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Arrestation de Guy Philippe aux Cayes ?

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Message  piporiko Lun 16 Juil 2007 - 11:21

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L'ASSASSIN GUY PHILLIPE VIENT D'ETRE ARRETE AUX CAYES.

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Message  Thunder Sam 21 Juil 2007 - 14:32

Joel a écrit:Rayisman misye genyen pou Aristide lan,fè misye fin pèdi bon sans li.
Zafè foto prezidan yo ,ke yo mete nan biro Leta a ,se pa ann Ayiti sèlman yo fè sa.Ale nan anpil Biro Leta ozetazini w ap wè foto G. Bush,kounye an ale an frans se foto SARKOZY w ap wè,Kanada menm se foto Rèn Anglèz lan w ap wè si m pa manti (moun ki rete Kanada yo ka konfime ou enfime sa).

Yon sèl bagay mwen ta renmen konnen ,kote rayisman misye gen pou Aristide lan sòti?se preske yon patoloji lakay misye.

Mwen poko janm mande pou tèl Gouvenman kase ren lavalasyen non mwen, mwen poko ap priye bondye pou yo fizye Aristide non. Se nou menm ki tèlman fanatik li vinn ran nou genyen èn nan kè nou pou tout moun ki kont Aristide endistenkteman.

N'ap pran pòz mete peyi devan, pou nou kache fanatism nou.

Mwen menm mwen pase nan plizyè peyi etranje demokratik, mwen poko janm wè foto prezidan-an nan tribinal, ni nan pòs Polis. Ni nan fè jènn polisye k'ap gradye nan lekòl polis ap repete slogan yon pati politik kelkonk oubyen ki o pouvwa : "Yon sèl nou fèb, ansanm nou fò, ansanm ansanm nou se Lavalas".

Mwen pa di ke se Aristide ki vini ak sa non, men sonje sèlman ...nou toujou di ke Duvalier te diktatè men Aristide pat sa, moun ki kont lè m'ap konpare 2 pèsonaj sa yo, si se mwen nou ta vole nan kòlèt mwen.
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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Sam 21 Juil 2007 - 15:52

Bon ,wou gen lè se yon lot moun ki degise; ki lang poum pale ak ou menm ,wou se moun ki ap fè bal nan kay sal yo?se normal pou yon moun ki genyen moyen dwe mete yon W.C. modern lakay li.li dwe mete fou a gas ou elektrik lakay li.men mwen di w ke mwen pa genyen lajan pou mwen ba pitit mwen manje mwen paka al fè kredi pou m achte frijidè,se poum kroke chapo m kote menm ka rive poum ka domi an pè.Wou se mou ki premye ti lajan ki tonbe nan men yo kouri achte yon kadilak ou byen yon mersedes epi se nan loye yo ye jis pou fè moun wè.Ou di depi ou te genyen 3 zan ou sonje e byen ti papa ni mwen tou mwen sonje mwen te ka genyen 9 ou diz lane konsa mwen te li yon bagay ki di dram pou yon pep ou pou yon endividi se lè li genyen anbityon ki depase moyen li.

Mete sa nan tet w.ou paka ap mande charite epi ou vle se soulye Florshein pou metenan pye w tankou yon nonm te konn ap di nan katye lakay mwen:Se Florshein mwen mete nan pye m " .Se mete boyo nan pye w epi fè ekonomi yon jou petet wa ka mete yon soulye Florshein nan pye w san ke se pa det ou fè.

mwen pa mande pou personn rete nan welfare non mwen mande pou nou envesti lajan peyi nan sa ki pwodwi byen ak servis pou pep la.bayo dlo, lekol ,lopital, lojman ,sekirite.travay.wou ou vle ak ti lajan mang lan pou nou achte vye zam demode ki pa ka itil anyen ke touye pwop ayisyen ,mwen di se yon non sans pou le moman. pa mete pawol nan bouch mwen pou ba tet ou rezon .manye ouvri je w e zorey w pa kite la enn fè w perdi bon sans ou.Mwen konorann orijinn ou ka anpeche w konprann soufrans moun chic ap manje yo mwen mwen te viv soufrans yo mwen te soufri ak yo nan morn se sak fè nou pa wè bagay yo menm jan.se pa vre nou pa beswen misè kontinye pou nou ka vote popilis ,men se pa ti boujwa non plis ki pral retire pep la nan misè ya .
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Message  Marc-Henry Sam 21 Juil 2007 - 16:06

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Se yon doctè kite vini avek bagay foto li tout kote lan biro leta . Genlè se yon maladi doctè bagay se yè.

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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Sam 21 Juil 2007 - 16:20

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te genyen foto Dumarsias Estime nan biro leta ,te genyen foto Paul Magloire nan biro leta mwen pa konnen pou Lescot ak Vincent.Menm o Zeta Zuni tou ou wè foto Presidan ki la nan biro leta.Mwen pa konnen si Aristide tap politise fos polis la men tou pou mwen zafè "ansanb ansanb nou se lavalas" se komsi yo ta mande yo pou yo repete deviz peyi ya ki se :'L'Union fait la force"se sa ke yo pa renmen pou ayisyen konsekan fè yon feso pou kraze sitadel mizè, ekzplwatatyon ,hing hang ki etabli nan peyi ya depi Pont Rouge.Eritye Rigaud ak jean Pierre Boyer yo vle pou se yo sel ki genyen la vwa pou yo ap kondwi trailer 18 rou a 11 zan (lol) mwen voye dlo mwen pa mouye personn non.(lol)
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Message  Thunder Dim 22 Juil 2007 - 16:14

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Bon ,wou gen lè se yon lot moun ki degise; ki lang poum pale ak ou menm ,wou se moun ki ap fè bal nan kay sal yo?se normal pou yon moun ki genyen moyen dwe mete yon W.C. modern lakay li.li dwe mete fou a gas ou elektrik lakay li.men mwen di w ke mwen pa genyen lajan pou mwen ba pitit mwen manje mwen paka al fè kredi pou m achte frijidè,se poum kroke chapo m kote menm ka rive poum ka domi an pè.Wou se mou ki premye ti lajan ki tonbe nan men yo kouri achte yon kadilak ou byen yon mersedes epi se nan loye yo ye jis pou fè moun wè.Ou di depi ou te genyen 3 zan ou sonje e byen ti papa ni mwen tou mwen sonje mwen te ka genyen 9 ou diz lane konsa mwen te li yon bagay ki di dram pou yon pep ou pou yon endividi se lè li genyen anbityon ki depase moyen li.

Non, se pa yon kesyon de fè fèt nan kay sal, ni achte kadilak, mwen pa mande pou nou genyen sou-maren nikleyè. mwen mande pou genyen yon kò ame mezi wanga nou. Tandans politik nou bouche zye ak bon sans nou. Depi moun pale de Lame, nou gentan ap di se Chaloska ak koudeta moun bezwen fè. M'ap fè wou remake yon bagay, si se koudeta vre moun bezwen fè, si yo ta bezwen lame se paske yo sòt, nan tan modènn sa-a yon moun pa bezwen lame pou bay koudeta.

Lè mwen pale de yon lame se paske mwen panse ke peyi Dayiti paka sòti nan sa li ye la san ke li pa genyen yon leta fò. E sèl fason pou leta-a fò fòk li genyen yon bra ame ki koresponn ak zam yo sispèk k'ap sikile nan peyi-a. Tout peyi k'ap fè pwogrè nan moman sa-a, tout peyi ki nan nivo yo ye kounyea se paske yo genyen yon leta fò.

Menm Aristide te wè enpòtans yon lame nan dènye semèn mwa Fevriye 2004 yo, lè li t'ap rele pou blan-an vinn pote'l sekou. La polis pa la pou fè lagè, lapolis se soubaltèn la jistis. E an Ayiti nou genyen geriya tout tandans politik, menm blan-an konnen sa se sak fè se militè ke yo voye an Ayiti. Pou kisa yo pat ka voye yon misyon polis sivil ?

Mete sa nan tet w.ou paka ap mande charite epi ou vle se soulye Florshein pou metenan pye w tankou yon nonm te konn ap di nan katye lakay mwen:Se Florshein mwen mete nan pye m " .Se mete boyo nan pye w epi fè ekonomi yon jou petet wa ka mete yon soulye
nan pye w san ke se pa det ou fè.

Chwazi ant soulye-a ak boyo-a, depann de reyalite bò lakay wou. Si bò lakay wou jonche ak moso boutèy, gwo pikan raje ki ka ba wou tetanòs ak lòt gwo enfeksyon ki ka voye w al bwa chat, mwen si e sèten wou pwal dèyè yon soulye ak semèl byen di pou mete nan pye'w. Wou ka pa genyen kòb pou achte soulye Florshein nan, men wou pral pran yon soulye nan pèpè kanmen, li te mèt sentetik.

Alò ant fè ekonomi oubyen fè yon sakrifis k'ap pèmèt ke wou rete an sante pou w jwenn kouraj pou travay pou ka reyalize yon bagay pi gran ke sa ekonomi bout chandèl ke wou pa menm ap gen tan jwi wan paske w'ap fini pa mouri anba tetanòs-la, kisa ke wou t'ap chwazi ? ...an tout onètete ?

se pa vre nou pa beswen misè kontinye pou nou ka vote popilis ,men se pa ti boujwa non plis ki pral retire pep la nan misè ya .

Wou di se pa vre, men wou pa detaye, eksplike pou mwen kijan popilis ap fè siviv san lamizè, eksplike'm souple. Epi yon lòt bagay ankò, se pa defann m'ap defann yon klas ke mwen pa menm fè pati de li, men fòk mwen poze w kesyon sa-a, di mwen ki solisyon majik ke wou genyen pou retire peyi Dayiti nan mizè-a ? san ke se pa antreprenè lokal ak entènasyonal ?

La pawòl pou wou. mwen chita sou ti chèz ba mwen pou'm pran leson.
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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Dim 22 Juil 2007 - 16:25

Ou sot ekri sou non bentlatay koulyè ya ou ekri sou Thunder; pou tout repons: ou beswen o lye ou chita sou ti chez ba w pou tann mwen al li atik ki pibliye yè swa ke yon profesè nan universite deta dayiti ekri ;mwen siggere ke w li li byen ak tout atantyon pou konprann sa yo rele lame; peyi ki for se pa lame ki fè yo for non se produktyon yo ak edikatyon moun ki ladann yo,respè lwa e konstitutyon yo pa sitoyen yo ;yo pa genyen jandam ki di konstitutyon se paye bayonet se fè'Costa Rica pa genyen lame li pa janm genyen twoub ke ayiti te genyen lè te genyen lame.wa aprann wol yon lame .Si apre ou li atik saa ou kontinye ap pale konsa se pa la penn tankou Joel di ya pou yon moun perdi tan ak ou.
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Message  Thunder Dim 22 Juil 2007 - 16:33

Marc-Henry ekri :

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Se yon doctè kite vini avek bagay foto li tout kote lan biro leta . Genlè se yon maladi doctè bagay se yè.

Wou fè'm ri jous mwen pa kapab ankò Laughing , mwen ka menm di plis, tankou frè marasa Dupond ak Dupont ta di, zafè foto yo tou patou-a se yon maladi dòktè ki soufri megalomani Laughing .

Sans Malice,

[size=12]te genyen foto Dumarsias Estime nan biro leta ,te genyen foto Paul Magloire nan biro leta mwen pa konnen pou Lescot ak Vincent.Menm o Zeta Zuni tou ou wè foto Presidan ki la nan biro leta.Mwen pa konnen si Aristide tap politise fos polis la men tou pou mwen zafè "ansanb ansanb nou se lavalas" se komsi yo ta mande yo pou yo repete deviz peyi ya ki se :'L'Union fait la force"se sa ke yo pa renmen pou ayisyen konsekan fè yon feso pou kraze sitadel mizè, ekzplwatatyon ,hing hang ki etabli nan peyi ya depi Pont Rouge.Eritye Rigaud ak jean Pierre Boyer yo vle pou se yo sel ki genyen la vwa pou yo ap kondwi trailer 18 rou a 11 zan (lol) mwen voye dlo mwen pa mouye personn non.(lol)[/size
]

Se pou'w mete gason sou wou pou w di bagay la san ke Joel pa toke tèt wou (lol).

Wou paka aksepte pou yon gouvenman ap fè polisye resite slogan pati politik yo, slogan sa-a se pa slogan peyi-a li ye, se slogan Fanmi Lavalas. W'ap dakò ak mwen kounyea si mwen di ke Aristide te finn chimerize lapolis la, se pou rezon sa yo menm ke nou pa pè lame konsa. Se paske nou ka pran ansyen chèf sekirite rapwoche nou pou nou mete chèf polis. Se paske nou ka mete domestik sousou nou vle nan tout pòs kle-yo jan nou vle pou nou ka pèsekite advèsè politik nou, tankou al mete zam lakay yo pou nou di y'ap manniganse koudeta.
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Message  Rodlam Sans Malice Dim 22 Juil 2007 - 16:46

Men ti yason mwen pa di w ou twop piti pou fè m leson moun ki ap politise fos piblik.ou pa konnen sa Duvalier te fè lè li tap rekrite ti peyisan pou fome gad Presidantyel nan zonn jeremi ya: li te fè Sanette balmir kanpe nan kasern la ak yon rigwaz epi chak non yo rele ke yo pral voye Nan palè ya sanette ba yo yon tikoput rigwaz di yo nou wè sa papa Doc fè pou nou se pa moun ki pa dim non mwen te la.

Sim ta nan plas Aristide se pa politise yo selman mwen ta politise mwen kwè se keen ki te site sa yon jenn milite pwogressis ki te President Bukina fasso te di :Yon militè san fomatyon politik se yon kriminel an sikilatyon.Se tout listwa peyi ya ke Militè ou byen politisyen itilise fos piblik pou granti manda yo .Ou konprann si duvalier pat politise milice la li tap fini manda jis pou li te pran presidans a vi.mwen pa di se yon bon bagay sa li te fè ya.men an verite apre 20 juillet 58 mwen pat genyen oken pwoblem ak sa li te fè ya.Aristide pat konnen ki jan pou l te fome milis pa li ya. se sak fè nou fè ti radiyes saa ke nou fè an 2 fwa .men piga yon jou lè yap fisye nou tankou poul nan la ri nou pran rele anmwe non.
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Message  Thunder Dim 22 Juil 2007 - 17:13

Ou sot ekri sou non bentlatay koulyè ya ou ekri sou Thunder; pou tout repons: ou beswen o lye ou chita sou ti chez ba w pou tann mwen al li atik ki pibliye yè swa ke yon profesè nan universite deta dayiti ekri ;mwen siggere ke w li li byen ak tout atantyon pou konprann sa yo rele lame; peyi ki for se pa lame ki fè yo for non se produktyon yo ak edikatyon moun ki ladann yo,respè lwa e konstitutyon yo pa sitoyen yo ;yo pa genyen jandam ki di konstitutyon se paye bayonet se fè'Costa Rica pa genyen lame li pa janm genyen twoub ke ayiti te genyen lè te genyen lame.wa aprann wol yon lame .Si apre ou li atik saa ou kontinye ap pale konsa se pa la penn tankou Joel di ya pou yon moun perdi tan ak ou.


Non Sans Malice, w'ap divage kounyea, Bentlatay genyen estil pa'l mwen genyen estil pa mwen. E si wou gade byen w'a wè ke tandans politik nou pa menm nonpli.

Se pou w di bagay-la byen, se paske yo te genyen yon fòs ame ki pèmèt ke lwa ak konstitisyon lakay yo respekte ki vinn ba yo estabilite ekonomik ak sosyal ki pwal ogmante pwodiksyon nasyonal yo, ki pwal pèmèt ke tout bagay ap mache ak yon vitès de croisière, tankou edikasyon etc...

Epi rezon ki fè Joel paka reponn mwen se paske bwat pawòl li fini, tout kote li eseye pase mwen kwense'l. Filosofi nou bezwen fè pase se ke Tout moun koupab nan peyi-a eksepte Aristide & Co. Men mwen menm, zye m kale ase pou m wè se pa vre.

Se lè na va genyen konsyans ke se nou tout ki koupab se lè sa-a n'ap ka pale avè m, men zafè tout sektè se dyab nan peyi-a eksepte sektè lavalas la, mwen pa ka vale'l vre.
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Message  Thunder Dim 22 Juil 2007 - 19:08

Men wou menm wou pat la sou dezas Aristide-lan, wou paka aprann mwen anyen sou taktik politik misye.

Men ti yason mwen pa di w ou twop piti pou fè m leson moun ki ap politise fos piblik.ou pa konnen sa Duvalier te fè lè li tap rekrite ti peyisan pou fome gad Presidantyel nan zonn jeremi ya: li te fè Sanette balmir kanpe nan kasern la ak yon rigwaz epi chak non yo rele ke yo pral voye Nan palè ya sanette ba yo yon tikoput rigwaz di yo nou wè sa papa Doc fè pou nou se pa moun ki pa dim non mwen te la.

Si chak sa Aristide fè, wou toujou ap konpare'l ak Duvalier, Joel pap zanmi w ankò non (lol).

Ebyen Sans Malice, si se konsa wou wè Bagay yo, 7 Fevriye 1986 pat vo lapènn, poukisa nou te kouri dèyè makout yo la-a ?

Poukisa wou kont Duvalyeris k'ap fete, men w'ap aplodi Aristidis k'ap fete ? Duvalyeris yo genyen dwa pou yo panse ke : "Pye bèf pou pye bèf, y'ap pran'l kay pratik"

Epi zafè fizye-a pa valab pou yon sèl sektè non, yo ka jwenn nenpòt moun mouri nan Lari-a wi, sa nou konnen-an genyen lòt moun ki konnen'l tou.
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Message  Joel Dim 22 Juil 2007 - 23:04

Bon gen yon lòt ipotèz poukisa yo fann nan dèyè Gi Filip,ou byen poukisa bòs li yo ta ka retire l nan sikilasyon.

Randall Robinson pou moun ki pa konnen,se yon nonm ki gen anpil gwo zanmi nan Pati Demokrat lan,fèt parèt yon liv .

Non liv lan se HAITI,UNBROKEN AGONY.Moun ki deja achte liv lan di ke misye di ke Gi Filip vin yon anbarasman pou gouvènman ameriken an.
Misye di sa nan liv lan ,anvan sa k te pase Lendi pase an.

Eske mesye Bush se devan yo pran pou pwoteje tèt yo,paske yo konnen ki enfliyans RANDALL ROBINSON genyen,paske misye se konseye anpil nan kongrèsmann Demokrat yo.
Se jis yon kesyon ankò nou gen dwa poze!

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Message  Joel Lun 23 Juil 2007 - 17:53

http://www..democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/23/141241

Se pou wou Thunder.
Si m ta di sa RANDALL ROBINSON di nan yon entèvyou li bay Democracy Now jodi an ,ou ta di se fanatik mwen ye.

Kòm ou wè Kolonel WILKERSON te blije reponn.Wilkerson se te asistan COLIN POWELL pandan evènman 29 Fevriye yo.

Viv Salnav!RANDALL nan bounda GNBis

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Message  Sasaye Lun 30 Juil 2007 - 15:05

Analyse fort intéressante de la saga Guy Philippe:




Drugs and Politics in Haiti

HIP - The US Drug Enforcement Agency's recent attempt to hunt down former policeman, paramilitary commander and presidential candidate Guy Philippe on drug charges can be traced back to a recent arrest in the town of Gonaives, Haiti.

Haitian police and Argentinean units of the UN arrested Wilfort Ferdinand, alias Ti Wil; on May 26 after he gave a lengthy interview on local radio station Radio Gonaives FM. Although news of Ferdinand's arrest received scant attention in the international press it was one of the top stories throughout Haiti the following day. Much of the reporting in the Haitian press focused on the shared history of Wilfort Ferdinand and Guy Philippe in leading paramilitary forces that helped to oust the government of Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

In early February 2004, Wilfort Ferdinand along with Butteur Metayer, Winter Etienne and Dieujuste Jeanty, led armed gangs to attack police stations in the Artibonite region in a bid to oust Aristide's government. They left a bloody trail in their wake including the summary execution of Aristide supporters in the streets of several cities. Their group, called the Artibonite Resistance Front, later joined with the small but well-armed paramilitary groups that invaded Haiti from the Dominican Republic under the leadership of Guy Philippe and former death squad commander Jodel Chamblain. Ferdinand and the others quickly claimed allegiance to Philippe and publicly referred to him as their "commander-in-chief" in press interviews.

Ferdinand appointed himself Chief of Police of Gonaives and Winter Etienne became the Chief of the Gonaives Port Authority, ruling Haiti's fourth largest city as a personal fiefdom following the ouster of Aristide on Feb. 29, 2004. Philippe shared the podium with Ferdinand in late March 2004 when US-installed prime minister Gerard Latortue was flown into Gonaives by US military helicopters accompanied by Davi d Lee, Canadian ambassador to the Organization of American States. During a mock celebration of Aristide's ouster, Latortue publicly praised the men as misunderstood "freedom fighters" while ambassador Lee nodded his head in approval.

During Ferdinand's interview on Radio Gonaives FM and just before his arrest on May 26, he repeated assertions he had made days earlier on another radio station in the capital. He claimed that he was being pressured by "certain members of the business community" to take up arms against the current government of President Rene Preval. He explained that these were some of the same business leaders that had financed their paramilitary operations against Aristide and ended with "I would rather commit suicide than raise arms against this government."

The day following Ferdinand's arrest, May 27, Guy Philippe was interviewed on Haitian radio station Signal FM where he took the accusations a step further. Without answering the question of pressure to take up arms against Preval, Philippe began to name names of business and political leaders who backed the paramilitary insurgency against Aristide's government by providing arms, ammunition and logistical support.

Philippe's list included members of what was then touted as the "peaceful opposition" in Haiti that led demonstrations in the capital and other cities demanding Aristide's resignation. High on the list was Andy Apaid the leader of the civil society organization called the Group 184.

Apaid had been extensively quoted in the international media at the time saying their movement was non-violent and had no connections to the paramilitary bands. Claire Marshall wrote for the BBC on Feb. 13, 2004, "One of the most prominent opposition platform spokesmen, Andy Apaid, wanted to make it clear that he did not approve of violent methods." Marshall continued, "Andy Apaid invoked the names of Martin Luther K ing and Mahatma Gandhi, saying that he wanted to try and lead the opposition in a form of peaceful protest." Philippe's disclosures exposed Apaid's duplicity and served to discredit the "peaceful opposition" movement against Aristide. It also highlighted the uncritical and favorable reporting given to it by the BBC and other major news organizations.

Philippe's list also included the leadership of several political parties that were part of a United States Agency for International Development funded program in the 90's and who recently ran candidates in UN-sponsored elections in Haiti. Among others fingered by Guy Philippe were Evans Paul of KID/Alyans, former senator Dany Toussaint of the MODEREH, Serges Gilles of PANPRA (note: FUSION currently) and Himmler Rébu of the GREH.

On June 1, Haitian police spokesman Frantz Lerebours, announced that they had discovered a kilo of "a white substance resembling cocaine" after searching the residence of Wilfort Ferdinand. On July 16, DEA agents executed a dramatic raid against Philippe's residence in the southern coastal town of Les Cayes and he has been on the run ever since.

"It's a good question of whether Philippe will actually be arrested," responded a source close to UN intelligence operations in Haiti who asked not to be identified. "The other option is that he may end up in a third country in a quiet exile like Michel Francois," he said in reference to a former police chief who led a military coup against Aristide in 1991. Francois was indicted by a Miami Grand Jury in 1997 for drug trafficking and currently resides in Honduras after that country's Supreme Court refused to extradite him. The official continued, "It would take a complete change in current policy for him to be allowed to remain in Haiti without being arrested. But stranger things have happened."

See Also

The Dominion — Haiti: The Politics of Drugs June 26, 2007


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Real reason for Haiti raid
by John Yewell

Monterey County Herald - There were new suggestions this week that a raid 10 days ago by Haiti's police and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration may have been an attempt to silence one of the leaders of a 2004 coup that toppled Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide - a coup many believe was orchestrated by the United States.

Guy Philippe, the target of the raid, avoided capture and is now in hiding. He has since been heard on Haitian radio claiming his attempted arrest was for political reasons.

Between his alleged drug affiliations and human rights abuses, Philippe has few friends in the government of current Haitian President Rene Preval or in the United States. But according to a report this week by Kevin Pina, writing for the Haiti Information Project, there may be another explanation for the DEA grab.

According to Pina, on May 27, after the arrest of Wilfort Ferdinand, another coup participant, Philippe went on Haitian radio and "began to name names of business and political leaders who backed the paramilitary insurgency against Aristide's government by providing arms, ammunition and logistical support."

"High on (Philippe's) list," Pina continued, "was Andy Apaid, the leader of the civil society organization called the Group 184."

Seven weeks after Philippe's radio broadcast, the DEA went after him.

In July 2004, Salon reported that Group 184, along with a group called the Democratic Convergence, was supported by the International Republican Institute, dominated by Bush loyalists and funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, the U.S. Agency for International Development and conservative groups.

Aristide's supporters have long suspected American support in the overthrow of his democratically elected government. Now here is Philippe, a man they had vilified, pointing a finger that leads to the U.S. government.

Salon quotes Thayer Scott, then communications director for the IRI, saying that the "IRI played an advisory role in Group of 184's formation." Hardliners in Group 184, Salon reported, "tapped Guy Philippe, a U.S.-trained former Haitian police chief with a dubious human rights record," to lead a coup.

The IRI's liaison to the Haitian opposition was Stanley Lucas, who, according to the New York Times, was accused by U.S. Ambassador Dean Curran of undermining diplomatic efforts in Haiti. The IRI denies this.

"Stanley Lucas was not IRI's 'point man in Haiti,'" said Lisa Gates, IRI press secretary, in an e-mail to The Herald. "In fact, IRI was not operating in Haiti during the time in question."

That's not what the Bush administration was saying. During a Senate hearing on March 10, 2004, 10 days after Aristide's overthrow, Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., asked Roger Noriega, then assistant secretary of state for the Western Hemisphere, about a USAID grant to the IRI that specifically limited Lucas' activities.

"The approval of the new grant was conditioned on the IRI (Haiti) director, Stanley Lucas, being barred from participating in this program for a period of time because the U.S. ambassador in Haiti had evidence that he was undermining U.S. efforts," according to Salon. "Is that not true as well?" Dodd asked Noriega.

"Yes, sir," Noriega said.

"Is Stanley Lucas still involved?" asked Dodd.

"As far as I know, he is still part of the program," Noriega replied.

The connection between Lucas and Philippe is less clear. Philippe says they are old friends, and the Times suggests there is circumstantial evidence the two worked together. The IRI says the USAID investigated their alleged connection in 2004 and found "no evidence."

But USAID, which has international skeletons in its own closet, shares political sympathies with the IRI. Claiming it exonerates the IRI is a little like Bush's 2000 election being certified by Katherine Harris, who was Florida's secretary of state at the same time as she served as the co-chairwoman of Bush's Florida campaign.

Without question, Philippe and Lucas shared contacts among Aristide's opponents, and Andy Apaid may have been the fulcrum. Within 24 hours of Apaid rejecting a political compromise with Aristide, according to Salon, Philippe launched his coup, which ended with the U.S. hustling Aristide out of the country against his will.

And if Pina is right, Aristide's opponents, including the IRI, might be plenty nervous with a talkative Philippe on the run.

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This commentary first appeared in the Monterey County Herald July 26, 2007

article: http://www.montereyherald.com/johnyewell/ci_6466968?nclick_check=1

John Yewell is The Herald's night city editor.
His column runs Thursdays. He can be reached at jyewell@montereyherald.com.


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Fok genyen yon bal chat yon jou pou rat bouke mache sou moun an ayiti .Ke se rat blan ke rat nwa yo tout dwe pou yo rantre nan trou tankou Guy si yo konprann pou yo fè menm dezod ki te pase an fevriye 2004 .moun bouke ak braiganday saa si Ti Will di genyen komersan ki ap mete presyon sou li poul pran zam kont yon lot gouvenman demokratik anko e byen fok li di ki kalite komersan yo ye si se etranje se pou yo mande yo pou yo bay peyi ya.Lè ti vagabon fè krim isit o Zeta Zuni yo refoule kote yo te soti e byen si genyen delankan etranje an ayiti ki pa vle kite peyi ya genyen yon souf se pou Preval ak Alexis mande yo de ki prevyen.Tonnè boule m genyen de lè se Francois Duvalier mwen sonje.yon moun met dim mwen pou diktati mwen pou milis.;mwen pa pou diktatè vinn rich nan volè lajan leta non ,men tonnè kraze m tankou yon moun te di fok se yon gouvèman ki for ki pou mete disiplinn nan serten moun an ayiti.Si se pa sa zafè chez misikal la pap janm fini.Nanpren moun ki responsab ki dwe kite oken etranje mele ak politisyen soufrisken vinn kraze peyi ya ,li lè pou K-plim chache travay pou l fè.si danny Toussaint anmegde peyi ak tout Serge Gilles se pou la jisitis fè travay li pase nan tout peyi depi yon moun vle destabilize peyi ya se yon krim de ot trayison sa rele.Moun fout bouke ak grimas sa yo.Mwen fout deja dil si se yon lot francois Duvalier ki set fwa si mete peyi nan ray pwogrè ke nou beswen e byen dim pou m mete rad ble m sou mwen ak foula rouj mwen nan kou m pou m desann ayiti.Depi se pou retire wont la nan figi tout ayisyen ke li ap travay se pa pou anrichi tet li ke l fout a vi se pa bagay ki gade m . mwen pa beswen ni presidan ,ni Senate ni anyen se peyi ya mwen vle ki soti nan trou saa kote politisyen mete l jodya .Se opinyon pam sak pa kontan anbake.
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Se bagay sa a,yon moun paka fouti konprann pou nèg ap pran lajan nan men peyi etranje,pou destabilize peyi yo.

Tankou amiral STANSFIELD TURNER te di nan yon show sou Radyo Piblik "Pa gen sekrè ankò"

Turner se te direktè CIA sou administrasyon CARTER an.
Misye te di sa an 1990,e bagay sa a gen 10 fwa plis validite ak emfòmasyon altènativ ki gen jounen jodi an.

Si n ap pran lajan ,pran lajan nan men franse,paske jounalis franse yo toujou ap kache zak malpwòp ke gouvènman yo fè nan peyi etranje;men se pa jounalis ameriken.
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Men eske ou konfime ke yo arete Guy vre paske mwen konnen yon kalite trou nan morn La gonav si guy kache nan trou sa yo se anpil tan anvan yap jwen li wi.Sil ka ravitaye l pou l manje e byen pitit mwen li ap bay anpil traka wi.

Se koulyè ya vre nou pral wè si li genyen kwiy tankou anpil moun di ya paske se pa sel ti polisye ak yon colt 38 selman ke li te touye yo ki nan dengonn li koulyè ya.Nap gade si li ap mouri tankou Che ou byen 13 ero jeremie yo .
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Wou paka di ke wou pa pou diktatè k'ap vòlè lajan leta epi pou w sipòte Fanmi Lavalas, Lavalas pa genyen anyen ladann apa de koripsyon ak represyon politik, se yon ti gwoup ki pa diferan de vòlè ki te pase deja yo, pou'm pa di pi mal. Lè revolisyon pou pèp ki nan mizè-a ap fèt nan peyi-a, m'ap apiye'l tèt kale, m'ap menm mete rad ble pa m ak foula wouj mwen tou.

Men depi se revolisyon pou pòch malendren, malpouwont k'ap bafwe moun ap pawòl dous, sanzave k'ap lolo pèp-la, k'ap sèvi ak mizè tout yon pèp pou regle koze milyon yo ak pa "compadre" yo, k'ap regle koze ti zo pou ti sousou k'ap achète figi yo.

Sa k'ap mete mo "pèp" nan pwent djòl yo vire tounen, epi aksyon yo menm se pou pòch yo ak pouvwa yo.

Ebyen diktatè sa yo, se pa kite yo sove, se ba yo bon kout kòd, ke mawoule mare, nan tout kakòn pye yo dapre lalwa, e si lajistis-la kowonpi, pa genyen jij ki genyen GNB yo pou poze kesyon ak mennen ankèt, ebyen se pou yo fè yo kouri oubyen se pou yo bwote yo tankou yon pakèt rad sal ke yo pwale lage nan panye.

Chak moun genyen opinyon pa yo , mwen menm sa se pa m. Nanpren tete lang ap magouyè san koutya ki konprann ke peyi-a se byen manman yo ak papa yo mouri kite pou yo.

Mwen repete'l ankò, fòk lajistis fè travay li dabò, si li pa kapab, ebyen dechoukay-la poko fini. moun ki pa genyen ti figi, sa ki pa kraponnen pou ti milis k'ap touche chèk zonbi nan biwo leta, se jan de moun sa yo ke nou bezwen, si se pa saaaaaaa, ...ebyen mwen repete'l ankò : dechoukay-la poko fini.
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Yon lòt bagay...

Ti nèg toujou ap plenyen pou "destabilizasyon". Tankou mwen ta di w se rebelyon 2004-la ki "destabilize" peyi-a. epoutan depi apre koudeta elektoral 2000-lan peyi-a te deja destabilize.
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mwen pa nan sipote fanmi lavalas non, mwen ap sipote kan pep saa ki ap soufri depi 2 syek.Si genyen kek malpouwont, bluffer ,soufrisken ki ap pran poz se zafè pep yap defann , ki ap di se yon briganday pou yon presidan ap touche tout kob saa nan yon peyi pov konsa epi ki ap vole lajan peyi ya,ou byen ki nan tout move zafè ke se te papa m ou byen pitit mwen se pou la jisitis fè yo rann lajan leta ke yo volè ya.Mwen pa nan tolere oken delenkan ,mwen deja di w saa ;ke li ak vest , ak soutann ,ak blouz ,ou ak iniform depi se volè leta se mete menot nan ponyet yo.Mwen pa beswen konnen si li rele Aristide, Jean Claude , Latorti , ou byen nenpot ki. pase si yon moun an ayiti wap touche tout lajan saa epi wap volè lajan trezor peyi ya pou anpeche ti moun an ayiti jwen lekol yon vè let pou yo bwè nan lekol ,pou anpeche moun ki ap mouri nan morn yo ak maladi san yo pa jwen swen doktè e byen ou merite pann sou chan de mars pou trase yon ekszanp.

Ki kou deta 2000 wap pale la ;la nou pa ka dako si w konnen ou pa genyen chans pou genyen yon elektyon epi ou pa patisipe pou sabote l se sak rele kou deta elektoral la.Si nou paka reyini 100 moun anba yon poto elektrik se pa personn ki responsab saa se tet nou pou nou blame.Genyen yon konsey elektoral nan peyi ya se pa Presidan an ki chef li se pou chak ayisyen pran responsabilite yo. si genyen magouy nan yon elektyon se menm lè ke magouy la ap fet pou rele la press vinn konstate.se pa depi nou perdi pou nou leve koken di eleksyon pat bon.
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Wou paka di ke wou pa pou diktatè k'ap vòlè lajan leta epi pou w sipòte Fanmi Lavalas, Lavalas pa genyen anyen ladann apa de koripsyon ak represyon politik, se yon ti gwoup ki pa diferan de vòlè ki te pase deja yo, pou'm pa di pi mal.


Ti nèg toujou ap plenyen pou "destabilizasyon". Tankou mwen ta di w se rebelyon 2004-la ki "destabilize" peyi-a. epoutan depi apre koudeta elektoral 2000-lan peyi-a te deja destabilize.

Mesye,
Se pa konsa n'ap ranje pwoblèm Ayiti: Youn ap joure, voye pwent bay lot.

Tout moun sou sit la konnen lan ki kan politik chak patisipan ye.

Forom nan rekonèt e aksepte diferans opinyon politik, men voye roch pa ladan'n.

Tanpri kite tout moun bay opinyon yo jan yo wè bagay yo epi aksepte ke yo gen dwa eksprime yo, mem si wou pa dako.

Men pa di yon nèg li pa gen dwa di sa'l di a.

Se pou nou toujou sonje ki sijè nap diskite epi fè analiz pou wè ak ki lide n'ap vini.

Paske se pou nou met tèt nou ansanm pou ranje Ayiti.
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Sasaye,

Mwen respekte Sans Malice antan ke gran moun ki genyen anpil ane anplis mwen, antan ke patisipan e antan ke Ayisyen. Men lè la'p pale sa li pa konnen, fòk mwen kanpe'l sou wout-li. Mwen pa janm di pou li pa bay opinyon'l, mwen pa joure'l, men sèlman mwen genyen dwa pou'm di ke mwen pa dakò e di poukisa.

Bon! ...mwen ap fèmen parantèz la pou moman sa-a, men m'ap tounen ak li nan yon lòt topik nan fowòm lib lan. Paske wou genyen rezon nan sans sa-a, fòk nou evite ke sijè yo devye twòp ...An nou retounen nan patat nou.

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Real reason for Haiti raid
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Article Last Updated: 07/26/2007 01:26:51 AM PDT
There were new suggestions this week that a raid 10 days ago by Haitian police and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration may have been an attempt to silence one of the leaders of a 2004 coup that toppled Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide — a coup many believe was orchestrated by the United States.
Guy Philippe, the target of the raid, avoided capture and is now in hiding. He has since been heard on Haitian radio claiming his attempted arrest was for political reasons.
Between his alleged drug affiliations and human rights abuses, Philippe has few friends in the government of current Haitian President Rene Preval or in the United States. But according to a report this week by Kevin Pina, writing for the Haiti Information Project, there may be another explanation for the DEA grab.
According to Pina, on May 27, after the arrest of Wilfort Ferdinand, another coup participant, Philippe went on Haitian radio and "began to name names of business and political leaders who backed the paramilitary insurgency against Aristide's government by providing arms, ammunition and logistical support."
"High on (Philippe's) list," Pina continued, "was Andy Apaid, the leader of the civil society organization called the Group 184."
Seven weeks after Philippe's radio broadcast, the DEA went after him.
In July 2004, Salon reported that Group 184, along with a group called the Democratic Convergence, was supported by the International Republican Institute, dominated
by Bush loyalists and funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, the U.S. Agency for International Development and conservative groups.
Aristide's supporters have long suspected American support in the overthrow of his democratically elected government. Now here is Philippe, a man they had vilified, pointing a finger that leads to the U.S. government.
Salon quotes Thayer Scott, then communications director for the IRI, saying that the "IRI played an advisory role in Group of 184's formation." Hardliners in Group 184, Salon reported, "tapped Guy Philippe, a U.S.-trained former Haitian police chief with a dubious human rights record," to lead a coup.
The IRI's liaison to the Haitian opposition was Stanley Lucas, who, according to the New York Times, was accused by U.S. Ambassador Dean Curran of undermining diplomatic efforts in Haiti. The IRI denies this.
"Stanley Lucas was not IRI's 'point man in Haiti,'" said Lisa Gates, IRI press secretary, in an e-mail to The Herald. "In fact, IRI was not operating in Haiti during the time in question."
That's not what the Bush administration was saying. During a Senate hearing on March 10, 2004, 10 days after Aristide's overthrow, Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., asked Roger Noriega, then assistant secretary of state for the Western Hemisphere, about a USAID grant to the IRI that specifically limited Lucas' activities.
"The approval of the new grant was conditioned on the IRI (Haiti) director, Stanley Lucas, being barred from participating in this program for a period of time because the U.S. ambassador in Haiti had evidence that he was undermining U.S. efforts," according to Salon. "Is that not true as well?" Dodd asked Noriega.
"Yes, sir," Noriega said.
"Is Stanley Lucas still involved?" asked Dodd.
"As far as I know, he is still part of the program," Noriega replied.
The connection between Lucas and Philippe is less clear. Philippe says they are old friends, and the Times suggests there is circumstantial evidence the two worked together. The IRI says the USAID investigated their alleged connection in 2004 and found "no evidence."
But USAID, which has international skeletons in its own closet, shares political sympathies with the IRI. Claiming it exonerates the IRI is a little like Bush's 2000 election being certified by Katherine Harris, who was Florida's secretary of state at the same time as she served as the co-chairwoman of Bush's Florida campaign.
Without question, Philippe and Lucas shared contacts among Aristide's opponents, and Andy Apaid may have been the fulcrum. Within 24 hours of Apaid rejecting a political compromise with Aristide, according to Salon, Philippe launched his coup, which ended with the U.S. hustling Aristide out of the country against his will.
And if Pina is right, Aristide's opponents, including the IRI, might be plenty nervous with a talkative Philippe on the run.

John Yewell is The Herald's night city editor. His column runs Thursdays. He can be reached at jyewell@montereyherald.com.

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