Obama opte la Vice-presidence, Clinton veut Bill Richardson

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Le fait pour le senateur d'Illionois Barack Obama, d'eviter d'attaquer sa rivale democrate sen. Hillary Clinton montre a claire son intention de ne pas trop enbarasser et concentrer les debats sur la Seneteur, esperant de s'allier sur un ticket HILLARY/OBAMA.

Comme notre ami San Malice m'a retorque une fois, le prejuge des Red necks americains est tres loin de terminer. Dans ce sens, le potentiel Candidat Obama est piege. L'hesitation de Obama dans le dernier debat sur la question de Licence au illegaux, traduit son soutient a la Senateur de NY, il se sacrifie pour soutenir sa coequippiere.

Mais le camp Clinton veut a tout prix se debarasser d' Obama qui a une potentialite electorale qu'on ne peut pas negliger, Ils formentent deja des scandales sur Obama mais se gardent de ne pas encore les reveler. Sans doute apres une victoire a IOWA, NH, SC on saura de quoi etait ce scandale, qui d'un coup enlevera toute possibilite de choisir Obama comme vice-president.

Entre temps, le camp Clinton est entrain d'auditionner secretement Bill Rcichardson pour etre le prochain vice-president. ce n'est pas sans raison qu'on a accorde la plus part du temps du dernier debat a Richarson, dans l'objectif de ne pas heurter Clinton et aussi d'attirer les regards sur lui.

Quant a le dernier debat, sans discussion Clinton l'a remporte mais pas sans la complicite de CNN et Blitzer, le camp de Clinton avait deja sollicite a ce que le debat ne soit pas centre sur Clinton, le fait aussi que le Gouverneur de NY avait annule son plan de donner un permis de conduire un jour avant le debat, avait libere Clinton a repondre par un grand NON.

Politik (rasis) pa gen jwet vre, Obama ap pedi ni sak, ni pay.

Toule la ville en parle:
Obama et Bloomberg en dejeuner a E 50 Street. Preparent-ils un ticket?

En outre, Obama a enfin passer le rouleau compresseur.

1- Obama mene dans les sondages a IOWA par .4 % en moyenne sur 5 sondages.

2- Sen. Clinton n'a que 7 points d'avance maintenant a New Hampshire.

3-Dans le Inrate Market Sen Clinton en baisse, Senateur Obama a la hausse.

4- South Carolina, Senateur Clinton passea seulement 12 points d'avance.

Match la red!!!!

Le message passe aussi bien en South est

Right on ,brother.In this important election the color or sex of a candidate can not be the determining factor.I think Senator Obama will be a good President if he were elected ,but as you said if John kerry were too liberal for the red states how will Obama win these states with his background?maybe Alex and Keen see something that escapes our mind; we will see if the old men of this forum were right.

In politic one has to be pragmatic and realist.Mrs Clinton ,in my opinion ,will be a very good president for women,the poors and minorities.I think even Laura Bush and her twins should vote for Mrs. Clinton if logic were their guideline.I do not exopect Barbara Bush to vote for mrs. Clinton,but any progressive women should vote for Mrs. Clinton.As for us blacks, a vote for Mrs Clinton is a vote for our children to stay out of jail to have the trainning necessary to be able to compete for good paying jobs as electricians, computer science tehcnicians, carpenters,bricklayers ,plumbers ,auto mechanics. doctors, lawyers ,accountants, bankers, engineers. etc.I wish Mrs Clinton would choose Andre Agassi as Secretary of Education. We need change in the world ;too many human beings are suffering needlessly.Let us vote for changes and progress.No more politic as usual.

Why this compassionate and charitable people are so disliked in the world?It is not because of our freedom and prosperity ,for why the Canadians ,the Swedish ,the Dutch, the scandinivian people are not also hated ?The people of the United states are the most generous people in the world ,why then the prestige of this great country is so low right now?it is because of these morons who do not understand that people all over the world aspire fot the same things :freedom ,prosperity and the right to choose their own way to live.You can not oppress people and think they should like you.Why can we get along right now with the Russians and the chinese and we can not get along with certain arabs contries?Why we allow the pakistans and the indians to have nuclear arms and the arabs can not even buildt a nuclear eletrical plant; Why did it take 7 years for Georges bush to understand the importance of the Israelis -Palestinians conflicts in the mind of youg arabs?We need to change our foreign policy;Senator Georges Mitchell of New Hampshire should be a candidate for Secretary of States in the new Clinton administration.As for Vice President Albert Gore ,I do not know what role he will play ,but he should be the new tsar for energy and environment matters in the world,not only in the united States .The man deserves this title in my book.

Alex ;

Thank you my brother.This is what I have been saying since last year.This is the reason why that President Carter, a man of great integrity,has been begging Vice president Albert Gore to run for the presidency.I agree 100% with the author of this article.If the democrats were to loose this election,they should not blame the american people but themselves.There is doubt that Mrs Clinton could beat Rudolph Giullianni,but with Al gore for president .even with Hilary Clinton as Vice president or Senator Obama the republicans would have no chance ,but as he said the left is ignoring Albert gore.

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The breakthrough nature of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential candidacy has a powerful appeal for many women — especially, perhaps, among the more liberal women who participate in Democratic primaries and caucuses. But even as he pursues a first of his own — a black president — Mr. Obama, like the rest of the field, has little choice but to compete for women’s votes; 54 percent of Democratic caucusgoers in Iowa four years ago were women, as were 54 percent of Democratic primary voters in New Hampshire.
Around the country, but especially in the early voting states, many

Tout Moun komanse tranble, Obama pase vites siperye a.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/opinion/02rich.html?ref=opinion

Yè mwen resevwa 2008 Democratic Presidential Poll kote party ya ap mande manb yo ki moun yo ta renmen genyen nominatyon an,mwen chwasi Albert Gore paske mwen toujou genyen espwa apre erè kolosal saa ke Bill Clinton fè nan semenn lan Al Gore ap blije pran desisyon pou li sove pati.

Ke se dwat la ke se goch la yo tout ap pale de obama sesi obama se la men tann jou elektyon na wè si yonn ap vote pou Obama. genyen moun ki ka di mwen trò pesimis ,mwen pa pesimis non ,mwen se yon moun ki ap etidye politik ameriken yan depi mwen rantre nan peyi ya.Mwen wè anpil kandida BLAN ki genyen menm filosofi politik liberal ak Obama ki paret tou fre sou senn lan epi yo fini mal nan elektyon.Se Bill clinton selman kom yon santris kite fè 2 manda.Yo touye John kennnedy, yo touye Robert kennedy ,yo fè konplo pou yonn nan pi gwo chef deta ameriken Jimmy carter pa pase 2 manda .Dukakis kom pitit imigran grek pat menm asiste final epi se pitit yon imigran afriken ki pral bat Mitt Romney ou byen Rudolphe Giuliani pandan ke eta zuni nan la gè,mezanmi banm vanm pou mwen al la gonav tande.

LOL.

Antouka se you jou pou sa chanje. E menm si OBAMA pa ta jwenn nominasyon an, li se sel moun nan minorite-a, ki pwoupe gabari sa-a, li se sel moun ki pa ap preche ras, men dosye.

An palan de sa, Hilary deraye net wi.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/02/AR2007120202194.html?hpid=topnews

Did anybody see Goeges Bush's press conference this morning?This is sad.The man is obsessed with Iran now.Despite the report of the intelligence services in regard to Iran's ability to build a nuclear bomb,an acitivity that was abandonned since 2003 ,today the President of the United States with his usual "candor" said: "iran is still a treat to civilisation""it will be sad for the west to know one day that Iran has a nuclear bonb."The president of the United Sates must be really depressed. What about The Russian's arsenal, The chinese, the French, the British, the Indians , the israelis , the Pakistans?When does he plan to invade these countries?Is Iran a greater threat to the world than Russia?

I am wondering what would Thurgod Marshall think of the son if he were still alive .I remember his comment about the father.This is unbelievable.The ex CIA agent that wrote the book :In search of the enemies"is right on the money. I would say this is a tactic of the President to scare the hell out of the american people in order to facilitate the election of a republican ,but does Georges Bush have the intelligence to think of such a plot?Is Karl Rowe still the brain of the Republicain war tactic that caused the invasion of Iraq where some 2 mlion iraquis leave their country to seek refuge in Syria and Jordan ?Watching a priest in iraq on 60 minutes Sunday night when the reporter asked him to compare the situation in Iraq today with the situation during the reign of Saddham hussein;he said:There is no comparison;the christians were better off during Saddham's regime ;is he a fool or an idiot?

Is it in this ambiance that some people think that Senator Obamma or Senator Clinton has a chance to win the presidency of the United Sates?Wait next year ,maybe a bridge somewhere will collapse and The Iranian President will be responsible for it,and there will be another invasion of an arab country .Then the american people will vote for Senator Mac cain, or Mitt Romney,and the war tactic will once again put a man with little intelligence in the White house.

In the meantime the economy will continue to deteriorate ;the environnment will be the greatest menace to civilisation ; diseases such as aids,malaria and tuberculosis will ravage the popualtion of certain countries in africa and in Latin America.The golf states will still be a ravaged zone and the elderly will still be cutting their food budget in order to pay for their medecines;Crimes will prevent them from enjoying their old days; we will still be building prisons instead of vocational schools for our young people.We will be graduating illiterates in our public high schools while the republicans are preparing for wars .

yet clinton voted along with republicans to brand the revolutionary guard a terrorist organization, the first step in starting another disastrous war with another muslim country.
clinton is so desperate that she is been negative in all her comments concerning her democratic opponents.
clinton never really learned. now, the cia claims that there was no activity of nuclear weaponization in iran since 2003.
obama has had the insight to be absent for the vote, a better way to avoid a fall-out on either side of the issue!!!

Definitely the Clinton's Campaign is not no track anymore.
She has critisized Obama, for saying living abroad give him good judgement over foreign policies. She said: At 10 y/o
what experience can he get to make decision.
Now she targets Obama for something Obama wrote
when in was in kindergarten "I want to be President

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2007/12/on_clintons_attacks.html

Rodlam another reason to support Obama, now things get beyong campaign but hatred.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/davidcorn/2007/12/hillary-on-obama-fear-and-hatr.html

It's not all San Malis

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2007/12/03/hillary_2700_s-idea-of-fun.aspx

I hope the primaries next month will k.O. one fo them, for it will be really a disaster for the democratic party to loose the next election because Senator Clinton and Obama can not find a modus vivendi to campaign without criticisizing each other.

Why can't they talk about the issues that concerned the people.Propose solutions to real problems such as health care,the environment, education ,energy ,the economy etc.I am not interested in what Obama or Mrs clinton did or didn't do.What interests me is what they can do to bring our young men and women back home, how they plan to reduce the budget deficit.how they plan to reduce the prison popualtion by building more vocational schools for our young men and women so they can get access to good paying jobs without selling drugs.How can we reduce the prices of medecines for the poor. When will everybody have medical insurance ,long term care facilites for the old folks who can not afford the private long term facilities.Mitt Rooney is not attacking Senator Mac Cain and Rudolph Giulianni constantly on television ;he is attacking Hilary Clinton because he knows very well that Senator Obama is his weaker opponent .Thus Mrs Clinton and Senator Obama better sign a cease fire as soon as possible ,otherwise a republican will be in the white house after Georges Bush.

Even if Obama wanted to sign that cease fire San Malis, The Clintons would never sign it. Because their attacks are above campagaign but the hatred for the Illinois Senator. As you used to say San Malis, those red necks are ready any thing to put you down especially in you are in the minority, even if they are in the same party with you, they want to tear you apart. They just want to destroy Obama but the guy is just fully loaded with positivity.

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2007/12/03/hillary_2700_s-idea-of-fun.aspx

Come on Alex ;let's not blow this little remark out of proportion.to say that the attack on the Illinois Seantor is due to pure hatred from the Hilary's camp is an exaggeration.

I am not discounting racism is american politics ,but let us be real; Hilary Clinton is not a racist.It is regrettable that the candiates for the democratic party nomination,particularly the front runners do not concentrate more on issues that are relevant to the well being of the citizenry .I would rather appreciate a debate that concentrate on real problems instead of a contest of personalities.

Tell me what you're going to do to solve our problems instead of telling me what Obama said in kindergaten.She better changes her tactics fast because she is under a magnify lens.It is do or die;she has to think twice before degrading the Illinois Senator.She must be careful not to offend the afro americans and other minorities by attacking Senator Obama's origin and personality.As they said: if she has to hit a lightweight as Senator obama under the belt ;how will she be able to stand in the ring with the heavyweights of the republican party?Rudolph Giulliani and Mitt Romney are not going to spare mrs Clinton for the mistakes she made during her tenure in the Senate.Her vote for the war and her denunciation of it when things went wrong because of the lie will be exaggerated.If she alienates the blacks and the minorities ,then she is cooked for the republican's feast next November.

Sam Malis,
Je n'ai pas accuse personnellement la senateur de NY d'etre raciste. C'est pourquoi que je donne les liens des journaux. Je ne suis pas un blogger ou un columnist.

Sam Malis,
Je n'ai pas accuse personnellement la senateur de NY d'etre raciste. C'est pourquoi que je donne les liens des journaux. Je ne suis pas un blogger ou un columnist.

Mes excuses ;mes reproches ne s'adressaient pas à vous personnellement ,mais à tous ceux qui insinuent une telle imbécilité reside chez les Clinton.Meme les afro americains reconnaissent Bill Clinton est le President le plus proche des minorités.

je ne suis pas anti Obama ;je serai heureux s'il gagne les elections en Novembre prochain ,mais j'ai des doutes sur son eligibilité.C'est tout.

No worries Rod, I have just flagged it.

Now talking about electability, do you think Clinton is the one? I don't even doubt it, I am just sure she is not the one.

When we consider the heavy load of charges that will uproar against the NY Senator, and there will be no issue for her to escape.

http://nationaljournal.com/taylor.htm

Given the precedents of the ecletoral process in the United States,If I were a gambler I would put my money on Hilary anytime anywhere.Seriously,without any prejiduce who is more electable or eligible Hilary or Obama?That does not mean she would be a better president for the minorities than Senator Obama if she is elected.I might change my mind after the primaries .but for the moment I still maintain that Hilary is more electable than Senator obama.As I said before my choice for the nomination is Albert Gore,but unfortunately he does not want to betray the Clintons.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/12/12/2007-12-12_bill_clinton_to_aid_hillarys_campaign.html

I like Obama's answer on the question of electability.It would be a tragedy for the democratic party to loose this election after Georges bush 's debacles in foreign and domestic policies.

Yep! But Hillary is feeling the heat now, she fading away in the polls.
Now she is plotting fancy stuff against Obama, that is where she will really knock her face.

Let's wait for tonight debate, I know she will mudslide Obama and try to raise dirt on him such past drug use, kindergarten, campaign funding ect.

But all that are desparated moves. She is no longer the inevitable that some came to believe though.

At what time is the debate and on what channel?

Sorry for not answering on time Rodham, it was on the IOWA public TV
relayed on CNN.

That is fine ;I do not think I missed anything important.The same B.S.The only american politician who is worth my time is Albert Gore.If I had my way the election should be between Ron Paul ,the republican and Albert Gore,the democrat.These are the two politicans, in my opinion, who are worth the attention of the american people.

A vrai dire San Malis, lorsque je fais une exegeses du refus de Al Gore de se presenter, je pense qu'il a raison. Pourquoi?

Apres avoir recu le prix nobel de la paix, je ne pense pas qu'il pourra diriger la premiere puissance mondiale de facon effective. Ce prix etiole si je peux dire toutes ses chances.

Etant un leareat de la paix, cela fait de lui un "SAGE" et en aucun cas l'office ovale n'est pas fait pour les sages. Un Al Gore a la maison blanche sera empetré et ne pourra pas prendre les decisions qu'il faut pour garder la premiere puissance en vie.

D'ou je pense qu'il ne veut pas un president pentin, c'est pourquoi qu'il ne se presente pas.