa lavalasyen ap di e sa lot moun ki pa fanatik lavalas ap di, e lektè ForumHaiti yo ase intelijan pou yo fè chwa yo. Depi on moun pa dako ak Aristide e Lavalas, ou deja pa vle wè'l, gade ki jan ou reponn Marc ki vini di jan li apresye deba sa, e gade jan'w reponn li? Eske ou se on moun ki vle verite blayi ou byen on moun ki vle pase mesaj pwopagann li? Marc ase gwan pou li fè analyz li pou kont li e wè kote verite ya ye menm jan ak lektè ForumHaiti e ase gwan pou defann tèt li kont tout lavalasyen ki pa vle wè li pou kwayans li. Jijman nan men moun kap li yo. Mwen si ke fanatik menm jan avek ou ap sètènman apiye sa wap di yo, men mwen sèten ke tout moun ki gen on sètenn matirite de jijman e ki pa avèg konen kote verite ya ye. Mwen byen kontan ou pale konsa pou yo ka wè pi byen kote'w chita.
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Message  dilibon Dim 29 Nov 2009 - 13:55

Read for you! It is not from ME!

The Charges against Jean Bertrand Aristide

1- Killing of innocent citizens

Jean Bertrand Aristide, is accused of using gangs of hired bandits named chimers to harass, harm, and killed innocent citizens who opposed or demonstrate against his ruling practice. This practice strangely enough has started even before Jean Bertrand Aristide was inaugurated. On January 7th 1991, one month after he was elected and a month before his inauguration, Aristide launched a Pleiades of bandits to destroy, kill and burn live, alleged opposition members.

The pretext was the failed coup d’etat by Dr. Roger Lafontant. Learned investigators should have than initiate the process of indictment of Jean Bertrand Arisitide for personally orchestrate this mayhem. The license to use at will this extrajudicial means of enforcement will remain the hallmark of the Haitian President during his almost fifteen years old reign. The list of opposition members killed or ordered executed without judicial process by Jean Bertrand Arisitide is so long that only the most notorious ones will be presented in this document : Mireille Durocher Bertin, Guy Malary, Father Jean Marie Vincent, Congressman Jean Herbert Feuille, Eugene Baillergeau Jr. Pastor Antoine Leroy, Jacques Florival, Attorney Michel Gonzalez, policewoman Marie Christine Jeune, Benson Joseph, Eddy Abrouet, Gabry Obas, Mehu Garcon, Congressman Emilio Passe, Police Inspector Berthony Bazile, Father Jean Pierre Louis, Inspector Ricelin Dormeus, General Max Mayard,Captain Jacky Myton, Amos Jeannot, Congressman Erick Lamothe, Dr. Guirand, Dr, Carrenar, Mrs. Pierre Dorsainville, Ferdinand Dorvil, Policeman Jean Leonard, Bidmarck Milsaint, Prophete Jean Julien, Colonel Michel Ange Herman, Lieutenant Marc Claude Beauvill Ocean, Fedeus Desir, Fabien Joseph, Gabot Brunet, Policeman Chery Berthony, Student Emmanuel Louis Charles, Jean Wilner Lalanne, Jean L Dominique, Dr. Jimmy Lalanne, Senator Jean Yvon Toussaint, Colonel Jean Lamy, Michel Ange Philistin,Mrs. Jean Coulanges, Claude Louissant, Carmen Carseus, Amiot Metayer.

2- Transshipping of Cocaine towards the United States

- Jean Bertrand Aristide has used the power and the resources of the State to transform Haiti into a transshipment halfway house for the illegal ferrying of cocaine towards the United States. Countless numbers of his associates have been indicted, imprisoned and sentenced by the United States Justice Department. They have all pointed the finger towards Aristide has the main culprit and the principal beneficiary of the Haitian drug transaction. The most recent convicted accomplice Jacques Ketant is so closed to him that he is the Godfather of his daughter. Numerous Haitian police officers and judicial authorities have complained, choose the exile and informed the press and the American investigative bodies of the pressure exercised by Tabarre (the personal residence of the government ) to compromise the judicial process on behalf of the co-defendants in the prosecution of known drug dealers.

3-Defrauding the Credit Union and the banking system

Jean Bertrand Aristide in connivance with the principals of a chain of Credit Unions have invaded the assets of those institutions for their personal benefit and as such have wiped out the savings of large numbers of small Haitian depositors. To lure the creditors the gang of bandits have created a Ponzi scheme where by the depositors would receive a high interest ab initio for their deposits. In the end the fraud was unmasked; the house of cards fell on its knee creating a new class of claimants. In spite of recriminations and demonstration, no judicial investigation has been conducted to put on trial and punish the perpetrators of this financial debacle.

4- Using the mass (a gang of hooligans also known as chimers) as a weapon of
destruction upon the opposition members.

Jean Bertrand Aristide has found that the best way to evade personal responsibility for his criminal actions is to use a gang of unemployed and homeless Haitian citizens to harass, beat and killed opposition members. Jean Bertrand Aristide has the indecency of using children as gang members; those bandits hired for a day are ready to commit any crime for the price of a meal. They commit arson upon the businesses of opposition members, they destroy the locals of opposition parties and they burn public buildings with compromising documentation. One of those gang members (Amiot Metayer) had recently turned against him, revealing the many criminal adventures that he has participated in, on behalf of the government. He was summary executed by order of the government.

This gang of bandits is used to break with violence, public demonstration against the government. They used all the tools at their disposal, rocks, syringe infected with bacteria, whip, and guns. The University students are the last recipients of their wrath. Even the President of the University, Dr Jean Marie Paquiot was not protected. His legs were broken by a group of bandits at the behest of the government. He is now receiving medical treatment at a Hospital in New Orleans, Louisiana. Most recently on behest of the government, this gang of bandits went into a rampage upon the antennas of most of the independent radio stations, silencing the voice of the opposition.

5- Looting the international fund donated to the people of Haiti.

Since the beginning of his inauguration, Jean Bertrand Aristide has seen the Haitian treasury as his personal bank account. The Taiwan government gave Haiti a check for 20 millions us dollars for the construction of a highway leading to the South of Haiti. The check was transferred into the Arisitide Foundation, the preferred tool for money laundering by the government. No highway was constructed. Since then all or most donations to the people of Haiti has been either transferred to Aristide personal bank account or used by a coterie of catholic priests and lobbyist for political activities. The corruption is so rampant that the American Government through the USAID has refused to provide money directly to the Haitian government for infrastructure or health projects.

6- Compromising the political ethic of the United States of America

Jean Bertrand Aristide was returned into power by former President Bill Clinton at a cost of 3 billions US dollars. In return Aristide is so embedded into the Democrat political apparatus that prominent members of the US Democratic Party are personal business associates of Jean Bertrand Aristide. The lucrative wireless business is owned by Mildred Aristide and the brother of Senator Hillary Clinton. The Congressional Black Caucus in general, the dean of the Caucus, Congressman John Conyers is a quasi lobbyist institution. On behalf of Jean Bertrand Aristide under the disguise of helping the Haitian people. The wife of prominent activists such as Randall Robinson the former President of TransAfrica is on the payroll of Aristide as a lobbyist.

In addition prominent American attorneys such as Michael Ratner and Ira Kusdband are not only personal legal counsels to Aristide but are engage in the shaping and the marketing of the criminal enterprise conducted by the Haitian government. We all know the pitfalls of the Bush – Gore debacle in the Florida election, but what we fail to know is that Jean Bertrand Aristide had unleashed an army of fraudulent electors to put ballots on behalf of the Democratic candidate in order to defeat by any means the Republican candidate. The scheme was repeated to no avail in the local Florida election in trying to defeat the election of Jeb Bush as Governor of the State of Florida.

7-Engaging into cannibalistic and diabolic practice, for the purpose of gaining and remaining into power.

Jean Bertrand Aristide was sanctioned and released from sacerdotal practice because he was found to be using diabolic and cannibalistic practice such as the killing of new born and using their blood for the consecration of black mass. He was called by Rome to explain this practice. Using the populist political machine, he has been able to silence not only the Haitian Episcopate but has received the accolade from the Roman Church as an associate in the expansion of the mission of the Catholic Church in Haiti. Bishop Guire Poulard of Jacmel might have been the lone official with a strong dissenting voice in this conspiracy which is fatal not only for Haiti but for the Catholic Church in general.

8- Using banditos and gangsters as a modus operandi of governance

Jean Bertrand Aristide at the very beginning of his mandate conceives the idea of recruiting a corps of young men and women who will serve as political security attaches. He failed to introduce the concept into the Parliament for proper funding. After three months of service without pay, he unleashed the corps to use the gangsters upon the civil society as a means of retribution. Later that method has been extended to a coterie of loyal legislators, policemen and political appointees. They practiced kidnapping for ransom, without fear of being prosecuted. Theyserve as conduit to divert custom payments from the Haitian treasury into designated accounts.

Lately Jean Bertrand Aristide has instructed his followers to practice car hijacking and use the cars of peaceful citizens as a get away in the looting of supermarkets in the capital. This practice has also been used on Haitian returnees from abroad on their way from and to the national airport.

9- Ignoring and ruling with no respect for and no regard to the Haitian Constitution.

While this abuse is a political one in nature, Jean Bertrand Aristide has governed with no respect to and no regard for the Haitian Constitution. Again this disrespect was demonstrated since the very beginning of his mandate. He disbanded the Haitian army without a constitutional referendum. He interfered with the political neutrality of the Haitian police in forcing the appointment of gang related operatives to the police high command. He fired competent jurists and subjected the judicial process to political intervention to the point that lawyers, judges and investigative officers have no means and no authority to practice even with a minimum of standard of justice in Haiti. Last he operates on the concept of class warfare asking the poor to invade the assets of the rich by any means necessary dividing further the Haitian family. To prevent his removal he has orchestrated the mechanism for the killing of at least one million Haitians a figure given by Mario Dupuy, his spokesperson a la former Iraqi Minister of Interior.

Aristide is orchestrating the perfect scenario for Genocide a la Rwanda in Haiti. He is using an historical grievance (the colonial debt owed by France to the Republic of Haiti) while pumping up an oppressed majority into a machine of death. It is” them”: (the bourgeois, the elite) against “us” Sad the mass).The only salvation is to kill them all.

10- Defrauding the international community in contractual agreements.

Jean Bertrand Aristide has perfected at its best one of the tenets of the Liberation Theology doctrine to wit : lie as much as you can, while promising to deliver as much as you have been ask for, from international or ruling institutions. As such Aristide has been a master in the practice of deception. He has fooled the United Nations, the Organization of American States, Caricom, and the European Union and in his own words Colin Powell the American Secretary of State.

To the OAS, he has promised after more than thirty negotiating trips to respect the resolutions CP/ 822, CP/806.and AG/1959. The contractual agreements called for affirmative actions in controlling the insecurity, the impunity, and the arming of operatives on behalf of the government. While Aristide professes a policy of love, fraternity and cooperation for the international audience, he uses a gang of bandits with the resource and the material of state institutions to harass, intimidate and kill opposition members. He personally deputizes gang chiefs who recruit operatives from the slum areas for criminal activities. In the end Aristide has developed a vicious and infectious relationship with the international community. While professing respect for and adherence to international principles of human rights and to conciliation, he relishes into the squalid condition of drug trafficking, killing, retribution and corruption.

We, the opposition members are aware that we have been living into a de-facto apartheid system where the majority of the population (85%) that live in the rural counties of Haiti have no running water, no schools, no roads, no electricity , no security for the last two hundred years ( 200). Yet this is not a reason to accept the dicta of a demagogic leader who kidnapped the concept of nationhood to satisfy his venal desire to enrich himself and his operatives while leaving the mass worst off than before.

We pledge to work on creating the Haitian nation, a place with a shared vision of the future. We will assume our responsibilities in promoting an affirmative action on behalf of Rural Haiti. We will forgo our immediate needs to care for those who live in the shantytowns and the rural areas so their children will have good schools, a functioning health clinic, and support and skills towards job and employment. The 2004 Haiti will be as bold as human, and as democratic as the Haiti of 1804.

May you bring in your share and contribution in the making of this dream?

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Message  Marc H Dim 29 Nov 2009 - 20:46

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Mon texte n'est pas tout à vrai ni tout à fait faux. Il est vrai que JBA n'est pas sérieux dans ses démarches pour faciliter l’inscription du parti Fanmi Lavalas aux élections de février 2010 mais il pourrait être aussi vrai qu'une main invisible ne veut pas voir la main de l’ancien président dans les affaires de l'état. Mais il faut reconnaitre que ce jeu se joue à plusieurs.
D'un coté la communauté internationale joue sa partition, d'un autre coté Préval s'impose sur la scène comme un leader redoutable dans le sens créole du terme et enfin les pleurnichards lavalassiens. Entre ces trois protagonistes, c'est le peuple qui meurt de faim. C'est Haïti qui devient de plus en plus pauvre.
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Message  Invité Dim 29 Nov 2009 - 21:27

Men lòt lan vini ak yon zafè de rivalite de Pakistan ak Lend.(sepa sam di,kretin)

(Par cosequent ?)

Ekonomi Lend lan genyen pou l depase pa Etazini an ,yo prevwa ant 30 a 40 an konsa.

Se mond lan ki ap tounen jan li te ye lan 14zyèm ou byen 15zyèm syèk.

Refere nou ak diskou ke TONY BLAIR te pwononse 1 an anvan li te bay demisyon
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Mezanmi se konsa intelektyoul rate lavalass yo rasanble moso lide tout patou kote yo passe !Yap rakomode kole pyese yo pou bay yon opinyon tettanba ? Zanmi a gin rezon di kite lavalass yo pale paske pliss yopale pliss yo desan kanson yo .

Mezanmi gade yon reponss yon neg bay apropo yon evenman istorik ke mwin mansyone . Eske tett li byen ? Afe "stream of consciousness " gin le pa ekziste kay neg sa a .Epi nou ta vle poum konsidere yon neg tett kokolo konsa a ak tout zonbi parey li yo kom moun ki egal ak mwin sou lechel evolisyon an . Pagin sa menm !

Sepou li rete sans malice lan ti kwin mediokrite li a kote lika brye tankou yon pierre presyez pami lez aveg.

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