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An nou gade kijan sosyete Brezilyen an menmjan ak sosyete Ayisyen an
Brezil ap pran anpil fòs lan geyopolitik kontinan Ameriken an e lan lemond an jeneral.
Li genyen yon gwo prezans lan sosyete ak politik Ayiti.
Se brezilyen ki gen plis solda lan Minista e se yo ki alatèt tout militè lan fos okipasyon saa.
Kidonk yo genyen yon gwo enfliyans lan aktivite sosyal e politik peyi nou an.
Li sanble ya p etabli anpil komès lan peyi a tou epi yo deja genyen yon tete lang avèk
ayisyen lan fenomèn foutbol lan ki tankou yon relijyon lan de peyi sa yo.
Anplis, kom nou deja ap gade ki relation ke tou de peyi sayo genyen istorikman e
kijan lang nou devlope e evolye lan kontèks esklavaj zansèt afriken enfliyanse lang
avèk relijyon yo.
Alò li ta itil pou nou gade kijan relasyon yo ye avèk popilasyon nwa brezilyen an.
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Saturday, April 25th 2009 - 07:40 UTC
Black population becomes the majority in Brazil
Brazil and its almost 200 million population is no longer a country of white majority.
The credit now belongs to the 49.6% black or mulatto population compared to the 49.4% defined as white and this is set to increase in coming years with that percentage increasing to 54, according to a recent report from the Rio do Janeiro Federal University.
Professor Antonio Paixao from the Rio University’s Economy Institute believes that since Brazil is no longer a white majority country, “we need a policy of diversity”,
which is a great challenge for the political establishment.
The black birth rate is also higher than that of the whites or Europeans descendents, so the big question is whether Brazil is prepared to face the fact that blacks and mulattos are becoming a solid majority, and how this will influence legislation, asks Paixao.
But current reality shows another picture, with a considerable degree of discrimination for the blacks: the basic food basket for a black person demands 76 hours of work compared to the average 54 hours for a white person.
Similarly illiteracy among blacks runs as high as 20%, but only 6% for whites.
Since Brazil was the last country in the region to grant slaves freedom in 1888, blacks have always been at a disadvantage in education and work opportunities, points out Paixao.
Similarly, access to tertiary education for blacks is far more up road, since most of them are condemned to work to subsist, while white families can afford to pay for their children’s education.
The administration of President Lula da Silva is credited with having invested heavily in the social and economic integration of the black people, for example by imposing a policy of quotas for blacks in universities.
Nevertheless power in Brazil rests in the whites who hold the strategic posts in politics and the economy.
But some blacks have had outstanding careers, mainly in sports and the arts. One of them is the world famous former football star Pelé and another the musician-composer Gilberto Gil. Both have held cabinet posts, but as a white initiative towards supporting diversity.
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Pou kòmanse diskisyon sa a se pou nou etabli ki wòl AYITI jwe lan imijinasyon BREZILYEN.Se pou tèt sa mwen di si m gen yen pou m chwazi ant LA FRANS ak BREZIL.Se BREZIL m ap chwazi mil fwa.
Men sa Dr ABDIAS DE NASCIMENTO rapòte lan liv li an ""BREZIL MIXTURE OR MASSACRE""
DE NASCIMENTO se yon entelektyèl nwa brezilyen ki anseye lan anpil inivèsite ameriken.Gouvènman militè BREZIL yo te ekzile misye:
""In RECIFE ,IN 1824 ,a military unit of mulattoes revolted and groups of insurgent slaves adhered to their cause.The leader of the revolt ,EMILIANO MANDACURU,issued a manifesto in verse where he said:
Qual eu imito Cristovao
Ese imortal haitiano
Eja!Imitar o seu povo
O meu povo soberano!
As I imitate Christophe
The immortal Haitian
Hey!Imitate his people
O my sovereign people
In this verse is verified the inspiration Brazilian Blacks took from the victorious struggles of TOUSSAINT LOUVERTURE,DESSALINES and HENRI CHRISTOPHE to liberate HAITI from the white dominion of the FRENCH and to establish a sovereign state governed by blacks""
(ABDIAS DE NASCIMENTO-PAJ 36)
Men sa Dr ABDIAS DE NASCIMENTO rapòte lan liv li an ""BREZIL MIXTURE OR MASSACRE""
DE NASCIMENTO se yon entelektyèl nwa brezilyen ki anseye lan anpil inivèsite ameriken.Gouvènman militè BREZIL yo te ekzile misye:
""In RECIFE ,IN 1824 ,a military unit of mulattoes revolted and groups of insurgent slaves adhered to their cause.The leader of the revolt ,EMILIANO MANDACURU,issued a manifesto in verse where he said:
Qual eu imito Cristovao
Ese imortal haitiano
Eja!Imitar o seu povo
O meu povo soberano!
As I imitate Christophe
The immortal Haitian
Hey!Imitate his people
O my sovereign people
In this verse is verified the inspiration Brazilian Blacks took from the victorious struggles of TOUSSAINT LOUVERTURE,DESSALINES and HENRI CHRISTOPHE to liberate HAITI from the white dominion of the FRENCH and to establish a sovereign state governed by blacks""
(ABDIAS DE NASCIMENTO-PAJ 36)
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Genyen yon operasyon ki eseye detwi istwa Ayiti avèk pèp li.
Nou konnen ke kanpay saa te soti ann Ewòp ki te reyini tout peyi kolonyal e esklavajis pou konbat frekansite Desalin ki te pèmèt li deranje sistèm sosytoekonomik yo.
Anvan Ayiti deklare endepandans li, Lafrans te yon gwo peyi ki ta p dikte rès Ewòp kijan pou yo mennen zafè yo sou ejid Napoleyon.
Etazini vinn senpatize avèk Ewop pou yo peze Ayiti paske yo ta p opere lan sistèm esklavaj lan tou.
Anvan 1804, se ravaje nèg yo ravaje popilasyon Afriken an pou yo jwenn esklav ki pou ta l bourike pou yo pou yon plat manje.
Tout peyi sayo te vinn rich sou do nèg ki ta p founi yo sik, digo, matye premyè preske gratis. Si yon moun we richès laFrans, a Pari ki te bati anpil, ki fè minero rantre soti
lan koloni yo.
Lè saa, Lafrik te yon teren piyay, paske ekspedisyon tout peyi Ewòp te konn al fè rapinn nenpòt kote jiskaske bagay lan te tèlman bon ke pi gwo peyi Ewopeyen yo komanse kolonize kontinan nwa a.
Kidonk, lè Ayiti te pran endepandans li, Lafrik potko kolonize.
Donk endepandans nou an se te yon revolisyon total ki chanje tout sistèm gwo peyi Ewòp e Etazini.
Depi lè saa nou komanse ap peye pou zak ewo nou yo.
Se pa ekstòsyon Lafrans lan sèlman. Tout peyi Ewop avèk Etazini te bloke nou.
Si yon moun kapab konprann reyaksyon mesye sayo paske yo te pèdi anpil akòz de Ayiti. Men li tris lè desandan ewo Ayiti yo ap kontribye pou fè lemond bliye jès ewoyik zansèt nou yo.
Depi lan ane 60 yo, nèg ayisyen dezavwe Tousen, Desalin, Kristòf.
Yo fè sa yo kapab pou diminye grandè zak ke yo te poze an.
Yo kreye plizyè kan pou mete Desalin kont Tousen,
Desalin kont Kristòf menmjan ke yo mennen politik patizan yo, jodya.
Kifè, gen de aksyon pou nou venere lè etranje lan lòt peyi, lòt kilti ap bay zansèt nou yo kredi e rekonèt kontribisyon yo lan emansipasyon pa yo.
Ke se Venezyela, ke se Kiba. ke se Brezil, ke se Afrik di Sid, ke se Senegal ak vwazen Karayib nou yo ki rekonèt grandè Ayiti, se pou nou bayo yon akolad.
Nou konnen ke kanpay saa te soti ann Ewòp ki te reyini tout peyi kolonyal e esklavajis pou konbat frekansite Desalin ki te pèmèt li deranje sistèm sosytoekonomik yo.
Anvan Ayiti deklare endepandans li, Lafrans te yon gwo peyi ki ta p dikte rès Ewòp kijan pou yo mennen zafè yo sou ejid Napoleyon.
Etazini vinn senpatize avèk Ewop pou yo peze Ayiti paske yo ta p opere lan sistèm esklavaj lan tou.
Anvan 1804, se ravaje nèg yo ravaje popilasyon Afriken an pou yo jwenn esklav ki pou ta l bourike pou yo pou yon plat manje.
Tout peyi sayo te vinn rich sou do nèg ki ta p founi yo sik, digo, matye premyè preske gratis. Si yon moun we richès laFrans, a Pari ki te bati anpil, ki fè minero rantre soti
lan koloni yo.
Lè saa, Lafrik te yon teren piyay, paske ekspedisyon tout peyi Ewòp te konn al fè rapinn nenpòt kote jiskaske bagay lan te tèlman bon ke pi gwo peyi Ewopeyen yo komanse kolonize kontinan nwa a.
Kidonk, lè Ayiti te pran endepandans li, Lafrik potko kolonize.
Donk endepandans nou an se te yon revolisyon total ki chanje tout sistèm gwo peyi Ewòp e Etazini.
Depi lè saa nou komanse ap peye pou zak ewo nou yo.
Se pa ekstòsyon Lafrans lan sèlman. Tout peyi Ewop avèk Etazini te bloke nou.
Si yon moun kapab konprann reyaksyon mesye sayo paske yo te pèdi anpil akòz de Ayiti. Men li tris lè desandan ewo Ayiti yo ap kontribye pou fè lemond bliye jès ewoyik zansèt nou yo.
Depi lan ane 60 yo, nèg ayisyen dezavwe Tousen, Desalin, Kristòf.
Yo fè sa yo kapab pou diminye grandè zak ke yo te poze an.
Yo kreye plizyè kan pou mete Desalin kont Tousen,
Desalin kont Kristòf menmjan ke yo mennen politik patizan yo, jodya.
Kifè, gen de aksyon pou nou venere lè etranje lan lòt peyi, lòt kilti ap bay zansèt nou yo kredi e rekonèt kontribisyon yo lan emansipasyon pa yo.
Ke se Venezyela, ke se Kiba. ke se Brezil, ke se Afrik di Sid, ke se Senegal ak vwazen Karayib nou yo ki rekonèt grandè Ayiti, se pou nou bayo yon akolad.
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Sa a se pou mesyedam ke lè m te di se yon kesyon de tan pou BREZIL gen yon prezidan nwa;yo t ap voye monte.
Bagay ki fè plis bri lan eleksyon BREZIL lan ,se prestasyon MARINA SILVA a.
Lan sondaj yo ,yo te di se 10% moun ki t ap vote pou li ;li fè 20%.
Manmzèl se yon fanm nwa;rasis franse yo toujou pre pou yo rele moun metis ,men manmzèl limenm rele tèt li nwa.
Alòs ,peryòd pou gen yon prezidan nwa lan BREZIL lan ka pi pwòch ke moun ki pi optimis yo ta ka panse.
Yo di manmzèl kapab yon ""king"" ou byen yon ""queen maker"" lan 2yèm tou an:
http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article/2010/10/04/bresil-marina-silva-l-ancienne-disciple_1419865_3222.html#ens_id=1395239
Bagay ki fè plis bri lan eleksyon BREZIL lan ,se prestasyon MARINA SILVA a.
Lan sondaj yo ,yo te di se 10% moun ki t ap vote pou li ;li fè 20%.
Manmzèl se yon fanm nwa;rasis franse yo toujou pre pou yo rele moun metis ,men manmzèl limenm rele tèt li nwa.
Alòs ,peryòd pou gen yon prezidan nwa lan BREZIL lan ka pi pwòch ke moun ki pi optimis yo ta ka panse.
Yo di manmzèl kapab yon ""king"" ou byen yon ""queen maker"" lan 2yèm tou an:
http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article/2010/10/04/bresil-marina-silva-l-ancienne-disciple_1419865_3222.html#ens_id=1395239
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Incroyable .Peut-etre un jour on aura une femme presidente aux Etats-Unis aussi.
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Monche Joel, mwen te sezi matin-an lem we Marina Silva gin tout pousantaj sa-a. Vreman mwen te toujou konen ke Brezil se yon peyi machomin-n. Sa montre ke mouveman-an telman gen supor ke minm yon fanm, e anplis yo neg gin dwa aspire a la presidans.
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Hillary Clinton en 2012, pardon PalinLe gros roseau a écrit:Incroyable .Peut-etre un jour on aura une femme presidente aux Etats-Unis aussi.
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Bon, se yon reta ki bezwen rektifye depi lontan.
Te gen Indira ann end, Benazi o Pakistan, Trouyo ann Ayiti, Bachelet o Chili.
Lalmay, Finlann, Liberia, Srilanka epi lòt mwen pa sonje.
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Marc
poukisa ou di an 2012 la.Ou gen lè konnen yon bagay mwen pa konnen.Nou sousestime Obama twòp wi.Si se pou Palin bliye sa.yo di yon moun pa dwe di jamè ,men mwen pa kwè Sarah palin ap janm presidan o Zeta Zuni.Fok ou pa bliye ke Shirley Chisolm te di Etat zuni pli sexist ke rasist. e se vre.
poukisa ou di an 2012 la.Ou gen lè konnen yon bagay mwen pa konnen.Nou sousestime Obama twòp wi.Si se pou Palin bliye sa.yo di yon moun pa dwe di jamè ,men mwen pa kwè Sarah palin ap janm presidan o Zeta Zuni.Fok ou pa bliye ke Shirley Chisolm te di Etat zuni pli sexist ke rasist. e se vre.
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Kim Campbell au Canada
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Le gros roseau a écrit:Marc
poukisa ou di an 2012 la.Ou gen lè konnen yon bagay mwen pa konnen.Nou sousestime Obama twòp wi.Si se pou Palin bliye sa.yo di yon moun pa dwe di jamè ,men mwen pa kwè Sarah palin ap janm presidan o Zeta Zuni.Fok ou pa bliye ke Shirley Chisolm te di Etat zuni pli sexist ke rasist. e se vre.
NBC's "Meet the Press" host David Gregory on Sept. 5 raised the possibility that Clinton might renew her battle against Obama for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination...
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Kami
I didn't watch the program;did Hilary Clinton said that?Or is it a speculation?Gregory was contemplating an alternative to president Obama for the democratic party in the next election.I am not saying it will not happen,but I doubt it very much.
First of all Hilary clinton knows very well if she challenges President Obma for the nomination she will divide the democratic party and alienate the african american voters who will stay home in the general election. secondly if the economy doesn't improve no matter who is the nominee,he or she will be in big trouble.On the other hand if the economy improves in the next two years nobody ,and I mean nobody can beat Obama.
I didn't watch the program;did Hilary Clinton said that?Or is it a speculation?Gregory was contemplating an alternative to president Obama for the democratic party in the next election.I am not saying it will not happen,but I doubt it very much.
First of all Hilary clinton knows very well if she challenges President Obma for the nomination she will divide the democratic party and alienate the african american voters who will stay home in the general election. secondly if the economy doesn't improve no matter who is the nominee,he or she will be in big trouble.On the other hand if the economy improves in the next two years nobody ,and I mean nobody can beat Obama.
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Sasaye a écrit:
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Saturday, April 25th 2009 - 07:40 UTC
Black population becomes the majority in Brazil
Brazil and its almost 200 million population is no longer a country of white majority.
The credit now belongs to the 49.6% black or mulatto population compared to the 49.4% defined as white and this is set to increase in coming years with that percentage increasing to 54, according to a recent report from the Rio do Janeiro Federal University.
Professor Antonio Paixao from the Rio University’s Economy Institute believes that since Brazil is no longer a white majority country, “we need a policy of diversity”,
which is a great challenge for the political establishment.
The black birth rate is also higher than that of the whites or Europeans descendents, so the big question is whether Brazil is prepared to face the fact that blacks and mulattos are becoming a solid majority, and how this will influence legislation, asks Paixao.
But current reality shows another picture, with a considerable degree of discrimination for the blacks: the basic food basket for a black person demands 76 hours of work compared to the average 54 hours for a white person.
Similarly illiteracy among blacks runs as high as 20%, but only 6% for whites.
Since Brazil was the last country in the region to grant slaves freedom in 1888, blacks have always been at a disadvantage in education and work opportunities, points out Paixao.
Similarly, access to tertiary education for blacks is far more up road, since most of them are condemned to work to subsist, while white families can afford to pay for their children’s education.
The administration of President Lula da Silva is credited with having invested heavily in the social and economic integration of the black people, for example by imposing a policy of quotas for blacks in universities.
Nevertheless power in Brazil rests in the whites who hold the strategic posts in politics and the economy.
But some blacks have had outstanding careers, mainly in sports and the arts. One of them is the world famous former football star Pelé and another the musician-composer Gilberto Gil. Both have held cabinet posts, but as a white initiative towards supporting diversity.
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Fraz kle an ,se ""49% DEFINED as white"".Tankou m te di l ,BREZILYEN pa defini blan tan kou yo defini blan OZETAZINI pa egzanp.
Lan BREZIL ,si w sanble blan e po w klè anpil ;yo defini w kou blan.
Se rezon sa a ,estatistik yo fose.
Mwen te wè sou yon atik lan NEW YORK TIMES ke ansyen prezidan BREZIL lan, CARDOSO te di ke 80% brezilyen genyen omwens yon zansèt afriken.
CARDOSO te di sa pou li jistifye penetrasyon e rechèh mache pou BREZIL,ann AFRIK.
Akòz de similarite kiltirèl ant noumenm ak BREZIL ,mwen pèswade ke enfliyans yo genyen pou li siplante pa la FRANS lan.YO SANBLE TWÒP AK NOU.
Sa k pi rèd lan y ap enplante yo tou lòt bò fwontyè an ,an DOMINIKANI.Y ap bati faktori tou lan peyi sa a.
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Mwen te kwe ke konstitusyon Brezil di ke tout brezilyen se blan? sa chanje konyea.
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Kami,
Mwen pa konnen si konstitisyon Brezil lan te deklare fomèlman ke tout brezilyen se te blan.
Men mwen te konn tande pawòl saa tout tan. E li te evidan lan plizyè piblisite ki te konn fèt sou Brezil.
Men , si nou analize aproch saa, se te yon move politik ki ta p nye ekzistans avèk enpotans kominote nwa lan peyi saa.
Konsa, li te posib pou yo pa rekonèt akonplisman nwa avèk kontribisyon yo lan edifis
nasyonal lan.
Lè w rann yon gwoup envisib lan yon sosyete, se eksklizyon total e li pa menm kapab revandike, paske li pa ekziste.
Antouka, konstitisyon ou pa. gen anpil mouvman ki te chanje sitiyasyon saa,
le nèg tankou Gilberto Gil komanse fè reklamasyon lan chante l yo.
Gade kote l rive kòm minis de la kilti sou gouvenman Lula a.
Bosa Nova, se yon fòm mizik ki trè zavanse opwendvi atistik.
Men li a la baz yon mouvman revolisyonè ki chanje sistèm politik e sosyal Brezil,
anmemtan li resisite patisipasyon kandomble lan kilti peyi a.
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Jowèl,
Toujou genyen yon zònn flou lan definisyon ras moun lan yon peyi.
Non sèlman gen definisyon ofisyèl ki baze sou politk peyi a, men gen definisyon pèsonel ki baze sou pèsepsyon moun nan de kisa li kwe li ye.
Gen de sitiyasyon komik kote yon moun po fonse kwè se blan li ye e ou kapab jwen opoze a tou.
Se la konsyantizasyon gen yon wòl enpotan pou l jwe.
Apa statistik sayo montre lan 49% yo, se pou yo enkli tout lòt gwoup ki pa blan yo,
pa ekzanp amerendyen yo, lan gwoup nwa yo.
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Sasaye,
Se sa kem te toujou tande ki nan konstitusyon Brezilyen an. Yo te fem konprann ke brezilyen pat vle fe diferans ak sitoyenl yo. Min mwen te we lekontrer lem tal vizite Brezil. Premye prev kem te we sete a Rio nan yon Legliz; gen yon fanm nwa ke yo konsidere sainte, min a koz de kouler po li yo seteoblije mete stati an deyo nan lakou legliz lan, juskonye-a li nan lakou toujou, byen ke fidel yo deklare ke li ezoste priye yo, Legliz pa okupe de sa.
Se sa kem te toujou tande ki nan konstitusyon Brezilyen an. Yo te fem konprann ke brezilyen pat vle fe diferans ak sitoyenl yo. Min mwen te we lekontrer lem tal vizite Brezil. Premye prev kem te we sete a Rio nan yon Legliz; gen yon fanm nwa ke yo konsidere sainte, min a koz de kouler po li yo seteoblije mete stati an deyo nan lakou legliz lan, juskonye-a li nan lakou toujou, byen ke fidel yo deklare ke li ezoste priye yo, Legliz pa okupe de sa.
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Mesyedam pa prese kritike BREZIL non.Noumenm ki aboli lesklavay depi 1793,se te yon jouman pou te di AYISYEN se AFRIKEN wi.
Jis kounye an , gen de moun sou sit sa a ki ap voye pwent ""kanibal"" ki menm ap rele moun KONGO ,tankou se yon jouman.
BREZIL limenm se an 1888,yo te aboli lesklavay wi.Gen anpil BREZILYEN ki vivan kounye an ,granpapa yo se te esklav wi.
Men sa ABDIAS DO NASCIMENTO ,KI brezilyen ,ki fèt lan SAO PAULO ki ""vizyèlman"" ou ta ka rele yon ""milat"" te di lan liv li an ""BRAZIL ,MIXTURE OR MASSACRE"" ke l te pibliye an 1980.
""According to UNDERESTIMATED official statistics 44.34 of BRAZILIANS REPRESENT IN THE 1980 CENSUS the sum of the two categories preto(Black) and pardo (roughly the equivalent of ""Brown"",except that many browns classify themselves as whites).
For purposes of statistical analysis,we will define the sum of these two categories as the Afro-Brazilian population,although we are aware that these official data greatly underestimate the true dimension of the Afro-Brazilian demographic presence
Pa bliye ke se an 1980,DO NASCIMENTO t ap di bagay sa yo.
Jis kounye an , gen de moun sou sit sa a ki ap voye pwent ""kanibal"" ki menm ap rele moun KONGO ,tankou se yon jouman.
BREZIL limenm se an 1888,yo te aboli lesklavay wi.Gen anpil BREZILYEN ki vivan kounye an ,granpapa yo se te esklav wi.
Men sa ABDIAS DO NASCIMENTO ,KI brezilyen ,ki fèt lan SAO PAULO ki ""vizyèlman"" ou ta ka rele yon ""milat"" te di lan liv li an ""BRAZIL ,MIXTURE OR MASSACRE"" ke l te pibliye an 1980.
""According to UNDERESTIMATED official statistics 44.34 of BRAZILIANS REPRESENT IN THE 1980 CENSUS the sum of the two categories preto(Black) and pardo (roughly the equivalent of ""Brown"",except that many browns classify themselves as whites).
For purposes of statistical analysis,we will define the sum of these two categories as the Afro-Brazilian population,although we are aware that these official data greatly underestimate the true dimension of the Afro-Brazilian demographic presence
Pa bliye ke se an 1980,DO NASCIMENTO t ap di bagay sa yo.
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It is clear that the building of TRANSCULTURAL MECHANISMS in the heart of the Pan-African community is the fundamental step which will garantee the realization of Pan-AFRICANISM.Future steps on the pragmatic path,must search for means of emphasizing and developping Pan-African culture,rather than merely promote Black-BRAZILIAN,YORUBA ,HAITIAN ,or any other single culture
(ABDIAS DO NASCIMENTO;PAJ 48)
(ABDIAS DO NASCIMENTO;PAJ 48)
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Joel a écrit:Manmzèl se yon fanm nwa;rasis franse yo toujou pre pou yo rele moun metis, men manmzèl limenm rele tèt li nwa.
Pou sa ki te rekonèt mwen yon lè, mwen te di nou ke yun lan sa yo di ki pi gwo espesyalist jeopolitik aktyèlman sou tè a, Yves Lacoste, yon Fransè, misye te ekri lan paj 138 dènye piblikasyon'l mwen t'ap li ke an Ayiti, se te milat ki te chèf revolisyonè ki te a la tèt mas esklav yo. E pi itou, m'ap siyale'n pou nou pa janm fè Franse konfyans menm egalman lè se de prop istwa yo y'ap pale. Tout magazin, tout piblikasyon yo trufe d'erè. Tout magazin nou ki sou etalaj lan libreri, se pa bagay pou nou koleksyone. Menm revu HISTORIA se pa de erè ou mansonj mwen konn ap li lan sa.
Le gros oiseau a écrit:Incroyable .Peut-etre un jour on aura une femme presidente aux Etats-Unis aussi... Fok ou pa bliye ke Shirley Chisolm te di Etat zuni pli sexist ke rasist. e se vre.
Lan kou a se la Frans ak Etazini ki panko fè jan de chanjman sila. Nou t'ap pale de abolisyon esklavaj, mouvman feminist la fè anpil bri lan espri yo. Ou byen itou, yo prudan, yo pa vle pran chans ak band chóchè anraje sa yo... Ofon , Le gros oiseau, féministe convaincu, p'ap janm lage Hillary'l. Li vle pou tout dam prezidan sof Myrlande Manigat. La a, mwen bije dakor ak li. Men zafè Etazini pi seksis ke rasis la, se diskou feminis sa ye. Tout fanm ki rive lan tèt pouvwa yo, se pa yon diskou feminist ki menen yo la.
Sasaye a écrit:Te gen Indira ann end, Benazi o Pakistan, Trouyo ann Ayiti, Bachelet o Chili. Lalmay, Finlann, Liberia, Srilanka epi lòt mwen pa sonje.
Pou mwen gen lan moun sa yo, ki pat fè yon bon travay e ki te kontinye sou menm beat puisans kolonyal yo. E se sa ki fè ke dinasti toujou fini mal. Kilè y'ap aprand. Se tankou m'ta di w ke se yon group ou yon fanmi ki posede la verite. Gandhi ak Bhutto, 2 fanm ki te gen mantalite vasal medyeval. Yo prefere san yo koule pou ki prestij sa k konen? Gad jan tout fanmi yo detrui lan koze dinasti. Yo pa jan aprand. Donk yo pa menm ak à rès yo.
Si se pou Trouyo, Campbell, nou pa bezwen ensiste paske medam sa yo pat elu e yo pat gen tan ekzèse oken pouvwa. Se de moun ke yo te al pran lè pati yo ou peyi a te lan pozisyon kritik. An pasan, yun lan dènye moun Mikayèl dekore de l'Ordre du Canada se Kim Campbell. Menm lan 20 ane nou pap tande ke premye minis Kanada a se yon fanm. Kanta Madan Trouyo, si m'te fanm, mwen pa ta janm aksepte jan de job konsa men si sa fè manmzèl pase pou yon bon moun komsi se sèvis li ki te kalme bagay yo.
M'ap tande Ingrid Betancourt ki ap fè promosyon pou liv li sètansi. Si manmzèl te yon moun serye fyabl, si li pat yon asosye ou pititi kolon ki te bezwen pouvwa ak espri enperyalist, kote FARC ta pwal kidnape'l konsa. Sa k pi rèd la yo fè tout moun kwè ke se aksyon parachitis franse ki t'al rache'l anba main rebèl yo. Gad jan fanm gen suksè lan peyi Amerik latin yo, pou ki sa yo te kouri rache manmzèl lan mitan kanpay prezidansyèl.
Yon sèl bagay, mwen ta renmen wè yon jenn fanm próp kanpe lan mitan mazèt lakay yo. Men an Ayiti fanm pa ka janm kandida prezidan si finans yo pa solid. E se sa k pèmèt madan Manigat frenk kare ap ensiste. Si w pa gen bèl gwo tete w pa la dan'l. Si w pat dekouvri jar, blye sa. Si mari w pat gen mouvman pou li t'ap ranmase lajan lan main Vatican Venezuela Amerik Latin elatrèy, w'ap bouke lan rout. E sanble a lè aktyèl w dwe se yon bon wangatèz. Donk medam yo, si nou anvizaje vin prezidan an Ayiti yon jou, se gen konesans ki util ak vizyon ki byen supóte ak anpil zouzoum. Sa vle di ke se pa nenpót fyèt lalo ki ka al sye kajou sila. La pente est trop raide et le bois est trop dur... whatever! (LOL)
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se pa mwen ki di Eta zuni pi seksist ke rasis non se yon fanm nwa ki te kandida a la presidans yo rele Shirley Chisolm ki te di sa e se bagay ke tout moun konnen pou chak dola gason fè o Zeta Zuni fanm se 80 santim yo fè.si genyen 100 gason ki CEo gwo konpayi fanm yo se selman 10 nan yo ki okipe menm fonktyon e yo pa touche menm lajan ak gason yo. bagay sa yo montre vre ke peyi ya pi seksis ke rasis.gade konbyen fanm ki te konn genyen nan kongrè ameriken e menm nan siprem kou anvan obama te nomen 2 fanm sa yo se te toujou yon sel fanm e se Reagan mwen kwè ki te nonmen premye fanm lan .ki pousantaj fanm represante nan popilatyon ameriken yan?Ou pa ka rete ou demanti yon bagay san w pa konsidere statistik ki eksiste yo.ou panse Obama te ka bat hilary si se pa yon peyi seksis.mwen pa kwè se yon fenomenn ki eksiste o Zeta zuni selman.se yon mirak ki pou ta fè Myrlande Manigat presidan an ayiti menm si elektyon fet lib e onet.
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Re: An nou gade kijan sosyete Brezilyen an menmjan ak sosyete Ayisyen an
Gen kote mwen dakor men sanble w blye (mansyone) estatistik ki di ke lan anpil domèn, sitou kote ki gen anpil lajan, salè Nwa se posantaj salè blan pou menm travay la. Sa sa vle di? Sa sa rele dapre'w? Eske Obama ap fè menm salè ke T-Bush lan koze luil? Sa ta etone'm. (lol)
E pi, ouais! kote fuit lan Gulf sila soti? Mezanmi, fè on ti al reflechi. Reeleksyon Obama pa baze sou inosans ankor. Pou mwen, jis pou mwen, se yon jwèt konsyans k'ap jwe. M'ap gade kouman ti-bonom la pwal soti lan grimas, non-sense k'ap pase lan peyi Meriken. Sa tro klè. Menm lè blan visye kakatwè fin chye, li pran yon nwa pou al ranmase travay li, e pi li tonbe ap pase'l lan tout kalite kolimatè, y'ap pire misye. Menm lè yo fin mete misye sou pouvwa swadizan, yo frenk kare teste'l. Kom si moun nwa dwe prouve ke yo plis ke Erkil.
Antouka, Obama te deside al jwe lan la Cour des Grands. Mwen p'ap plede pouli ankor paske mwen pa janm dakor ke li te antoure'l de Clintonians sa yo. Bon, pafwa mwen blye pou ki sa mwen t'ap goumen pou Obama. Sèl bagay, mwen p'ap janm pèdi palavire'm bat bravo pou yon Hillary pa pale pou yon Palin.
[justify]E pi, ouais! kote fuit lan Gulf sila soti? Mezanmi, fè on ti al reflechi. Reeleksyon Obama pa baze sou inosans ankor. Pou mwen, jis pou mwen, se yon jwèt konsyans k'ap jwe. M'ap gade kouman ti-bonom la pwal soti lan grimas, non-sense k'ap pase lan peyi Meriken. Sa tro klè. Menm lè blan visye kakatwè fin chye, li pran yon nwa pou al ranmase travay li, e pi li tonbe ap pase'l lan tout kalite kolimatè, y'ap pire misye. Menm lè yo fin mete misye sou pouvwa swadizan, yo frenk kare teste'l. Kom si moun nwa dwe prouve ke yo plis ke Erkil.
Antouka, Obama te deside al jwe lan la Cour des Grands. Mwen p'ap plede pouli ankor paske mwen pa janm dakor ke li te antoure'l de Clintonians sa yo. Bon, pafwa mwen blye pou ki sa mwen t'ap goumen pou Obama. Sèl bagay, mwen p'ap janm pèdi palavire'm bat bravo pou yon Hillary pa pale pou yon Palin.
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Bon nan yon konversatyon fok ou tande ou li sa moun ekri tou wi.mwen pa di ke peyi pa rasis non ,mwen diw ke li pi seksis, e se bagay tout moun ki travay o Zeta Zuni konnen.pou zafè nan gwo konpayi ekzekitif blan touche pi gwo kob pase ekzekitif nwa se bagay tout moun konnen.pou moun ki antoure Obama se pa moun Clinton selman ki nan staff obama,epi fok w konnen tou se pa menm jan ak an ayiti kote depi yon moun eli presidan tout miz la se pou li.se yon pati ki te nonmen Obama kandida a la presidans.pati ya genyen dwa bal moun ki pou sevi nan staff la ,li genyen dwa rejte moun ke li pa vle.Emanuel pa selman moun Clinton men li soti chicago tou.
genyen moun ki deja kwè ke Obama ap pèdi prochen elektyon presidantyel la ,fok nou pa kouri aplodi sa non, si ekonomi amelyore Obama ap bat nenpot moun ke repibliken nomen.e ekonomi ya komanse amelyore.gade stcok market la konpare Dow Jones industrial jodya ak lè Obama te pran pouvwa wa konprann ke sitiyatyon ekonomik la ap amelyore.si to chomaj la bese a 6% e Presidan Obama retire twoup ameriken yo an Afghanistan an 2012 Obama presidan pou yon lot term ankò.E si pa malè pou Repibliken yo Obama ta fini dezyem term li yan ak yon ekonomi an fòm e yon peyi an pè e prospè Hilary Clinton ap presidan o Zeta Zuni si li ap vle brige presidans lan.e foto saa ke marc mete sou paj antre forum li ka reyalise an 2012 wi.se pa pou sove presidans Obama a non men pou ba Hilary yon bourad.Anpil moun souzestime presidan Obama men se yon moun ki entelijan anpil wi.
genyen moun ki deja kwè ke Obama ap pèdi prochen elektyon presidantyel la ,fok nou pa kouri aplodi sa non, si ekonomi amelyore Obama ap bat nenpot moun ke repibliken nomen.e ekonomi ya komanse amelyore.gade stcok market la konpare Dow Jones industrial jodya ak lè Obama te pran pouvwa wa konprann ke sitiyatyon ekonomik la ap amelyore.si to chomaj la bese a 6% e Presidan Obama retire twoup ameriken yo an Afghanistan an 2012 Obama presidan pou yon lot term ankò.E si pa malè pou Repibliken yo Obama ta fini dezyem term li yan ak yon ekonomi an fòm e yon peyi an pè e prospè Hilary Clinton ap presidan o Zeta Zuni si li ap vle brige presidans lan.e foto saa ke marc mete sou paj antre forum li ka reyalise an 2012 wi.se pa pou sove presidans Obama a non men pou ba Hilary yon bourad.Anpil moun souzestime presidan Obama men se yon moun ki entelijan anpil wi.
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Re: An nou gade kijan sosyete Brezilyen an menmjan ak sosyete Ayisyen an
Bagay HILARY an se ""good politics"".OBAMA vle fanm yo sòti pou y al vote lan eleksyon NOVANM yo.
E gade kimoun ki ap pale de sa ,se BOB WOODWARD ki petèt jounalis yo pi respekte lan peyi an.
Dapre mwen ,si BIDEN aksepte ,sa ap fèt vre:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/10/06/2010-10-06_obamahil_ticket_on_the_table.html
E gade kimoun ki ap pale de sa ,se BOB WOODWARD ki petèt jounalis yo pi respekte lan peyi an.
Dapre mwen ,si BIDEN aksepte ,sa ap fèt vre:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/10/06/2010-10-06_obamahil_ticket_on_the_table.html
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